[Discussion] Sannin/3way deadlock/rock paper scissors - elemental fail?

[meowNverse]

Edit:

Please understand, that I am talking about rock paper scissors/slug snake toad.
This thread is about that system and not about who would win in general.
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Slug wins vs snake.
Snake wins vs toad.
Toad wins vs slug.

This system, slug snake toad, is like rock paper scissors.
That means:

Tsunade wins vs Oro.
Oro wins vs Jiraiya.
Jiraiya wins vs Tsunade.

Elemental wise, this does not work for the Sannin, cause the exact opposit is happening.

Oro uses Wind.
Jiraiya uses Fire and Earth.
Tsunade is assumed to have lightning, due to her attack on Kabuto, but her elemental affinity is kinda unknown.

Oro would lose elemental wise to Jiraiya. Wind loses to Fire.
However Oro is suppose to win, cause of Snake>Toad.
Jiraiya would lose elemental wise to Tsunade if she has lightning. Earth loses to Lightning.
However Jiraiya is suppose to win, cause of Toad>Slug (and he got punched 24/7 by her and didnt win her heart either, but that is a different topic ).
Tsunade would lose elemental wise to Oro if she has lightning. Lightning loses to Wind.

Has this been done on purpose?
That their elemental affinities are getting countered, by the opponent who they are suppose to beat?
Has it been done on purpose that elemental wise, it works the other way around?

Sasuke, Naruto and Sakura, work differently.

Naruto has Wind and Sasuke has 2 elements, Fire and Lightning.
Yet Jiraiya has Fire and Earth and Oro has Wind like Naruto, which is the other way around.

Naruto can counter Lightning with Wind and would lose to an equal Fire attack with an equal Wind attack.
If Naruto is Jiraiya, than he is suppose to lose to Sasuke, yet he has a counter elemental affinity to Sasuke.

Sakura is unknown and Tsunade kinda as well.

The rock paper scissors or Slug Snake Toad system might been thrown overboard a bit, or not? Sasuke uses Hawks now even, so the Slug Snake Toad has turned into Slug Hawk Toad >_<.


What do you think of this people?
I found it interesting and I thought I would share.

[Exaar]

Oro beats them both in a 1v1

Snake > toad > snug > Snake only really works for their summonings.

Nothing more.

[meowNverse]

Oro beats them both in a 1v1

Snake > toad > snug > Snake only really works for their summonings.

Nothing more.

Oro has never taken down Tsunade in a 1 on 1.
The system is rock paper scissors, also known as slug snake frog.
That is the point of the thread, that principle.
Their elemental affinities dont seem to follow that same principle (for whatever reason).
I know Jiraiya and Tsunade fought 2vs1 vs Oro (all 3 handicapped though).

[TheWillofFire]

I dont really think sannin have elemental affinities

[meowNverse]

I dont really think sannin have elemental affinities

You mean Tsunade or the Sannin? Cause Oro has wind and Jiraiya has Fire and Earth.

[★Gaara]

Tsunade Would lose to oro hands down.

[meowNverse]

Tsunade Would lose to oro hands down.

Based on?

[Cowthulhu45]

Based on?

That she's tsunade and weak because she's a girl so she must be slow. Thats the logic you will get.

[EliteKakashi]

You mean Tsunade or the Sannin? Cause Oro has wind and Jiraiya has Fire and Earth.

It's never said what their affinity is. Jiraiya can use both fire and earth elements, however, it's never explained which one is his affinity.

Same goes for Orochimaru. He can use wind, but it's never been stated to be his affinity. He's not used it very often, either, which brings even more questions as to if that's his affinity.

Where as you have characters like Naruto and Kakashi, which we know their affinities(Naruto Wind/Kakashi Lightning), and those are the elements they most often(and in Naruto's case, the only element he's ever used) use.

So trying to use the "this affinity > that affinity" doesn't really work, as we don't even know what the affinities are for the Sannin. Plus, as has been stated in the past, an attack that's more powerful can often overcome another, even if it's element is weak to that attack. Think of Kakuzu's elemental combination of Fire and Wind that he used vs Kakashi. Kakashi used a high level(B rank) suiton to try and counter, but it was over come. This is despite the fact that water obviously > fire, and wind has no "dominance" over water.

[BloodSeed]

Edit:

Please understand, that I am talking about rock paper scissors/slug snake toad.
This thread is about that system and not about who would win in general.
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Slug wins vs snake.
Snake wins vs toad.
Toad wins vs slug.

This system, slug snake toad, is like rock paper scissors.
That means:

Tsunade wins vs Oro.
Oro wins vs Jiraiya.
Jiraiya wins vs Tsunade.

Elemental wise, this does not work for the Sannin, cause the exact opposit is happening.

Oro uses Wind.
Jiraiya uses Fire and Earth.
Tsunade is assumed to have lightning, due to her attack on Kabuto, but her elemental affinity is kinda unknown.

Oro would lose elemental wise to Jiraiya. Wind loses to Fire.
However Oro is suppose to win, cause of Snake>Toad.
Jiraiya would lose elemental wise to Tsunade if she has lightning. Earth loses to Lightning.
However Jiraiya is suppose to win, cause of Toad>Slug (and he got punched 24/7 by her and didnt win her heart either, but that is a different topic ).
Tsunade would lose elemental wise to Oro if she has lightning. Lightning loses to Wind.

Has this been done on purpose?
That their elemental affinities are getting countered, by the opponent who they are suppose to beat?
Has it been done on purpose that elemental wise, it works the other way around?

Sasuke, Naruto and Sakura, work differently.

Naruto has Wind and Sasuke has 2 elements, Fire and Lightning.
Yet Jiraiya has Fire and Earth and Oro has Wind like Naruto, which is the other way around.

Naruto can counter Lightning with Wind and would lose to an equal Fire attack with an equal Wind attack.
If Naruto is Jiraiya, than he is suppose to lose to Sasuke, yet he has a counter elemental affinity to Sasuke.

Sakura is unknown and Tsunade kinda as well.

The rock paper scissors or Slug Snake Toad system might been thrown overboard a bit, or not? Sasuke uses Hawks now even, so the Slug Snake Toad has turned into Slug Hawk Toad >_<.


What do you think of this people?
I found it interesting and I thought I would share.

why are these people saying snake>toad>slug>snake lol kishi never stated that

[meowNverse]

why are these people saying snake>toad>slug>snake lol kishi never stated that

Kishi actually did.
It was said in the databook that the Sannin have a "sansukumi" relationship.
A "Sansukumi" a three way deadlock, like rock/paper/scissors.
In Japanese culture, the slug has the advantage over the snake,
the snake over the toad,
and the toad over the slug.

There is even a manga chapter titled a three way deadlock.