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    Re: Sasuke is one of the most selfless people.

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackBison View Post
    If the uchiha massacre was in fact a truly just act why keep secrets about it from the people. The told a lie that was Itachi Uchiha, on his on accord massacred his fellow clansmen for no reason. This is their lie. They needed to hide the fact that it was an order to kill the uchiha clan. They created multiple lies to hid any suspicions on this event, since if people figured out that it the masscre was ordered then they would want to find out everything including why the uchiha revolted. This would expose konoha and the high ups don't want this.

    The uchiha clan chose to give hashirama the seat of hokage in order to preserve peace between the two clans that decided on a peace treaty. This is why madara got pissed because his own clan betrayed him in his mind. The events dealing with the uchiha unjust treatment began during the reign of the second hokage. Second hokage made the uchicha the police force aka the dogs of the senju. They were pushed to the far ends ok konoha away from everyone else. Yes, they were mistreated and this caused them to revolt.

    Like I said in my previous post Itachi convinced the council not to speak a word about the truth. Itachi wanted to keep the Uchiha name clean Hiruzen being the peace maker he is agreed to it along with the other elders. Danzo however he treatened that he'd expose secrets about the village to other countries if he spoke about it to and if he tried to hurt Sasuke. So based on what i've gathered it was Itachi who wanted to keep the secret NOT Konoha. Sasuke however is going aganist everything because believe it or not Itachi is the one who is trying to keep the Uchiha's good name he wants Sasuke to revive his clan and start a new begining, Sasuke is ruining all of the sacrifices he made for the Uchiha clan due to his own SELFISH desires of wanting to justify a clan that has brought everything on themselves.



    Again the only thing I see about them getting mistreated is them being in the back of the village which wasn't that bad tbh. If you think being in the back of the village is bad enough where you want to commit a war on Konoha knowing that you have children and a family to think about than you have some issues?
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke is one of the most selfless people.

    Sasuke is one of my top favourite characters, but he is a bit selfish to be honest. The revenge he wants to take may seem noble, but considering Itachi doesn't wish him to go through with it, yet Sasuke persists in wanting to have revenge, makes him seem selfish. I know why he wants to take revenge - he wants to avenge his brother because he loves him so much, but he would have been less selfish if he had accepted Itachi's wishes to not avenge him.

    Sasuke isn't perfect, he can be selfish at times and that's one of his flaws. One can try to excuse his want for revenge because the love he had for his clan and his brother, but if one considers the fact that his father was okay with Itachi killing them and in return Itachi telling him that he didn't need to be avenged, that he wanted for Sasuke to be the hero in Konoha, then his need for revenge takes on a selfish undertone.
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke is one of the most selfless people.

    Initially, Sasuke was selfless while still in Konoha. The way he protected his friends regardless of his own life proves this.
    However, when he chose to leave the village and begin his quest for revenge, he became one of the most selfish people in the manga. If you want someone that was truly selfless look at Itachi. Sasuke doesn't even come close.
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    Re: Sasuke is one of the most selfless people.

    Quote Originally Posted by know it all View Post
    You're kidding. You don't know the definition of selfish. If he was selfless, he would have worked to protect the village, just like his SELFLESS brother
    ummm itachi was selfish, he tormented his brother and keep him in the dark for what 10 years before he told him the truth and on top of that doesn't even try to take responsibility for sasuke he just pushes him of to naruto. smh at how you basers give itachi a free pass but crucify sasuke
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke is one of the most selfless people.

    Quote Originally Posted by shanay View Post
    Initially, Sasuke was selfless while still in Konoha. The way he protected his friends regardless of his own life proves this.
    However, when he chose to leave the village and begin his quest for revenge, he became one of the most selfish people in the manga. If you want someone that was truly selfless look at Itachi. Sasuke doesn't even come close.
    You're just being a typical fanboy now
    itachi was still selfish just less then sasuke, itachi isn't a saint so don't make him out to be one.
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke is one of the most selfless people.

    He selfishly left Konoha leaving behind all of his friends who loved him dearly. He selfishly badly wounded Karin just so he could get revenge on Danzo. He has done many selfish things.

    you could say It is somewhat selfless for him to dedicate his life to getting revenge for his clan, but you can also say its selfish because he has hurt many people on his path towards revenge. I wouldn't say he is a completely selfless character.
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke is one of the most selfless people.

    I think he is both selfless and selfish.
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke is one of the most selfless people.

    Quote Originally Posted by Great Sage of Uchiha View Post
    itachi was still selfish just less then sasuke, itachi isn't a saint so don't make him out to be one.
    Sigh. I never even used the word saint so I'm not making him out to be one. Itachi did what was best for the village, not for himself or for his clan. How is that not selfless? And everything he did to Sasuke was done for a reason. Itachi always had a bigger plan in mind
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke is one of the most selfless people.

    yeahhhh i never saw him spending his money treating the others some ramen
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke is one of the most selfless people.

    Quote Originally Posted by iSpeak the Truth View Post
    Yes, revenge has twisted him, corrupted his thinking. To him, the slaughter of Konoha is the purification of the Uchiha. The severing of the bond of hatred and distrust between his Clan and the Village.

    The life of his Brother and his Parents outweigh the Village's. That's how he truly feels. He puts his family above everything else! Most people who love their families selflessly do.
    Very true it is selfless; however, the fsct that his judgement is corrupted ruins any true sense of selflessness.

    The best way to honor his clan and the most selfless way to do it would have been to give up after learning about Itachi, or after killing Danzo. As it would have been him sacrificing his desire to avenge his clan in order to positively reinforce the lives of his old friends in Konoha as well as keep the honor of the Uchiha name from being tainted further (in fact had he returned with Itachi's death, he would have brought great honor to the Uchiha name). Instead he gives in to his want for vengance.
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke is one of the most selfless people.

    Kill the Konoha Elders and the other individuals responsible for the Uchiha Massacre - fine, I can see why he would have the motivation to do that

    But to set out to destroy everyone in Konoha as part of his revenge - he's kind of taking it too far

    But it's interesting. It's almost as if he's forgotten the bit about "restoring my clan"
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke is one of the most selfless people.

    Quote Originally Posted by suzano View Post
    that isn't selfish if you think about it he is doing all that out of love for his family and brother
    Current chapter showed alot. He is quite jealous of Naruto which could be a big reason why he hates Konoha. How well do we know him? Is he still doing it for his brother (who clearly doesn't want that) or is he just mad because he is struggeling to keep up with his friend?

    I hope Kishi will let both Naruto and Sasuke break through this silly Uchiha bad Uzumaki good cycle and let them go their own way.
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke is one of the most selfless people.

    "iSpeak the Shit" strikes again with more fail.

     
         

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    Re: Sasuke is one of the most selfless people.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sasunarufan13 View Post
    Sasuke is one of my top favourite characters, but he is a bit selfish to be honest. The revenge he wants to take may seem noble, but considering Itachi doesn't wish him to go through with it, yet Sasuke persists in wanting to have revenge, makes him seem selfish. I know why he wants to take revenge - he wants to avenge his brother because he loves him so much, but he would have been less selfish if he had accepted Itachi's wishes to not avenge him.

    Sasuke isn't perfect, he can be selfish at times and that's one of his flaws. One can try to excuse his want for revenge because the love he had for his clan and his brother, but if one considers the fact that his father was okay with Itachi killing them and in return Itachi telling him that he didn't need to be avenged, that he wanted for Sasuke to be the hero in Konoha, then his need for revenge takes on a selfish undertone.
    So because they wanted different things Sasuke is supposed to ignore his own feelings for them? He understands what Itachi wanted him to do, because Itachi was his older Brother and wanted the best for him. And it's also because Sasuke is Itachi's younger Brother, that he can never forgive Konoha.
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke is one of the most selfless people.

    Quote Originally Posted by Melanee View Post
    Going from having everything to losing everything without knowing why would make anyone afraid to get close to another again, and I'm pretty sure would mess him up psychologically. I don't like or hate him, and his chosen path is obviously not the wisest but I doubt he's doing it to gain power for selfish reasons.
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    Re: Sasuke is one of the most selfless people.

    Well yeah...Hey maybe selfless or may be he is selfish to get the love and company of his clan members!! either way you see it...So what do you say selfish or selfless?? :confused: lol
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke is one of the most selfless people.

    Sasuke leaves his friends and everyone in Konoha to go for power to kill itachi.
    :kanyeshrug:
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke is one of the most selfless people.

    after seeing the truth from Itachi and still wanting to continue with his revenge? thats being selfish and near psychopath?
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke is one of the most selfless people.

    Quote Originally Posted by iSpeak the Truth View Post
    So because they wanted different things Sasuke is supposed to ignore his own feelings for them? He understands what Itachi wanted him to do, because Itachi was his older Brother and wanted the best for him. And it's also because Sasuke is Itachi's younger Brother, that he can never forgive Konoha.
    If you actually read my whole post, you would see that I understand why Sasuke wants to take revenge. And he doesn't need to forgive Konoha - hell, if I were in his place, I wouldn't forgive them either - however, he has the choice of ignoring the village or just punishing the ones responsible for the Uchiha massacre. There is no need to punish a whole village for something that a few arrogant people decided on.
    Yes, there were also innocent Uchiha murdered, but doing the same to the village won't solve anything, except continuing the circle of revenge. I'm pretty sure we already had a conversation like this before.

    The fact that Sasuke ignores Itachi's wish, despite loving him, makes him selfish on that part. Yes, he wants to avenge his brother because he loves him - I understand that. However, going against the specific wish of Itachi, throwing himself in danger, making himself a criminal, and thereby undoing Itachi's plan to let Sasuke survive - that, right there, makes him selfish.
    Itachi made himself an outcast, took the burden of killing his entire clan in exchange for letting his brother live. He taunted Sasuke to make sure he got stronger and kept himself alive long enough for Sasuke to kill him, so he could become stronger again and would regarded as a hero by Konoha by killing a S criminal - especially an Akatsuki member. In short he did everything to make sure that in the end Sasuke would be able to live a good life and wouldn't have to live the same life that Itachi had.

    By ignoring Itachi's wish and actively throwing himself into danger and going further on the path of crime, he makes it seem as if Itachi's sacrifices weren't important. Sasuke could have stopped his revenge after killing Danzo, hell, he could have requested for the Council members involved in the massacre to be put on a trial and be punished like that. That way he would get his revenge and he would show that not all Uchiha were only after power. That way he would show that in the end he was the better man. He would be regarded as a hero and people would have more respect for the Uchiha then.

    I'm not sure whether or not he's still going to pursue the road of revenge, but he isn't selfless. His need for revenge - well, more specifically his wanting to take revenge on the whole village, instead of only the guilty ones, makes him selfish in that aspect.
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke is one of the most selfless people.

    I honestly think you find the most controversial things to post about to piss people off! I agree with poeple in here "I don't think you know what the word selfish or selfless means"

    Sasuke is incredibly Selfish! He refuses to listen to reason, he refuses to let his "friends" help him, he is arrogant beyond anything Konoha has seen, and worst of all he will kill anyone who gets in his way because of his own selfish misguided ambitions.

    I honestly think you need to take a break from this anime because you take it way to seriously! You constantly argue with other people's opinion you disregard what people say if they don't agree with you, and you create these threads because you like to see people's pissed off reactions.

    You think you speak the truth, right? All of your idea's are based off of your opinions and own ideal's about this anime. Which you are entitled too, however not at the expense of other people's opinions. However, most of the time you're completely wrong because you lack real world experience and knowledge of your surroundings. How did i come to that conclusion? you read every single post that poeple put and respond to almost all of them. That tells me you sit by the computer or any internet compatible device and wait to see what people say about your idea's.

    If you still want to create these threads you are more then welcome too, i just think you need to more open to others opinions, if you don't want to, you don't have too.
     
         

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