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    Re: Muu is above majority of top Uchihas!!!

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    On any given Sunday, Jinton could take a heavy shit on either Itachi or Sasuke's Susano'o, that I agree with. However, considering he doesn't seem able to attack whilst remaining invisible, it's more likely that he'd fall to Amaterasu or the like whilst Jinton is charging up.
    Nothing but Yata Mirror would be left on the ground. Or you reckon it would offer a 360 protection? Which I personally don't believe. Going by the implications of the Databook.
     
         

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    Re: Muu is above majority of top Uchihas!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcane Angel View Post
    Nothing but Yata Mirror would be left on the ground. Or you reckon it would offer a 360 protection? Which I personally don't believe. Going by the implications of the Databook.
    Itachi's base Sasuno'o protects Itachi aswell, besides Itachi can simply turn around and face Yata to the direction where the hit is coming from.

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    Re: Muu is above majority of top Uchihas!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcane Angel View Post
    Nothing but Yata Mirror would be left on the ground. Or you reckon it would offer a 360 protection? Which I personally don't believe. Going by the implications of the Databook.
    lol Yata isn't offering 360 protection from Jinton's cube form.
     
         

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    Re: Muu is above majority of top Uchihas!!!

    lol Yata isn't offering 360 protection from Jinton's cube form.
    Charge time for jinton, itachi can easily turn around..
     
         

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    Re: Muu is above majority of top Uchihas!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Owarij View Post
    Charge time for jinton, itachi can easily turn around..
    What is turning around going to do when his entire Susano'o is encased by six walls of Jinton?
     
         

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    Re: Muu is above majority of top Uchihas!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcane Angel View Post
    Fair enough. But yes environmental factors would have to be exploited. Though even a surprise attack wouldn't get the better of the brothers as their reaction are quite skilled and fast.
    Imo what still bothers is that we know of kamui's weakness.
    Obito takes time to warp others.
    Takes time to warp himself


    How the **** did he warp into jinton.
    Warp sasuke
    Warp himself

    Jinton is either slow as ****. Or kishi trolling.

    There are techniques i have mapped out already that would leave invisible not so invisible. From the techniques we have seen from the nindaime mizukage, nothing remotely links to how he managed to figure out invisibilty but surely he must have had something or noted something if he was able to kill mu also.

    May i also state that its fact, yes fact that its not jinton that killed nindaime mizukage. How do i know this?.
    Well we know that jinton leaves no trace of the opponent. If kabuto was able to get his dna to use edo tensei that clearly states that, nindaime mizukage didn't eat a jinton otherwise there would be no trace of him, or am i missing something.

    Btw Bogard i had another page for you, but since you didn't reply id still post it.
    Look carefully at madara's eyes [1]

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    Look closely and you'd note that madara had was in 3 tomoe sharingan mode. That makes sense for onoki to put a question mark and an exclamation mark when he saw susano. He did put an exclamation mark when he noted the ms aswell.
     
         

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    Re: Muu is above majority of top Uchihas!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Blaze Release View Post
    Btw Bogard i had another page for you, but since you didn't reply id still post it.
    Look carefully at madara's eyes [1]

    For a better view here



    Look closely and you'd note that madara had was in 3 tomoe sharingan mode. That makes sense for onoki to put a question mark and an exclamation mark when he saw susano. He did put an exclamation mark when he noted the ms aswell.
    i can hardly make out wtf is that but the next page






    i dont know about you but it sure looks more like MS rather than 3T
     
         

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    Re: Muu is above majority of top Uchihas!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by lol99 View Post
    i can hardly make out wtf is that but the next page






    i dont know about you but it sure looks more like MS rather than 3T
    Er its in the next page after onoki was trying to act tough did madara go ms however in the previous page i uploaded after he has been stomped it looks like the 3 tomoe. Madara asks onoki if he still wants to dance and in that same scenario is when he went ms.

    Look clearly in the previous page i uploaded and note his eyes, its clear its different from the next page when he had the ms
     
         
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    Re: Muu is above majority of top Uchihas!!!

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    What is turning around going to do when his entire Susano'o is encased by six walls of Jinton?

    Here I disagree... I believe yata mirror changes shape and size and according to the databook, elements DEPENDING on the attack coming..

    that theory isn't baseless as it has been portrayed in the manga


    Here you see how yatta mirror is, a flat shield, a bit bigger than Itachi, but still smaller than susanno itself..


    Sasuke then throws explosive kunai to cause and explosion


    [/SPOILER]You can no see the shield has grown, as the head of susanno is no longer higher in the air

    specifically talking about this


    You also should note the sfx showing the mirror was shrinking after the attack..


    Next feat of this? pretty obvious

    If you don't see it


    You clearly see it extended again, covering more in the back of itachi, which is not how it originally looked, considering its flat


    I can show you more.. but put one and one together.. itachi found these items.. and they have no real physical form.... when he found them I highly doubt they were the size fit for a susanno.. the sword was probably the size of a a katana and the shield the size of a normal shield

    Zetsu didn't say the weapons made him invincible for giggles, a front only defense isn't at all an invincible defense
     
         
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    Re: Muu is above majority of top Uchihas!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Blaze Release View Post
    Er its in the next page after onoki was trying to act tough did madara go ms however in the previous page i uploaded after he has been stomped it looks like the 3 tomoe. Madara asks onoki if he still wants to dance and in that same scenario is when he went ms.

    Look clearly in the previous page i uploaded and note his eyes, its clear its different from the next page when he had the ms
    he could have deactivated his MS after he thought the fight was over and then he activated it again when he saw oonoki was still in a fighting mood
     
         

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    Re: Muu is above majority of top Uchihas!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by lol99 View Post
    he could have deactivated his MS after he thought the fight was over and then he activated it again when he saw oonoki was still in a fighting mood
    Come on. Its clear madara went easy on him and when he tried to act tough did madara go ms.
    Anyway, this topic is subjective. However i disagree with the thread
     
         

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    Re: Muu is above majority of top Uchihas!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Owarij View Post
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    Here I disagree... I believe yata mirror changes shape and size and according to the databook, elements DEPENDING on the attack coming..
    You believe, because neither the manga or databook have ever stated and shown that the Yata Mirror can morph into a complete 360 degree shield. Size perhaps, but shape, never.

    that theory isn't baseless as it has been portrayed in the manga


    Here you see how yatta mirror is, a flat shield, a bit bigger than Itachi, but still smaller than susanno itself..


    Sasuke then throws explosive kunai to cause and explosion

    You can no see the shield has grown, as the head of susanno is no longer higher in the air

    specifically talking about this


    You also should note the sfx showing the mirror was shrinking after the attack..


    Next feat of this? pretty obvious

    If you don't see it


    You clearly see it extended again, covering more in the back of itachi, which is not how it originally looked, considering its flat


    I can show you more.. but put one and one together.. itachi found these items.. and they have no real physical form.... when he found them I highly doubt they were the size fit for a susanno.. the sword was probably the size of a a katana and the shield the size of a normal shield.
    Also, Yata Mirror doesn't have the feats of tanking the untankable, which is the level Jinton is currently operating at in this manga. In all honesty, i'm not really interested in Yata's hype becomes it has been subject to paradoxical concepts on numerous occasions. Kabutowari was said to be able to smash all defences, and i'm sure the Yata Mirror is labelled under 'defence'. Perfect Susano'o has been said to have the power to smash everything in the universe, so clearly there has been a tendency on Kishimoto's part to overhype certain objects in this manga. Chou Oodama Rasenagan can supposedly hollow out mountains also. There can't be an all powerful defence if there exists an all powerful offence.




    Therefore, feats are the key. I've seen Jinton effortlessly consume and destroy 25 Susano'os - haven't seen Yata do anything on this level. Only explosive tags. It's not even confirmed if the mirror can reflect Kekkei Tōta, which came way after the databook entry publication. And that's only the linear form of Dust Release i'm referring to. The cubic form just doesn't fail and cannot be tanked. Only S/T Ninjutsu and Gakidou can overcome it.
     
         
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    Re: Muu is above majority of top Uchihas!!!

    A few things :

    1. I've watched the Anime and read the manga the Jinton blast doesn't take time to charge.

    2. Chiyo was unaware of MS so its safe to assume that other villegers didn't have that much info on the Uchihas beyond 3 Tomoe but the fact of the matter is Onnoki was familiar with both the MS as well as Susanoo its highest tech.

    Madara went easy meaning he didn't use the PSS which as he said no one has survived after witnessing it. Only Hashirama overstepped it.

    3. Muu is more or less the same age as Madara.

    4. There are questions about Tobi's Kamui, so this might help.

    Tobi and the Long Ranged Kamui :


    Tobi about to save Sasuke with it :



    Tobi saved sasuke with it :








    Tobi using Long Ranged Kamui+WS to clean up the Fodders :







    Just as Kakashi was able to use the Short Ranged Kamui i.e. when he got out of Kamui world, Obito can also use the Long Ranged Kamui its as simple as that.
     
         
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    Re: Muu is above majority of top Uchihas!!!

    Therefore, feats are the key. I've seen Jinton effortlessly consume and destroy 25 Susano'os - haven't seen Yata do anything on this level. Only explosive tags. It's not even confirmed if the mirror can reflect Kekkei Tōta, which came way after the databook entry publication. And that's only the linear form of Dust Release i'm referring to. The cubic form just doesn't fail and cannot be tanked. Only S/T Ninjutsu and Gakidou can over

    And how will jinton destroy something that doesn't even have a real physical form? jinton dematerializes atoms etc... yata mirror is made of a spiritual liquid like substance.. it's like saying onooki can jinton the rds death god


    You say it hasn't shown feats of changing size or shape in the manga, yet I just showed you many..


    Here, yata mirror has extended its shape and is now covering even in the back of susanno's head...
    That IS shape manipulation... Ive also shown you it can grow in height and width...

    it shouldn't even be an argument.. disregarding hype and stating only feats count is madness... Yata mirror was put on a pedestal that states it can reflect any attack, even that of a gods.. hyerbole yes, but the statement stems from some superior level of defence...
    Zetsu also states it can defend against any attack... the mirror obviously isn't something that can be explained using normal physics.... it has endowed in it all elements.. meaning all elments capable of cancelling out the jinton and reflecting it
     
         

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    Re: Muu is above majority of top Uchihas!!!

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    And how will jinton destroy something that doesn't even have a real physical form? jinton dematerializes atoms etc... yata mirror is made of a spiritual liquid like substance.. it's like saying onooki can jinton the rds death god

    You say it hasn't shown feats of changing size or shape in the manga, yet I just showed you many..


    Here, yata mirror has extended its shape and is now covering even in the back of susanno's head...
    That IS shape manipulation... Ive also shown you it can grow in height and width...

    it shouldn't even be an argument.. disregarding hype and stating only feats count is madness... Yata mirror was put on a pedestal that states it can reflect any attack, even that of a gods.. hyerbole yes, but the statement stems from some superior level of defence...
    Zetsu also states it can defend against any attack... the mirror obviously isn't something that can be explained using normal physics.... it has endowed in it all elements.. meaning all elments capable of cancelling out the jinton and reflecting it
    Good shit with Atoms and molecules but Yata is only 90-180 as opposed to Jinton's 360. So Itachi and the rest of Susanoo will become dust from the back!

    Also Jinton's almost instantaneous and Yata takes time.
     
         

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    Re: Muu is above majority of top Uchihas!!!

    Good shit with Atoms and molecules but Yata is only 90-180 as opposed to Jinton's 360. So Itachi and the rest of Susanoo will become dust from the back!
    I just shoed yata isn't only 180, reread, it has grown in size and extended shape depending on the attack coming
     
         

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    Re: Muu is above majority of top Uchihas!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Owarij View Post
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    And how will jinton destroy something that doesn't even have a real physical form? jinton dematerializes atoms etc... yata mirror is made of a spiritual liquid like substance.. it's like saying onooki can jinton the rds death god
    Yata may survive, everything else will be destroyed completely.


    You say it hasn't shown feats of changing size or shape in the manga, yet I just showed you many..


    Here, yata mirror has extended its shape and is now covering even in the back of susanno's head...
    That IS shape manipulation... Ive also shown you it can grow in height and width...
    Yeah, I said it has no feats of covering 360 degrees, which is completely true.

    it shouldn't even be an argument.. disregarding hype and stating only feats count is madness... Yata mirror was put on a pedestal that states it can reflect any attack, even that of a gods.. hyerbole yes, but the statement stems from some superior level of defence...
    Zetsu also states it can defend against any attack... the mirror obviously isn't something that can be explained using normal physics.... it has endowed in it all elements.. meaning all elments capable of cancelling out the jinton and reflecting it
    So what? By using hype only, Perfect Susano'o will destroy it, because it can smash all things in the universe. Kabutowari will as it can destroy all defences. It's clear that hype is unreliable in this sense. It's obvious that all these objects have been overhyped/exaggerated. Obvious is incredibly obvious. Even more so when Kishimoto made these statements regarding the sword and the blade long after he'd hyped Yata Mirror. Hell, if anything was contradicted, it was that shield. So now i'm looking at feats to judge how reliable the hype is, and Yata Mirror's feats can't compare with the extermination of 25 Susano'os. And you refer to the databook when I already told you that this was at a time when Kekkei Tōta had not been introduced. It's not even confirmed if the Mirror can reflect Dust Release (Linear form).
     
         

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    Re: Muu is above majority of top Uchihas!!!

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    Yata may survive, everything else will be destroyed completely.




    Yeah, I said it has no feats of covering 360 degrees, which is completely true.



    So what? By using hype only, Perfect Susano'o will destroy it, because it can smash all things in the universe. Kabutowari will as it can destroy all defences. It's clear that hype is unreliable in this sense. It's obvious that all these objects have been overhyped/exaggerated. Obvious is incredibly obvious. Even more so when Kishimoto made these statements regarding the sword and the blade long after he'd hyped Yata Mirror. Hell, if anything was contradicted, it was that shield. So now i'm looking at feats to judge how reliable the hype is, and Yata Mirror's feats can't compare with the extermination of 25 Susano'os. And you refer to the databook when I already told you that this was at a time when Kekkei Tōta had not been introduced. It's not even confirmed if the Mirror can reflect Dust Release (Linear form).
    That's the oldest trick in his book, If nothing works pull that crappy databook page which has hyped Itachi's Susanoo and he also believes that you need Tsukuyomi+Amaterasu to get Susanoo when its been proved that Double MS is needed. He can't even Jutify Madara's Susanoo or Sasuke's by that Logic or maybe he thinks Sasuke has Tsukuyomi.

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    Re: Muu is above majority of top Uchihas!!!

    I always like the duel between Owarij and Noddy, its fun to watch.
    I don't want to intervene but ill like to state a couple of things.

    We have seen jinton destroy susano that is cannon its a fact. However whether onoki or mu can produce a jinton big enough to fully engulf a full armoured susano i dont know. If they do it will surely require a considerable amount of chakra. I agree with arcane angel that it either produce a jinton big enough to engulf a full armoured susano, only the mirror will remain.

    However if either produce jinton on a smaller scale, lets say something like this [1]. That size jinton obviously isn't bigger than a full susano and neither is it bigger than the yata mirror. If this size jinton hit the surface of the yata mirror like [1] I believe nothing will happen to the yata mirror for various reasons.

    Firstly is that there is a misconception that it blocks only ninjutsu and people have put ninjutsu into the 5 nature and not kg. Now im not saying the yata mirror can produce kg technique's as ill explain later. In the DB dictionary it says the mirror can deflect [1].

    Now given what has been said about the mirror from the db and manga but also hype of having the tag legendary but also oro searching for it states that its special. We know of oro's personality, he will not invest his time into something he doesn't believe will make him stronger. Now ill give two technique's from the manga that have the tag 'mirror' in them which have shown the ability to mirror or deflect an opponents technique.

    Yagura's mirror technique did something that i believe the yata mirror could possible do. here [1, 2] As we saw it deflected naruto's rasengan and bee's knife.

    Another technique is pain's mirror technique




    If you note, both are mirror techniques in the sense that they can replicate the opponents technique use it against them therefore its void. Now its possible that the yata mirror gaining the tag mirror but also every said about it in the manga and DB, its very possible that it could do what they two techniques can do. Obviously im speculating however its possible
     
         

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    Re: Muu is above majority of top Uchihas!!!

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    I just shoed yata isn't only 180, reread, it has grown in size and extended shape depending on the attack coming
    Well I said 90 to 180 meaning I've taken the extended size into account.
     
         

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