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    Re: [Grand RP Tournament] Xmas Edition - Feedback and Discussion

    Everyone shut up and get back on topic ^_^
     
         

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    Re: [Grand RP Tournament] Xmas Edition - Feedback and Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Nagato.. View Post
    Dude I swear I said the same thing the other day. Tournaments are kind of handing out prizes like candy. I hear alot of peoplebrag about all the kinds of powerups they are going to get inside their villages and I kind of get upset at the fact people base there RP productivity over relying on cheap village prizes. Everyone and their momma has sound release and Curse Marks now. I really think we need to speak to the mods or Nexus and have some of these village tournaments and such postponed for a while for things to balance out.
    Tournaments like this I find it understandable to have the prizes that they do seeing as there are no restrictions and everybody proves their worth as an RPer to get the prizes. However certian things like EIG I don't think should be a prize in a tournament. Last I remember or at least this is what i heard, the masters of EIG got to pick their students and it wasn't a prized based thing. You had to be evaluated. Also since it's possibly the highest level of canon Taijutsu ability, the people who recieve it should be people whom demonstrate a high degree of taijutsu prowess. Somebody can make it through a tournament without using taijutsu at all and still get that prize.

    I've been hearing about villages getting EIG as a prize option, as well as sound and what not. There's an over abundance of tournaments too. There's one village tourny and then a few weeks later I'll hear about another one happening with even more ridiculous prizes such as Kinjutsu, Sound, and CM.

    This is a little off topic since it's dealing with not an open RP tournament like this one, but I feel it needs to be addressed as well. There doesn't need to be a village tourny every few weeks within shot of one another. I thought that would be something that was anual or biaunual and there was only a prize for the winner, not 1st, 2nd, and 3rd. Maybe a runner up prize, but nothing that's too gifting. As said before, it makes abilities like CM and Sound less special if everybody has them. Everybody should have a fair shot at them, however those shots shouldn't be so easy to take.

    As far as grand tournaments like this or special tournaments, I feel the prizes should go to a lesser margin of finalists and certian themed prizes shouldn't be options. EIG or another ability that pertains to a specific area of combat where those who recieve them should be required to demonstrate excellence in that field, shouldn't be included.
     
         

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    Re: [Grand RP Tournament] Xmas Edition - Feedback and Discussion

    I Liked Sound Release more when the only way of obtaining it was with a Sound Tournament that happened every 6 months to a year.

    I to agree that Village Tournaments are getting out of hand and that they should be put on hold for awhile.
     
         

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    Re: [Grand RP Tournament] Xmas Edition - Feedback and Discussion

    Putting a hold on village tournaments would make the activities in the villages die out >_> (specially in the villages where there are fewer members)

    I say just have prizes like leg weights,cm etc. for the village tourneys.
     
         

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    Re: [Grand RP Tournament] Xmas Edition - Feedback and Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Erzo View Post
    Weird but I disagree with both your points..
    I felt like there was no need for a losers bracket. You lose you get kicked out, more exciting that way since there's no second chance. And as for the time period, 7 days is more than enough.
    Quote Originally Posted by Gaara View Post
    Agreed to what Anduril said and not only that, but 7 days is more than enough time to finish a fight.

    And without a Looser's brackets it forces people to go all out, You Only Loose once
    I'm saying loser's bracket should be added b'coz a person who deserves to get high position in tourney may end up getting KO in first round. For instance, lets say, what if Serpent and Lili were matched up against each other in Round 1? Would the one who will lose among these would've got the 2nd position like they will get now? Nope. They would've just ended up criticizing their fate or maybe not. But if the loser's bracket is added then the person who deserves 2nd position in tourney can still get it even after losing in round 1 to best person, by defeating everyone in loser's bracket.
    Take an example of tourneys happening in RL, like La liga, what if the tourney is made to be KO tourney and Barcelona and Real Madrid are made to fight in first match. Would the loser of the match, who deserves the 2nd position in tourney will get it? Nope. Why? Because "seeding" is done in those tourneys. So they never end up against each other in early rounds. Seeding is done in every tourney.

    So I suggest that either seeding should be done in the tourneys or loser's bracket should be added.


    Quote Originally Posted by Typhon View Post
    I don't think the activity level of the RP should be reliant on these tournaments. These should be more of an aside. Also too frequent tournaments would lead to an over abundance of some of the prizes.

    Thats one thing I would like changed in the next one, a smaller prize pool. Im just a little worried that things like this coupled with village tournies might make things like curse marks or sound or EIG far too common when they're supposed to be rare.
    Quote Originally Posted by Nagato.. View Post
    Dude I swear I said the same thing the other day. Tournaments are kind of handing out prizes like candy. I hear alot of peoplebrag about all the kinds of powerups they are going to get inside their villages and I kind of get upset at the fact people base there RP productivity over relying on cheap village prizes. Everyone and their momma has sound release and Curse Marks now. I really think we need to speak to the mods or Nexus and have some of these village tournaments and such postponed for a while for things to balance out.
    Quote Originally Posted by Reborn View Post
    Tournaments like this I find it understandable to have the prizes that they do seeing as there are no restrictions and everybody proves their worth as an RPer to get the prizes. However certian things like EIG I don't think should be a prize in a tournament. Last I remember or at least this is what i heard, the masters of EIG got to pick their students and it wasn't a prized based thing. You had to be evaluated. Also since it's possibly the highest level of canon Taijutsu ability, the people who recieve it should be people whom demonstrate a high degree of taijutsu prowess. Somebody can make it through a tournament without using taijutsu at all and still get that prize.

    I've been hearing about villages getting EIG as a prize option, as well as sound and what not. There's an over abundance of tournaments too. There's one village tourny and then a few weeks later I'll hear about another one happening with even more ridiculous prizes such as Kinjutsu, Sound, and CM.

    This is a little off topic since it's dealing with not an open RP tournament like this one, but I feel it needs to be addressed as well. There doesn't need to be a village tourny every few weeks within shot of one another. I thought that would be something that was anual or biaunual and there was only a prize for the winner, not 1st, 2nd, and 3rd. Maybe a runner up prize, but nothing that's too gifting. As said before, it makes abilities like CM and Sound less special if everybody has them. Everybody should have a fair shot at them, however those shots shouldn't be so easy to take.

    As far as grand tournaments like this or special tournaments, I feel the prizes should go to a lesser margin of finalists and certian themed prizes shouldn't be options. EIG or another ability that pertains to a specific area of combat where those who recieve them should be required to demonstrate excellence in that field, shouldn't be included.
    Agreed.
     
         
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    Re: [Grand RP Tournament] Xmas Edition - Feedback and Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Flash07 View Post
    Putting a hold on village tournaments would make the activities in the villages die out >_> (specially in the villages where there are fewer members)

    I say just have prizes like leg weights,cm etc. for the village tourneys.
    The Village System shouldn't be so Dull without the tournaments..

    The Kage of a Village should set up different events and mission's that will keep villagers busy. If a Kage is not active to do so then someone else should be elected Kage.
     
         
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    Re: [Grand RP Tournament] Xmas Edition - Feedback and Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Typhon View Post
    I don't think the activity level of the RP should be reliant on these tournaments. These should be more of an aside. Also too frequent tournaments would lead to an over abundance of some of the prizes.

    Thats one thing I would like changed in the next one, a smaller prize pool. Im just a little worried that things like this coupled with village tournies might make things like curse marks or sound or EIG far too common when they're supposed to be rare.
    I agree with this.
    Also, I think it would be nice if there could be medals for 2nd and 3rd place. I know a lot of people take part in tournaments to show their skill/prove themselves instead of hunting for rare abilities.
     
         

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    Re: [Grand RP Tournament] Xmas Edition - Feedback and Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by McRazor View Post
    Just thought I'd add that maybe the 3 votes thing could be done from the beginning, to avoid possible accusations of biasness or anything of that matter. Other than that, nothing to complain about. Great job.
    Quote Originally Posted by Enzup View Post
    The thing which lacked, IMHO, was loser's bracket.
    Another thing, if from next tourneys the time-period of each fight could be increased from 7 to 10-12 days or something then everyone would have enough time to think and make counters, instead of making counters in hurry. That's my opinion.
    Rest everything was perfect.
    Quote Originally Posted by -Cobalt- View Post
    The tournament was very well organized, I enjoyed it and can't wait for the next one to happen. There were some delays in the judging, thus the reason for my Good vote. Also the three vote thing, I agree on that also. Not much to complain about, keep up the good work. A big thank you to Scorps who organized it and Riku and Vincent for their input later on.
    Quote Originally Posted by General Teno View Post
    I actually give this tourny a 10-10.... Even though I didnt have the 3judges.. >_>
    But Scorps Ruling on my thing was right... didnt know the tiger handseal consist of two hands.. I thought it was One.
    Anywho. The fact that you take the argument to a thread and after 3 arguments the judges decide. No ifs, ands, or buts. was rather brilliant.

    10/10
    Quote Originally Posted by Lili-Chwan View Post
    One thing that would really add to the tournament would be Scorps in a bikini with a large sign marking the rounds... Those tatas need to be let loose more often, Scorseh
    Quote Originally Posted by Nagato.. View Post
    I think I'd like to say i agree with this post 100%

    I honestly believe it was a good tournament but because of the 3 vote rule being implemented so late it wasn't near perfect. I also think that the rules of the acquiring of prizes on your bio you're using needed to be tweaked a bit. It seemed almost impossible to try and enter the tournament to pursue a particular prize when your bio is unsuitable for it...what i mean is... It's difficult to try and have people drop bios or switch things around for the occasion with limited time, which will cause Caliburn to be overworked and be backed up in bio checking. Like trying to fill 32 or so participants within a week timeframe and your bio sits around for more than a week, thus you will be ineligible for your prize. Though, this is disregarding the "updates only clause." For what if the bio you are participating with goes against restrictions, like a cannon bio, you would have to drop it for a custom and vice versa.

    Overall, that rule itself didnt need to be "removed". Just tweaked a bit for those who needed to handle biography duties. I personally thought it was a good rule to keep it balanced and to stop people form just stacking mounds of abilities.
    Quote Originally Posted by -Cobalt- View Post
    Thank you Lili, I appreciate those words and thank you for them. I'll go to hell, if our fight wasn't the best in my RP career. I hope we encounter each other again. Your mushrooms are extremely well worded and the abilities are amazing. Thank you for the amazing fight we had.



    I second this motion
    Quote Originally Posted by Zero Kelvin View Post
    I'd like to, for every tournament, have stated what the judges base their judgements on.
    My battle was lost because I 'used Sage Mode too early.' That's fine; good use of the Basic Five counts for something too.
    I would, however, appreciate if that was stated beforehand. It would be very simple. "We judge the fights primarily on X, secondarily on Y and tertiary on Z."
    And, like mentioned before, a losers-bracket is much needed.
    Quote Originally Posted by Gecko View Post
    I enjoyed reading all of these fights, inspires me to finish my training even more, so i can participate in the next ones. The only thing i feel was bad, was in the early fights, to many fights ended by forfeit or technicality. That's no fun, I canunderstand if your forfeited for rl stuff but just because you lost interest is wack. Other then that good job whoever organized it ._.

    Is this thread open for a small tournament suggestion or should just vm it?
    Quote Originally Posted by Oraan View Post
    I agree. The three judging part made me wonder why it wasn't done from the beginning barring the inactivity.



    I concur. It shouldn't take that long to come up with a move. It takes longer typing it out than it does to actually Come up with it. .
    And it's a fact that some people try to use the time limit as a means of controlling the fight. I really think the reply time should be dropped down to a day. Because otherwise you get fights with only two moves it it and its a pain to judge things like that.

    Also didn't like the fact that there was no losers bracket simply because well you lost. Should have given it your all. And if it wasn't enough you aren't guaranteed a retry. . Shouldn't have messed up in the first place.
    Quote Originally Posted by Solf J. Kimblee View Post
    Near perfect

    1. Add the three judge option
    2. Add the loser bracket again
    3. Keep the discussion thread
    4. Let the member chose what bio they would like prize for
    Quote Originally Posted by Better View Post
    Thanks for that again, means a lot, and to answer the question, none of my customs get apporved lol so, i had to make due with what I have, still I'm glad I made it as far as I did, Fighting you and Kirabi really helped me find out about myself as a Rper. Btw Minerva suit you in a scary way

    Great Tourney Scorps, as TO of Kumo, I actually implemented the same concept with the discussion thread and what not. Where judges can go to the discussion and see what fights need to be judged. I had fun, and next tourney Gin Ichimaru will do better.
    Quote Originally Posted by Flash07 View Post
    I hope next time people who haven't mastered base 5 can participate as well.....bored of just watching others fight cuz I haven't completed my training yet :shrug:
    Quote Originally Posted by Riku.. View Post
    The thing is that the three vote thing wasn't really a rule. It was never made into a rule, just something that was necessary for certain battles. It literally only came up because the fights toward the end were just so close that Scorps was unsure of which direction to judge it, so whereas normally his judgement was enough, he felt as though he should get other opinions. It wasn't really like Scorps decided that his method wasn't working and wanted to switch things up, ya know? It was really just for those specific fights as the tourney wound down. And while it may make things easier, it would also make for a bit more strenuous of a grading process if from the very start the tourney won't progress until Scorps, Vincent, and I (or whoever else) all grade every fight. Taking into consideration that it only takes one mod to grade a sensei test or a most special bio tests, it really isn't necessary to have three mods for every fight from the start of the tourney. In my opinion it would just end up slowing down the tourney. Now maybe having three mods assigned to the tourney who would grade together when necessary may be an idea. But applying this to every battle just seems unnecessary.
    Quote Originally Posted by Migualon J.J. View Post
    pretty much agree with what Solf said right here, with everything i mean


    what i think is important about loser bracket that you might get unlucky and get someone like Lili in the first round, just sayin that with Looser bracket it is better for everyone

    and personally would change to 2 days to reply to fight 3 is a lot and 1 is only a little bit imo
    Quote Originally Posted by Cookie.. View Post
    Why not create a new sub-forum? Will be way easier to follow fights and to go back in to previous fights. By the way I couldn't participate because of the Basic 5 rule lol. I'm probably not powerful enough to be any competition, but it would've been fun to try.

    So yeah, why not create a sub-forum. Since I can predict another will be popping up.

    Also on the multiple-mod story: I say on do multiple-mods from quarter finals and on wards.
    Quote Originally Posted by Lokí View Post
    Agreed with Solf.

    Specially on the loser brackets back on and letting people choose what bio they like the prizes for.
    Quote Originally Posted by Serpent View Post
    It was very well organized, the only thing I find that was rather dull is the fact that the time to reply to a fight was a bit to long. I think that 3 day's (72 hours from post) should be the max limit for a tournament.. any longer makes it so the opponent can sit and wait. this is something that I realized in this tournament. I will see an opponent online and they will not reply to the tournament despite being online for hours.. I feel that if the reply time was shorter it will move things along faster allowing for fights to finish or at least give more material to help aid in the Judging of battles.
    Quote Originally Posted by Nagato.. View Post
    I agree and understand where youre coming from Riku. I was gonna post this earlier, but I kinda see people critquing more than just simple stuff so I shall explain a few things I noticed and why I agreed to having 3 votes. I don't agree it needs to be from the biggining but I think it should be for those at least up to the 3rd round or if necessary for the 1st or 2nd if needed.

    One thing that needed to be worked on is judging consistency such as: using cheap moves, abusing techniques and wording to get a cheap win, Custom Element spamming etc. Comparing last tournament to this one, I'd say that this tournament was a bit smoother because of the number of people and no loser bracket, but also because of the thread where you were able to call out your opponents moves. But in the end there is no real way to win a tournament match. The style of judging does not stay the same nor the variables you'd expect

    Example 1

    Lets say for example Attacker "A" is using high ranking attacks from the start and is having his opponent defend each turn. His opponent cant seem to dominate the flow of the battle but is able to "survive" turn by turn by just doing enough to live. The attacker would be declared the winner in this case.

    Example 2

    Lets say for example Attacker "B" is using high ranked techniques from the start and is having his opponent defend each turn. His opponent cant seem to dominate the flow of the battle but is able to "survive" turn by turn by using less powerful techniques or cannons only to defend from Customs etc. Yet, even though surviving the defender still cant dominate the flow of the battle.

    The one defending would be called the winner and not the one who dominated the battle because he adverted powerful techniques with cannon or weaker ones, showing superior "skill/strategy". See the comparison between 1 & 2?

    Example 3

    Lets say Attacker "C" isn't looking to go for the instant kill, or unnecessary spamming from the start of the battle. They start off with a slow way of keeping their opponent defending and controlling the flow of the battle. The attacker is using low ranking techniques to control the battle, while the defender is using high ranking techniques each turn and is still unable to dominate.

    I would see that the defender be crowed the winner, because he looked like he "wanted it more." Than the person who was doing less to dominate.


    These examples are in no way to take shots at you Scorps, or to undermine your ability especially the last example, but I merely wanted to explain why I think more than one viewpoint is kind of key in some of these rulings instead of one person. I just felt as though it was hard to grasp the concept of:

    "What am I fighting for, and how should I try to win?"

    "Dominate.....show skill.....defend with ease....go for the instant killl and be seen as a spammer......" Theres never a real way to win.
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    I mentioned this before, but I like the elaboration.
    I support it 100%
    Quote Originally Posted by -Broly- View Post
    For the first bold i think that for all intensive purposes that if your able to defend customs with only canon techniques and the match is more or less evenly matched or one person just barely had the upperhand that the canon user should win. I think we can all agree it's easier to defend a custom with another custom. And isnt it just better to award more "points" if you will, to the contestant that made it even with just canon? As for the op techniques, your right theres no criteria for op techniques, its all opinion. However, canon techniques were made by the creator of naruto. Who are we to say which of HIS techniques are op? Its his manga right? Customs are thought of by people with little to no experience in writting a succesful manga and approved by people with that same level of experience who THINK that it is possible in the context of the rules of naruto. Customs clearly have more potential to be Op'd then canon techniques and thus if one contestant is using high ranked customs throughout the battle they should be "punished" for it (or atleast that should be taken into heavy consideration when deciding the winner) if their opponent has only or mostly used canon techniques. In short, if its mainly canon vs custom and its pretty much even or the custom user has a slight advantage then the canon user should have won by a longshot. This is simply the punishment needed for custom spammers.

    @The second bold I like this idea, but who is to say what a close battle is? Its open to interpretation. As you said, one mod may think its an easy call and the other may not
    Quote Originally Posted by Lili-Chwan View Post
    I disagree. There's a lot of prejudice against custom techniques vs cannon techniques. Techniques are techniques, and all have a counter. There is no technique without a proper counter, at least not in this RP, custom or cannon. Getting one-shotted or defeated by a technique is not because the technique is invincible, it's just that it was used in the right time and the right circumstances. Showing skills with customs is exactly the same as showing skill with cannon. Customs aren't better tools, they're different tools, and it's how one uses what they have that shows skills. In sum, it's not about what tools you have, but what you do with them.

    So, in the example you showed, if a member is using high ranked techniques, and his opponent is just surviving, the winner shouldn't be decided by cannon or custom, but by how long could the match continue that way. If you're using a pretty renewable technique to drive your opponent to the corner, while your opponent is using more chakra and taking more damage, then, in the end, he will run out of chakra and be defeated. But if you're launching bazookas and your opponent is countering it with a pretty renewable or more durable technique, then the attacker who controlled the flow of the fight all along will eventually run out and be defeated.
    Quote Originally Posted by Nagato.. View Post
    I agree, the fact that customs are thrown into the mix presents you guys with some inconceivable challenges, but my main priority was the fact that McRazor had said that it would've been better to have more than one judge to avoid the idea that people will try to call "bias." It's almost unavoidable when people are competing for these prizes and they just don't want to value defeat and accept it without arguing, whether they may be right or wrong. To understand consistency, is to understand what variable you are actually given from the start, so I would say, whether it was one mod or the other, there is a single mod judging every fight form the first round to the third. So applying Scorps as a constant variable would be acceptable in this case. We'd say that his ideas of customs and what it takes to win shall stay the same over a course of time, given the other variables that factor in such as refining his reasoning of judgements based on whatever the case may be for needing to change his concept of how things carried along.

    I could have gone extremely in debt to what I meant in my examples, but my main purpose was not to argue the the rulings or say that something was done wrong. But to mainly give a theoretical series of examples that clearly define where people can have different outlooks to what makes a winner and a better Rpr than the other.

    I agree with most of what you said, I was gonna type a long wallie but overall I feel that Im in the wrong for giving vague examples and not really sitting down to really understand those concepts. Because they do pass through my conscious but I never really elaborated the thoughts, or had to be in one of your shoes and literally judge every single fight that took place myself, so I have no room to talk ^_^
    Quote Originally Posted by -Broly- View Post
    @1st bold With good reason.
    @2nd bold. WRONG. Dead wrong, looking back at the techniques that were approved before everything was restricted so much will show you that these techniques are at a scale that are probably impossible in the manga. As i said, you have techniques that are "Kishimoto approved" if you will and techniques that some fans think are possible. Think of decay release. Can you imagine someone in naruto wielding that? I'm sure even Kishi would laugh his ass off at someone suggesting decay release were possible in his manga but thats really sort of a sidebar (not saying decay release is stupid or anything, its a VERY well made ce, but MOST ce's would be laughed at if you could think of someone wielding it in naruto and i was just using decay as an example since its the first i thought of). Whether they are counterable or not isnt the problem and wasnt suggested. No, the problem is that customs have 1000x more chance to be op (and in all likelihood ARE more op) than regular canons and as such canons could easily be viewed as "weaker" than most custom techniques. Especially the high ranking ones. This goes back to what Nagato was saying about how if the attacker is using super strong and high ranked techniques and the defender is keeping up with the attacker or is evenly matched with the attacker, while using weaker techniques, the defender is clearly the more skilled and should be the victor. If they were being completely honest im sure most people would agree that customs are stronger than canons for the most part. Therefore the reasoning that if you are able to be evenly matched or just a bit behind an opponent who is mainly using customs (stronger techniques) while only using canons (weaker techniques) that you are the more skilled and should obviously be the victor. Its pretty cut and dry to me.

    @3rd bold. Compare the top 20 strongest canons to the top 20 strongest customs on base (of course since theres about 400 canons and waaaay more customs it should be a larger number like the top 100 or 200 to get a REAL feel of whats stronger but i think even with 20 it should be clear) Be honest and tell me which group is stronger and then see if you can repeat that. Customs are indeed stronger tools. Let me take that back, MOST are, not all.

    @4th bold well yes if your just barely surviving then you lost no matter what was used or how much your opponent spammed customs (of course i think someone should lose just for doing that but it has no place in the discussion) But in cases like, as riku said, your and typhons battle where he mainly used canons and you were only a bit ahead, Typhon should have been the winner in a landslide for making an even match against maninly customs with just canon techniques.


    EDIT: this is getting to be one of my custom rants again which isnt what this whole thing is about. In my experience older members will not understand what I just typed for one reason or another and newer members (or atleast me) will never understand the reasoning of the older ones. We agree to disagree and move onwards. This discussion is about the tournament and we should start swinging it back towards that
    Quote Originally Posted by Riku.. View Post
    I won't really argue this since Lili already did for the most part, between what she said and my response to her, that's pretty much my entire take on it.



    I agree with what you're saying here almost fully. That would be completely applicable unless in the situation where someone is using grossly OPed techniques, which is where we have to question things. Your logic applies to any and every custom that has been approved recently and any and every custom that is restricted and made up to the standards that we hold them to right now. But you can't ignore that if an old member who has one of those ridiculously powerful customs comes in and fights a newer member who doesn't have anything to match up against that. I'll use Mugi as an example. He has a great amount of skill and strategy, I'm not saying that he doesn't, but if he wanted to he could fight without a bit of strategy and still put most people in a corner. Let's take his sound technique that instantaneously releases a 360 wave of sound across the battle field that decimates anyone and anything in its path. In that case, it's not about when you use the custom, it's about the custom itself. Customs shouldn't be better tools, but some of them just are. Some people do have customs that no matter when you use them can still be practically unavoidable. Again, customs like that haven't been approved since, hm, I'd say 2011-ish, but the fact that they're still around skews our ability, or mine at least, to judge certain fights. It's just something that's still present, but not really a pressing factor since a lot of people with those customs barely even RP anymore anyway. Now that said, I didn't see the problem really arise in this tourney, but it certainly can in the future, which is the only reason why I'm mentioning it.



    You certainly have room to talk, that's why this thread was made. Not only regardless of your position but BECAUSE of your position; you guys the main ones who are going to be participating in these tourneys, so speak your mind about them lol. But like I said, I think I'll wait for another mod before I say much more.
    Quote Originally Posted by Gildarts Clive View Post
    Liliana is correct here.


    No, not really. If we go by comparing our custom system and the actual Kishi version, then kishi would laugh at the simple fact that we all role play as if we were a bijuu, i mean, we can use S ranks every single turn, and it won't matter, in the anime an S rank can bring down the stamina and chakra of most regular ninja.

    As lili said, every custom has a counter, regardless of how strong it may be. The reason why cannon are viewed weaker than customs is because not everyone has acces to every custom, and since customs aren't shown in the anime/manga (obviously) people struggle to find a proper counter, but the counter always exists. However, i do agree that customs approved back in 09/10 are rather "vague" or "ridiculous". I remember seeing Mugiwara using a technique that travels at the speed of sound or light, and it leaves that target blind and def, in my opinon that custom would have never been approved in these days. Why? because RP mods make sure that every technique they approve has a counter, wich is something that i think mods back then "lacked" or ignored, mainly because there weren't many people and there was less arguments. So yeah, showing skill in using customs is the same as showing skill using cannons, because in the end, they are all techniques, and all have counters.

    Like the great Scorps said one day "Creating a custom show's skill of one's knowledge"
    Quote Originally Posted by -Broly- View Post
    @1st bold. You have completely and I MEAN completely 100% missed the point of why i made that comparison for numerous reasons. And actually we have a chakra and health system in place. Lili actually uses it. Nearly everyone else ignores it. So if we were to rp exactly how the rules state I dont know how kishi could laugh at that.. Not as much as he would laugh at someone who used blazing earth at least. I mean whats more ridiculous to you? Ninjas that never tire? Or someone with the power to wield water that is 5k degrees? Keep in mind the first concept is already in naruto in the form of edo tensei and naruto's nearly endless stamina.

    2nd bold Ive actually already touched on this part in my post that you quoted but I guess i can do a repeat. The (untrue) statement that EVERY custom has a counter has nothing to do with this. What DOES is that no matter how you want to say it or how you try to reason it out, most customs are stronger then most canon jutsu. Period. There's no getting around it and to say otherwise would make you look very ignorant. As scorps also said, "there are over 400 canon jutsu" Thats pretty vast right? Take the top 20, the top 50, the top 100 of all the canon jutsu and compare them to top number of customs and its really no competition. That may not even be a good reason to prove customs are stronger than canon jutsu for the most part but the fact remains that a sane person would say that for the most part customs are stronger than canon. And as much as I feel that I dont even need to prove that customs are stronger than canon jutsu I just KNOW someones going to come and flat out say (in a very desperate attempt to defend their position) that I'm wrong and we live in a land of bubble gum and rainbows and their both equal. I just know someones gonna give me that bs that "its the user not the technique" when they KNOW thats untrue. If i had every single custom ever made and you had all the canon jutsus I would wipe you off the map no matter who much more skilled you are then me.

    2nd bold With all due respect that is ridiculous. REALLY ridiculous. Even Zen agreed with me when I said something like what I'm saying now, and I can show you the quote. Anyway, no this is so not true. Why do you think customs arent allowed in bio tests? Your telling me that someone spamming Ce's shows the same skill as someone only using canon to combat and evenly match them? Oh its well and good (which for the record I dont agree with) if you create the custom but what about the people that use other peoples customs? Is it still their own skill then? Remember the cj wells? Is it skill to use the cj's you got out of them? If you had no hand in that technique is it still skill to use it? This is different from canons because even though we didnt create it, EVERYONE (at least in this tournament) had access to the base 5. So its a level playing field EXCEPT for all the custom spam.
    Quote Originally Posted by Migualon J.J. View Post
    i have to disagree with this line completely, because as Broly did point out, it's not skill to USE CJ, i agree that thinking of some good original CJs is cool and stuff, but really now, just because some people are not good at making CJs, does that mean that they are not smart? smh, that is idiotic talking

    i say there should be more tourneys with Cannons only, that is where real skill shows itself, by that i mean even without KGs and Hidden Abilities and Specialties of each bio if need be, that is where skill shows, not in tournament which shows who has most powerful CJs
    Quote Originally Posted by -Broly- View Post
    Oh my god! Could it be??? A believer!!! Someone who isnt shamelessly defending something which isnt true? rep to you good sir

    Mig dont even try it. They wont do it. Theyre scared... terrified of what the results of such a tournament could have. This is the only explanation that I can think of to why they wont just try it once.
    Quote Originally Posted by Gildarts Clive View Post
    1st bold: Why don't we stop saying that kishi would laugh at customs that other people worked so hard to create, ok mate?

    2nd: Customs do have more strenth than cannon, but if you use it wrong, it won't matter, wich brings me back to what i already said, customs and cannon are all techniques, let them be stronger or weaker, in the end they are all technique, with a weakness/counter, Period. Saying others would look ignorant because they don't agree with you, makes you look ignorant.

    Your last thingy: Customs are actually allowed in some rain tests if you take a quick look. lol Yes! Did you not read Better's fight against Liliana in the tournament?? Lili obviously made use of her CE and better countered and survived with only cannon techniques, showing the same skill as lili, even without using customs. And it could very well be the same way around, Because it's not "spamming Ce's ", because they are elements, created by us, but in the end, elements, otherwise i could very well say that Better "Spammed Cannons" in his fight with Liliana. And yeah, even if they didn't create the custom, if they use it properly, they are showing skill with it, by understanding how it works and using it at the right timing.



    You're not getting the point of the sentence, i said "Creating a custom show's skill of one's knowledge" (knowledge referring to their understanding of the RP and techniques)

    Now read it, does it say using a custom shows skill? Does it?

    And, that people don't make good customs doesn't mean that they aren't smart, questioning that itself is Idiotic.

    The second part, lol, i agree that a cannon only tournament would make you guys happy, i'm on board with that, but saying that using cannon only is true skill is rather "idiotic talking" like Lili said herself "Customs aren't better tools, they're different tools, and it's how one uses what they have that shows skills. In sum, it's not about what tools you have, but what you do with them."
    Quote Originally Posted by -Broly- View Post
    1st bold like i said in the first post that started this Im not making fun of anyones ce's. In fact the ones ive mentioned so far are well made. But you are high if you think Kishi would even CONSIDER putting any of the ones ive mentioned into naruto.

    @ bold Customs are stronger than canon. Thats all I wanted. So if the attacker has only used customs and the defender has only used canon's then they have matched that person by using weaker techniques, thus showing more skill and SHOULD make them the victor. Thats really all I wanted to hear. But to the other part theres a counter to a gun and theres a counter to a knife. They arent equal though, thats the flaw in your reasoning. If you told me that just because there was a counter to the gun and the knife and I said that they were still equal wouldnt you call me ignorant? (Guess which is the gun, the custom or the canon)

    @3rd bold. This was JUST allowed, for what reason i know not. But for all the IMPORTANT tests you know like Bio tests and sensei tests they are disallowed and I think you know why. Yes I did. And if better had evenly matched her in that battle with (as you said) weaker techniques, which are canon then he should have won. Never did I say that its impossible to counter customs with canon, in fact as a canon only user I HAVE to do this to survive. I can count on my fingers the amount of custom jutsu I've used here in the year that Ive been rp'ing. And gildarts, if you spam ce's. Your spamming ce's. Your grabbing at straws here. Have you EVER heard someone complain "Oh man that guy sucks, he's always spamming canon jutsus" But how many time have you heard the term "spamming customs" thrown around?

    By your OWN admission canon techniques are weaker than customs. So how is using customs and using canons showing the same skill exactly?




    Canon only IS true skill. For various reasons that I can explain to you if you'd like. BUt what I'm really interested in is in bold. You can no longer say that. YOU said customs are stronger. Stronger= better. You have just disagreed with Lili. If i have a brand new hammer made of the best material and you have a stick and were trying to hammer in a nail. Does it really matter what tools we have at that point?




    If using a custom DOESNT show skill then what are you here defending exactly?
    Quote Originally Posted by Gildarts Clive View Post
    1st. Did i say i did think that?

    2nd. I guess we agree in most of that part. But, again with the comparing, it's rather vague. Customs and Cannons are both techniques, guns and knifes, are two diferent objects, if you'd had mentioned 2 diferent types of guns, then it would've made more sense, so there's the flaw in your reasoning.

    3rd. To show understanding of the basics obviously, that they arent allowed to use customs doesn't mean that using them doesn't show skill. Yes, he would have won, but lili had more pressure on him than he did on her. And Broly, if you spam Cannons..you spam cannons. Because like i already said for the 3rd time, they are ALL techniques/elements, they are all meant to be used in battle. However since some are customs, people can't find a proper counter depending on the situation, therefor they lose and complain "Oh man that guy sucks, he spammed customs" um..LOL he did not, he just made use of the techniques at his disposal, customs are also techniques meant to be used in battle. Wich means that the person who lost is a sore loser, wich takes me to the next point, NO ONE wants to lose anymore. (wich is not the main topic right now)
    Quote Originally Posted by Migualon J.J. View Post
    did you just in 1 post say complete opposit of what you said? O__O bolded parts and most importantly underlined ones i mean

    now could you please tell me which one of those i am supposed to consider your opinion?
    Quote Originally Posted by Gildarts Clive View Post
    Both, please, try to think a little, customs (most of the oldies) due carry more strengh, but in the end they are all techniques, it's like 2 cannon techniques, a C rank and an A rank, the A rank carries more strength, doesn't it? but what are they? TECHNIQUES. Both are techniques, regardless of how much strength they have, and all have counters, don't they?





    (The above are just faces you've shown)
    Quote Originally Posted by -Broly- View Post
    1st. No just a little statement for those that might

    2nd. Not entirely, in a broad sense theyre both weapons. 2 types of weapons. Canon and custom are weapons that we use to kill people just like guns and knives, and just like guns and knives they are two different types of weapons. Decay is not the same as fire style. But even so if you have a gun from the 1700's and I have a modern weapon I'd put my money on myself


    3rd But you see you DONT spam canons and even if you did Im pretty sure to EVERYONE else or atleast nearly everyone else has MUCH more of a problem with custom spamming then the great evil that is canon spam. I dont quite understand the second part of your first sentence on your 3rd point. I disagree, while some may be sore losers are you really saying that some people dont have a legitimate reason to be mad at people spamming customs? Its all just sore losers?



    I agree with him. You seem to be flip flopping on your opinions





    Hahahahaah
    The face master
    Quote Originally Posted by Gildarts Clive View Post
    2nd. Alright, so i have a gun from back in 1700, and you have an AK-47 (Sorry, i don't know about guns and stuff), and you start shooting BANG BANG, but i take cover, and in a moment of recharge or whatever, i pop up and shoot you in the head, i won the duel, now give me your money punk. Wich proves my point, it doesn't matter how strong or weak the technique is, cannon or customs, What matters is how you use it.

    3rd. Exactly, no one spams cannons, even though that's all they use in a fight, why? because they are techniques, wich are supposed to be used in battle. The same with customs, since they aren't at the disposal of everybody, they could very well say others might be spamming them, however, they are not, because customs are also techniques meant to be used in battle. What i'm trying to say is, even though customs may or may not be stronger or weaker, they are all techniques, with a counter/weakness. I do agree that if the attacker has only used customs and the defender has only used canon's then they have matched that person by using weaker techniques, thus showing more skill and SHOULD make them the victor. But my point still stands, both are techniques, with weaknesses, it just depends on how we use them, and using either is also showing skill, because you can give an S rank customs to a newbie, and he won't know how to use it. I'm starting to circle around, i starting to lose track of the point >,<
    Quote Originally Posted by -Broly- View Post
    Well for one since guns now can easily blow away concrete, this one is an automatic, and has a large magazine while also taking into consideration guns from 1700 had long reload times and were single shot. I honestly can NEVER see that happening. this has nothing to do with the conversation though. Also if its a duel (which implies were close up) that DEFINETLY wouldnt happen.



    Your generalizing customs too much man. Yes they are the same in the same way that a D rank technique and an S rank technique are the same. I know you want to defend your stance but you cant just generalize them like that because its not true. Your implying that theyre equal but they really arent. I have a custom myself that is S rank earth and can ONLY be destroyed by S rank lightning lol. Thats not equal at all. But the bolded is what this conversation was really about. Which confuses me because you said you agreed with Lili, but Lili was disagreeing with that part

    But also if you gave a newbie an s rank custom of course he wont know but your thinking WAY extreme. If you gave the average skill rp'er allll the customs ever made against a higher skilled opponent with just canons, the mid tier rp'er would blow him away.
    Quote Originally Posted by Typhon View Post
    I havent used many customs in this tournament and Im in the fight for 3rd place. :shrug:
    Quote Originally Posted by Gildarts Clive View Post
    But you get the point there, no? xD

    Bold, equal to what exactly? to cannon techniques? Yes it, there are S rank lightning (cannon) that can destroy it, aren't there?. I agree with these below of what lili said. The rest of her post could very well be true in my opinion, but what i'm interested in is the below stuff.
    Quote Originally Posted by Lili-Chwan View Post
    If someone is cooking using oranges, and someone is cooking using lemons, how can you say who is the better cook? Now, if both are using oranges, you have a constant, and thus, you can judge who's better. It's the same with cannons. Cannons are free to everyone, they're standard techniques. So, when you're judged on your mastery of an element or an ability, they give you the cannon jutsus to work with, not because using cannon shows the skill where customs don't, but because cannons allow us to compare you to all the other people that came before and will come after.

    But if you have someone using cannons, and someone using customs, you can't just apply it the same method. Saying cannons are the only ones that truly show skill is just wrong. They do give you a fixed constant, that is out of the question, but there's skill outside the constant.

    I'm tired of you saying cannons are weak. They're aren't. Here are some of the strongest cannons:

    1. The ability to nearly instantly alter the ground level up to 20 levels, negative or positive, in any range. Earth Release: Moving Earth Core

    2. The ability to burst your opponent into undying flames by sight, where the flames appear immediately on the point of focus. Doujutsu: Amateratsu

    3. The ability to resurrect a dead bio, with all it's jutsus, abilities and KG, with no cost to you and infinite health and chakra to them. Kinjutsu: Impure World Resurrection

    4. Space/Time Teleportation. Flying Thunder God and Doujutsu: Kamui

    5. The ability to summon an immense amount of water, covering the whole terrain. Water Release: Great Exploding Water Colliding Wave

    6. A huge flame that allows you to cover everything in front of you. No usage restriction. Fire Release: Majestic Annihilation

    7. A clone of yourself that is able to use nearly any technique you want, and is indistinguishable from you, and instantly reverts all the information it learned to you. Shadow Clone Technique

    8. The ability to alter your opponent's senses, by charging chakra in their minds. Any Genjutsu

    9. The ability to seal and hold off Bijuu power. Wood Release.

    10. The ability to bring down a massive bolt of lightning at actual light speed. Lightning Release: Kiri

    If we look at jutsus now, they're pretty less powerful in themselves. The only thing is, they're more numerous, and account for more situations than the 400+ cannons. That is the true strength of customs. Because there seems to be a jutsu for every occasion, and that's what leads to defeat. Having more tools for more situations is just another matter of skill. Having less tools and still being able to do it, it's another. Is one better than the other? No. There's still a need to see a situation and know the exact effect one wants, in one case, he/she has the perfect tools, in the other case, he/she has to improvise. It doesn't mean the first can't improvise, he/she just didn't need to. Besides, you can control pretty much any fight with the cannon jutsus. If you can't, it means you're not skilled enough.

    Of course, there are exceptions. Sound is severely overpowered, with instant effects (That simply can't happen due to sound's speed of motion, which makes sounds techniques unblockable without cost, making it OP in my book). Med jutsu, the way it is handled currently, is also severely overpowered, with nearly infinite healing abilities and protection. These are somethings that need fixing, but I can assure you there aren't anymore customs being approved at the level of the cannons I mentioned in the 10.

    But of course, there are exceptions.
    Quote Originally Posted by -Broly- View Post
    lol eh somewhat.

    No your looking at it wrong. There is a custom that was recently made that can only be destroyed by s rank lightning. What canon do you know thats like that? Canon and custom are not equal in the slightest

    For the first quote I mean yeah i cant argue that they all have weaknesses and strengths whether fair or not (like the earth custom from above) is a different story and alot of them do NOT have fair weaknesses.

    but by saying that customs are indeed stronger than canon jutsus you disagreed with the second part. If theyre stronger theyre obviously better. Then you implied that using customs DOESNT show skill to mig earlier. So which is it?
    Quote Originally Posted by General Teno View Post
    Well.. There is that move that can destroy everything the size of ny.
    But than again those rpers dont even rp no more. so as far as im concern.. OP customs dont exist no more
    now when you got players like.. Roku, Scary, Izuna, Bishamon, Etc wanting to join battles for ****s and giggles and say "I wont be holding back" THEN i expect complaining.. cause either wayy .. we`re screwed. LMAO!



    Lmao!!!
    I agree... I can imagine him coming and looking at spars...

    "...Rock Mountain Smash......... Kirin.......... Rasen.. SHIRUKEN?!?!?! and these guys are still with alot of chakra? Well call me kubo tite cause they pulled a fast one on my manga.. these are what we called OPdness" LMAO!

    Disagree to the highest...
    Most Customs are from other animes.. actually MOST of them are... so there is no knowledge in seeing another move on another anime. and converting it into a custom...



    Hmm.. Im thinking about having them custom ban everybody. D
    lol I keed. Anyways.. It dont take skill to use customs nor make them. Just a mind. and be slightly creative..
    what i can say though is.. Most customs i came across have cannon counters.. take it from a guy who been custom banned for 3 months and fight people with customs all the time and never lost to a custom. >_>

    OT: It all depends really.... since im custom banned.. I dont like people being restricted to cannon only.. Its more of a challange.. and nothing is better to me than saying you beat somebody using cannon as they used customs badly

    BUT there is a thing where CE come into play..
    No offense to mathias but Blazing Earth... I feel that should have never got approved.. I havent looked to deep into the CE. but you pretty much have a Strength and a Weakness in one.. You use water on blazing fire.. you have the earth to deal with... but you also got wave of inspiration.. to add to water to kill it. So eh.. Alot of CE are the things people should worry about...
    Quote Originally Posted by Gildarts Clive View Post
    Are you telling me, that there are no S rank lightning cannon techniques?

    No no señor, that a technique is stronger does not mean it's better. It means it carries more strength behind it, but if used wrong, it won't matter would it? wich takes be back..again..it's not the technique that matters, it's how you use it. Atleast that's how i see it, and i think we all have diferent opinions on the matter. And i never implied that, Mig said "it's not skill to USE CJ" referring to the line i posted about Scorps, so i asked him, if that sentence said "does it say using a custom shows skill? Does it?" , asking him if those words were on that sentence, in no way did i meant to say that using customs doesn't show skill, if you read it that way, sorry.



    We all know that many people create customs out of their imagination, don't we? Lili for example, as far as i know, she came up with most of her Genjutsu customs, and You teno, for example this custom of yours (Yusaburu enjin) Earth Style: Rock Rings did you think of it, or is it from a diferent anime/manga?
    Quote Originally Posted by Lili-Chwan View Post
    Also, although the phrase: "He's spamming cannons" isn't used, there have been many complains about Sharingan, Sound, Med Jutsu, Fuuinjutsu, Zetsu abilities, Sage Mode, EIG, etc etc. Customs are just frowned upon because they seem stronger, and because they started to give rise to many OP-Cannon wannabes. Just like the first, the customs have been restricted, but the prejudice remains.

    The generalization was made because of the distinction between what's created in the universe of Naruto, and what's created in the universe of NB. So, people directed their hate of the OP-Cannon wannabes to all customs, and thus the phrase, "He's spamming customs", which just reveals extreme lack of intelligence and creativity. Sorry 'bout that
    Quote Originally Posted by General Teno View Post
    @ Lili. I dont want to quote you cause thats too long. But I actually do agree with you to a point...

    There is two ways I judge people on fighting

    1. Being on even grounds as me. Meaning Canon only. Using what kishi gives us.. This is not really OUR power but borrowed power we learn to master.. so in a way.. who is better at martial arts.. you... or I

    2. Your own power. Meaning.. CE, CJ, CW, CFS.. And all.. all that YOU CREATED. and how well you murder people with your own.. to be honest this is the measure of TRUE strength to me. when somebody goes all out then you know... thats the person strongest.. I say.. if a person dont go 100% (And by limiting cannon is making them hold back) then you really never seen a person give their all.. I think restricting people stuff is a cheat (to me anyways) cause there is no pride... ..lets say.... Me killing Izuna Uchiha... Knowing he didnt even release his Custom MS.. and even go about 40% on me..
    Quote Originally Posted by -Broly- View Post
    1st Bold WHICH IS WHYYYY im trying to tell everyone that canon only is the only way to show true skill. The constant is the jutsus the measurements are clear. I mean this is the perfect analogy that proves that canon only is the way to go. I thank you for this Lili. Anyway im not sure whether your trying to help me or what but whatever ill just keep reading.

    @2nd paragraph/bold ah I see but this ALLLL goes back to what Gildarts said "customs are stronger than canon" this is an almost undenaible fact. Which ties back to what riku said "if you are evenly matched agaisnt an opponent using weaker techniques then the one using weaker techniques is more skilled" Im paraphrasing there but he certainly said that. As long as we agree on the premise that customs are indeed stronger than canon, your argument has no basis.

    3rd bold. Ill quit rp'ing right here and now if you can find where i said that canons are weak. I'll give you my account too. Why in the world would I (a person who mainly uses canon) say that canon is weak?

    4th bold want me to show you 10 WAY stronger customs? like i said we can go find the top 20 strongest canon and i guarentee you that if i find the top 20 custom that they will be stronger


    5th bold YES it is. Doing more with less? Of course thats better. If i do exactly what you did with less tools OF COURSE im better


    6th bold I think people are missing my point. What im saying is that if , like in your fight, someone has mainly used customs and the opponent has used canon to either evenly match, or make it super close. Then clearly the person who did it with canons should win.





    No
    Your grabbing straws and you know it. You can ALSO misuse a canon technique. But customs are stronger point blank.
    So why didnt you just say yes when mig asked you lol


    *are stronger, even Gildarts Clive admitted it

    Anyway I'm almost sure thats wrong. Theres no way to prove it either way but Im almost sure custom spam is more of a problem

    2nd bold Because one of those things was created by the maker of naruto and the other was approved by fans that THINK it could happen in naruto. The very core of this sounds like you think canons are equal to customs. Is this what you think?
    Quote Originally Posted by Gildarts Clive View Post
    Bold, true.

    @General people viewing the thread, if you guys would post your input, i'd appriciate it, even though i never actually role-played with my bios (with cero training) i do read a lot of fights, and like to hear opinions.
    Quote Originally Posted by General Teno View Post
    Hmm. I actually have to agree.. And the only person people say spam Zetsu Techs are about Vincent.. . I never seen somebody used EIG to be honest and once seen Sage mode. but than again. I dont see the problem with people using something they got.. I mean.. why have it .. if you dont use it... Is it a trophy to some people? Cause no offense.. If im fighting in a regular spar and i feel like its a good fight but ish getting reall. Ima release them mtf gats and go afternoon tiger on that ass.



    I said majority. lol
    but all of my customs came from imagination. I just pretty much throw some things together and hope it gets approved.. D I can give you the orgin for all mines

    Rock Rings: I actually got the core idea from dragon ball z.. but then thought... (I have nowhere to pin there person up against... ) So in a way.. I was inspired by dragon ball z (A move) but tweeked it..... ALOT. LOL

    Rock Boulders :was probally a prime example. I thought of crushing a rock to small pieces just to make the rocks boulder size and way bigger. (And to me thats actually an OP tech.. Cause chidori senbon would work but you still got raining rocks on you so tehe) Most of my scorch jutsus

    Blazing Formation: Thats just something I thought of out the ass. And it got approved. at that point i wanted anything to get approved.. never used it in battle. but power to anybody who can think of a way to use it. D

    Water Helmet: This was actually something i came with on the spot. I actually fought somebody... And they did a water orb and let the orb stay active till i drown.. I then created that.. so i can do the same...

    Scorch Body : Pretty much the same as water replacement. Except mines has drawbacks
    Scorch Explosion : Just though of Vegeta explosion..
    Scorch Clone: No different than scorch body excpept Its not me.. but a clone
    Scorch Orb: .. Hmm..... I just wanted people to know not to get within short range of me...

    Soo.... in my defense.... Most things that are custom made are from other or inspired by other animes
    Quote Originally Posted by Lili-Chwan View Post
    Alright then. I accept both your challenges. Let's start with the first. After you loose, I allow you to keep your bio and account until we settle the second. Moving on, your premise is, and I quote:



    Which means, correct me if I'm wrong, canon are stronger than customs, correct?
    Quote Originally Posted by -Broly- View Post
    For all intents and purposes Le Broly is done arguing for the night. I'll pick it back up in the morning if I'm up to it but ill continue to read and maybe even post if I feel like it. However theres too many wallies goin on and I think Ive left enough material for people to think on
    Quote Originally Posted by -Broly- View Post
    And if they are does that mean that I said that canons are weak? One guy can lift 400 pounds, another can lift 380
    the first one is stronger but is the other guy weak?
    And yes you are wrong btw
    I said customs are stronger
    your saying canon are stronger
    Quote Originally Posted by Migualon J.J. View Post
    ...how about we stop this war between Custom and Cannon techs? I mean, this is supposed to discuss this tournament that ended, not talk about Cannon and Custom techs. so, let's just stop or take this to VM or PM or just create new thread for this topic if you really want to, i gave my opinion i am happy
    Quote Originally Posted by -Broly- View Post
    Indeed, as I said before the oldies tend to for some reason or another NEVER understand and the newer gen (or atleast I) will never understand them
    Quote Originally Posted by Lili-Chwan View Post
    Well, weakness is relative. For all intends and purposes, we're pitting cannons against customs, thus, if one is weaker than the other, in the universe of Cannons and Customs, one is the strong one and the other is the weak one. You were the one who chose to generalize, and so, stick with your argument. In fact, in a debate where your whole argument is customs are stronger than cannons, one can only deduct that cannons are weak. If we want to enter in specifications, then you need to drop the very premise that "makes by arguments base-less".

    Now, as for the list, please provide it, and I'll respond to them. Not here, since Riku closed the subject. I'd love to discuss it somewhere else, but I don't really know where to put this topic. Maybe in the Rules and Info section?
    Quote Originally Posted by -Broly- View Post
    As you said, weakness is relative. One doesnt have to be weak and one doesnt have to be strong. When your view is narrowed to the view where you only see black and white, north and south, and never the area in between you get the view that i believe you currently have. When you open your eyes and see that not only did i not type down the words "Canon is weak" which you said that i said. And which I said that you could not find me saying (which you cant because i never typed that and your resorting to twisting words around) but you will also see that customs are simply stronger. Theres no argument or debate there. Ill find 10 and vm them to you with links or something.
    Quote Originally Posted by Lili-Chwan View Post
    . To answer to your previous question, yes, the guy that can only lift 380 pounds is weak. For him to be strong, we need to throw a third person in the mix, who lifts say 300. Then he is the weak, and the others are the strong. You didn't type the words "Cannon is weak", but if you didn't believe that, then there wouldn't be a debate, because we'd all agree, as I do, that customs and cannons are the same "strength", it's the skill in using them that changes. So, if a person is pressing the other, customs or not, then he is the better fighter if, and only if, he can sustain that situation longer than his opponent. If one is using cannons to defend but can't turn the flow around, then he is a weaker fighter, though cannons, unless he is using more chakra to defend than the opponent is using to attack, are pretty much renewable, so it's likely that he can turn things at the end.


    I suggest, for the next tournament, that we keep the no loosers bracket method. I like the sense that you need to win everything in order to get prizes.
    Quote Originally Posted by -Broly- View Post
    Actually no your wrong but I see what your trying to do. In a comparative way you COULD say he is weak but you could also say he's not as strong as the first man. You can also simply say that the first man is stronger than the other. Which is very different from saying he's weak. Same thing here. Customs are stronger than canon, and yes there is no debate on that. I dont feel like typing it for the 10000th time but i know you can make the rest of the connections from that to what nagato and riku said.

    @bold you think that customs and canon are the same strength. Is this what the desire to defend something untrue has brought you to believe? Or is this a lie to save face? We'd all like to live in the world where "an unskilled person with a kunai can be defeated by a skilled person with a pebble" oh yeah we'd love to believe that and sometimes we fool ourselves into believing that its true. But life's not like a manga, and its not a fairy tale. Things arent like that.

    Theres no use arguing the rest of it with you because the fundamental premis of our understanding (whether or not customs are stronger than canon) is different. Therefore it is impossible to build an understanding on anything else

    I'm kind of iffy on the losers bracket, the fact that the 3rd place winner of the last tourny was from the losers bracket makes me want one though. Also you can see that a loosers bracket is succesful because he beat the very same person that put him out the 2nd time around.
    Quote Originally Posted by General Teno View Post
    Hmmm
    I say broly win because of.. PUMPKIN PIE!

    OT: The loser bracket was meh. dont care for it much.. But I think tournys like these should be held often.. to keep the rp going
    Quote Originally Posted by Typhon View Post
    I don't think the activity level of the RP should be reliant on these tournaments. These should be more of an aside. Also too frequent tournaments would lead to an over abundance of some of the prizes.

    Thats one thing I would like changed in the next one, a smaller prize pool. Im just a little worried that things like this coupled with village tournies might make things like curse marks or sound or EIG far too common when they're supposed to be rare.
    Quote Originally Posted by Nagato.. View Post
    Dude I swear I said the same thing the other day. Tournaments are kind of handing out prizes like candy. I hear alot of peoplebrag about all the kinds of powerups they are going to get inside their villages and I kind of get upset at the fact people base there RP productivity over relying on cheap village prizes. Everyone and their momma has sound release and Curse Marks now. I really think we need to speak to the mods or Nexus and have some of these village tournaments and such postponed for a while for things to balance out.
    Quote Originally Posted by Reborn View Post
    Tournaments like this I find it understandable to have the prizes that they do seeing as there are no restrictions and everybody proves their worth as an RPer to get the prizes. However certian things like EIG I don't think should be a prize in a tournament. Last I remember or at least this is what i heard, the masters of EIG got to pick their students and it wasn't a prized based thing. You had to be evaluated. Also since it's possibly the highest level of canon Taijutsu ability, the people who recieve it should be people whom demonstrate a high degree of taijutsu prowess. Somebody can make it through a tournament without using taijutsu at all and still get that prize.

    I've been hearing about villages getting EIG as a prize option, as well as sound and what not. There's an over abundance of tournaments too. There's one village tourny and then a few weeks later I'll hear about another one happening with even more ridiculous prizes such as Kinjutsu, Sound, and CM.

    This is a little off topic since it's dealing with not an open RP tournament like this one, but I feel it needs to be addressed as well. There doesn't need to be a village tourny every few weeks within shot of one another. I thought that would be something that was anual or biaunual and there was only a prize for the winner, not 1st, 2nd, and 3rd. Maybe a runner up prize, but nothing that's too gifting. As said before, it makes abilities like CM and Sound less special if everybody has them. Everybody should have a fair shot at them, however those shots shouldn't be so easy to take.

    As far as grand tournaments like this or special tournaments, I feel the prizes should go to a lesser margin of finalists and certian themed prizes shouldn't be options. EIG or another ability that pertains to a specific area of combat where those who recieve them should be required to demonstrate excellence in that field, shouldn't be included.
    Quote Originally Posted by Serpent View Post
    I Liked Sound Release more when the only way of obtaining it was with a Sound Tournament that happened every 6 months to a year.

    I to agree that Village Tournaments are getting out of hand and that they should be put on hold for awhile.
    Quote Originally Posted by Flash07 View Post
    Putting a hold on village tournaments would make the activities in the villages die out >_> (specially in the villages where there are fewer members)

    I say just have prizes like leg weights,cm etc. for the village tourneys.
    Quote Originally Posted by Enzup View Post
    I'm saying loser's bracket should be added b'coz a person who deserves to get high position in tourney may end up getting KO in first round. For instance, lets say, what if Serpent and Lili were matched up against each other in Round 1? Would the one who will lose among these would've got the 2nd position like they will get now? Nope. They would've just ended up criticizing their fate or maybe not. But if the loser's bracket is added then the person who deserves 2nd position in tourney can still get it even after losing in round 1 to best person, by defeating everyone in loser's bracket.
    Take an example of tourneys happening in RL, like La liga, what if the tourney is made to be KO tourney and Barcelona and Real Madrid are made to fight in first match. Would the loser of the match, who deserves the 2nd position in tourney will get it? Nope. Why? Because "seeding" is done in those tourneys. So they never end up against each other in early rounds. Seeding is done in every tourney.

    So I suggest that either seeding should be done in the tourneys or loser's bracket should be added.








    Agreed.
    Quote Originally Posted by Serpent View Post
    The Village System shouldn't be so Dull without the tournaments..

    The Kage of a Village should set up different events and mission's that will keep villagers busy. If a Kage is not active to do so then someone else should be elected Kage.
    Quote Originally Posted by 'Kurapika View Post
    I agree with this.
    Also, I think it would be nice if there could be medals for 2nd and 3rd place. I know a lot of people take part in tournaments to show their skill/prove themselves instead of hunting for rare abilities.


    When I made the thread I figured one of two things would happen: people would either turn the thread into a discussion about some random generalization in the RP involving power or they would simply complain or find a way to almost complain about the judgings of the fight. Guess I was right on from the get-go on both. lol

    I appreciate the kind words and the overall positive feedback. I mean, even Teno says it was good so I believe it was a good tournament. I liked some ideas, like the sub forum for tournaments only. Seems a good clean idea tbh. Dunno if it may be feasible but I'll talk to Nexus about it. As for the discussion thread for issues, its true some members did end up calling out on petty issues yes but that will always happen. I was testing the system that might be used for wars in the future. Not only that but this way we avoid something that is quite hard to deal with in tournaments and other serious fights: members flaming eachother personally. When you try to deal with too many issues on vms/pms or worse, msn, you tend to cause much more problems than those you resolve. And, in the end, 60% of the time you end up with a personal grudge against that same person. This way, the discussion is indirect and as such, you have no arguing in personal terms. It also helps us, tremendously I must add, to view what was behind each move to help us rule. I also liked the 3 medals idea and will be suggesting it in the near future. ^^

    Well, regarding the tournament, it seems its a no win situation regardless of what we do in certain aspects.

    -If we reduce the time of reply to 48 hours or even 24, people will complain its too short. In this case, with a single elimination tournament I figured that allowing people more time to reply would avoid people losing for some random real life issue, since losing would mean losing...period. I wasn't, however, I admit, expecting that people would take advantage of the time limits and such. People don't try to win fair, thats a given in some cases.

    -If we add a losers bracket, the tournament is much bigger and thus much slower. Not only that but to "reduce" the losers bracket absence issue, the prize pool for this huge tournament was much bigger than normal. This way, even if you lost once in the higher rounds of the tournament you wouldn't be left without a prize. I would agree that a tournament bracket was needed if we had like 3 prizes for the 3 high places. But like this it only adds too much time and trouble to a tournament.

    -People complain that things like EIG, Sound, etc are too rare and too inacessible and that getting it generally involves some kind of friend connection. That was one of the reasons behind a generous prize pool in late tournaments. You cna't have it both ways. Either its acessible or it isn't. Let me remind you that many people who are complaining in this thread about customs or about other issues relating to "power" are the ones who complain things like Yin/yang or EIG or Sound are scarce. The community needs to figure out what it wants, otherwise we can't work. If we have generous prizes, its too easy to get them. If we have too much restriction in the prizes, people complain no one can get them.

    -Bios and prizes. This is laughable. When I made the tournament and put that condition tons of people complained because it was unfair. Unfair? So, lets say that I have an MS bio and enter the tournament and win if using MS and all of its power and chose as a prize EIG...which is a prize only non kg bios can have. Would that be fair? If you want something bio bound, you need to gain it with a bio that can have it. Otherwise, it doesn't make sense. Imagine I have a Nagato bio and rampage through the tournament to win a 7sm sword, EIG and sound for my other bio? Would that make sense? The bio that would be wielding the power didn't even step foot in battle for the power. Sorry, but again, people can't have it both ways. And, if it depends on me, this will be what will happen in the tournaments from here on out. I don't like the concept of someone winning something at the expense of another power that is unrelated. It also brings some balance to the tournament. If you want to win EIG, you'll need to enter with a non KG bio right? Thus, you'll need to fight that much harder to get to the top. It makes using powerful bios less desirable.

    -3 Judges and judging. In this last rounds I had difficulty picking winners thus why I asked help from fellow mods. But its not feasible to have 3 mods checkings 32 battles in one night. Mainly because its impossible to have us all available for it. Thus why it wasn't used in the first matches. Adding to that, lets not forget that if we had a losers bracket with such a size, we'd have 2 consecutive rounds of 32 fights to judge. As for judging, people talk every single tournament about it and how its subjective and how it doesn't follow the same principle, etc etc. Well, thats something that its in the users hand to avoid. Nagato asked what does it take to win. Duh... Win! defeat your opponent! kill him! Basically, there is only one way to win...that is winning. You are in a tournament not to have an RP-like fight with tons of details and minor moves and etc...no. You're in the tournament to WIN. So, win it! If both parties cant' win then they simply need to accept the judging done on their fights. Riku, Dante, Vincent, Jinbei, Xylon, Passion, Kiritsugu were all instructed as they became mods on how to check a fight. How to grade it so to speak. It follows some guidelines (that I will not divulge) which makes it a very simple and organized process. In essence its about the "feel of the fight" amongst other things. But to avoid being on the hands to the big bad mods, simply win.

    -Regarding the customs and cannons and skill. Lili explained it quite well, so did Riku. When we need to find the skill of an individual with the use of a certain ability, we need to allow him the use of the same weapons as his opponent and see how he comes out of it. If you want to show the skill of someones use of earth, you can't allow him the use of earth customs unless both parties have access to the same earth customs. Since 99% of the custom set up each person has is unique to them and they end up having access to different ones, you cannot grade skill if you don't put them in the same "level". Thus why bio tests remove the custom variation all together. This, however, doesn't mean anything regarding the fact that a person who uses customs is less skilled than a person who uses cannons or vice versa. Techniques are tools, nothing more. You can't blame the tool for the skill of those who wield it. Example could be Water Explosion and Izuna. While the custom was made by Hells, no one used it with more skill and ability than Izuna. Or for example, my Lazy Fist. As good as I am with it, Lili is better. The tool, even to the one created, is nothing but a tool dependent on his or her skill to wield it. Customs aren't stronger than Cannons. They are, however, 99% of the time, designed for a much more precise use in certain situations. When you make a custom, you make it for example to counter a specific technique or to provide a better battle field to use others, etc etc. Cannon techniques are, for the most part, voided of such precise use. They are more generic and more simple. Doesn't mean, however, they are weak. Many things that are cannon are of a power level that you cannot simply compare to the customs approved. As for Decay, -Broly- its nothing more than a fire that deconstructs. You have 2 characters in the manga that have an energy that pulverizes matter and energy into nothing... Dust Release. How is decay something that Kishi would laugh about when he has things like Dust Release? But all of this is besides the point. Tournaments are all out because, where would you have the chance to use your real power, your real "all out" persona, if not in a tournament? Tournament means you play to win, thus all your power, all your abilities are called into action. Its not about holding back... Its about winning. Those who complain about customs are either hypocrites that secretly yearn to have powerful abilities but never had the ability to make them or simply frustrated that they can't attain some of those abilities for themselves. And I've said this more than once. Its not the first time. And I'm not pointing fingers. I'm just pointing out that if these who complain about customs were given strong, good, powerful customs, they wouldn't complain. They complain, because they don't have them. Simple. As for skill and customs, I believe that its a showcase of knowledge on a given field to make a good custom of that same field. Someone who makes a very very good earth custom is 90% of the time more knowledgable of earth that someone who submits variations of things done before or cannons. Doesn't mean, however, the person is better at using it than some other. However, Customs VS Cannons isn't the core here. The core is to win and pressure and get the upper hand in the fight, be it by what means it may be.

    -Restriction of those who enter the tournament. In this case, some people complain about the "having basic 5 mastered" restriction. But the reason is simple... balance. You know for a given that people who are skilled and powerful will enter the tournament. People with only 2 or 3 elements mastered, no gen or ninjutsu or tai may not even be able to make a single move. It would mean that spots would be filled with people who have no ability to win out of the get-go. Thus the restriction.

    I think I haven't missed any point.
     
         
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enzup View Post
    I'm saying loser's bracket should be added b'coz a person who deserves to get high position in tourney may end up getting KO in first round. For instance, lets say, what if Serpent and Lili were matched up against each other in Round 1? Would the one who will lose among these would've got the 2nd position like they will get now? Nope. They would've just ended up criticizing their fate or maybe not. But if the loser's bracket is added then the person who deserves 2nd position in tourney can still get it even after losing in round 1 to best person, by defeating everyone in loser's bracket.
    Take an example of tourneys happening in RL, like La liga, what if the tourney is made to be KO tourney and Barcelona and Real Madrid are made to fight in first match. Would the loser of the match, who deserves the 2nd position in tourney will get it? Nope. Why? Because "seeding" is done in those tourneys. So they never end up against each other in early rounds. Seeding is done in every tourney.

    So I suggest that either seeding should be done in the tourneys or loser's bracket should be added.
    Yea, its true! It could have been me vs Lili in the final..lol

    Damn you LOK..^^
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scorps View Post

    -People complain that things like EIG, Sound, etc are too rare and too inaccessible and that getting it generally involves some kind of friend connection. That was one of the reasons behind a generous prize pool in late tournaments. You can't have it both ways. Either its accessible or it isn't. Let me remind you that many people who are complaining in this thread about customs or about other issues relating to "power" are the ones who complain things like Yin/yang or EIG or Sound are scarce. The community needs to figure out what it wants, otherwise we can't work. If we have generous prizes, its too easy to get them. If we have too much restriction in the prizes, people complain no one can get them.


    -3 Judges and judging. In this last rounds I had difficulty picking winners thus why I asked help from fellow mods. But its not feasible to have 3 mods checkings 32 battles in one night. Mainly because its impossible to have us all available for it. Thus why it wasn't used in the first matches. Adding to that, lets not forget that if we had a losers bracket with such a size, we'd have 2 consecutive rounds of 32 fights to judge. As for judging, people talk every single tournament about it and how its subjective and how it doesn't follow the same principle, etc etc. Well, thats something that its in the users hand to avoid. Nagato asked what does it take to win. Duh... Win! defeat your opponent! kill him! Basically, there is only one way to win...that is winning. You are in a tournament not to have an RP-like fight with tons of details and minor moves and etc...no. You're in the tournament to WIN. So, win it! If both parties cant' win then they simply need to accept the judging done on their fights. Riku, Dante, Vincent, Jinbei, Xylon, Passion, Kiritsugu were all instructed as they became mods on how to check a fight. How to grade it so to speak. It follows some guidelines (that I will not divulge) which makes it a very simple and organized process. In essence its about the "feel of the fight" amongst other things. But to avoid being on the hands to the big bad mods, simply win.
    Those who complain about customs are either hypocrites that secretly yearn to have powerful abilities but never had the ability to make them or simply frustrated that they can't attain some of those abilities for themselves. And I've said this more than once. Its not the first time. And I'm not pointing fingers. I'm just pointing out that if these who complain about customs were given strong, good, powerful customs, they wouldn't complain. They complain, because they don't have them. Simple.
    I think I haven't missed any point.
    I myself have alot of power ups that I have accumulated in the past few months, and I have no say in the "I cant achieve abilities convo". But I kinda think these two points need to be merged into one lol

    (Off topic)I dont think having access to these prizes in the tournament like this is a problem, but its the smaller village tournaments that seem to undermine what the Grand RP stands for and a lot of people abuse that. This was the first tournament I actually was able to enjoy myself and not be ready to punch someones face in (has to do with how I conduct myself too). But I like the road were headed in and I think with the addition to adding those prizes to large tournaments such as this one balances it out, only if the village tournaments aren't looking to add in all the same power ups every other week. When you say the community needs to figure out what it wants, I think those who seek powerful things would like to see everyone face off in large tournaments like this for it, rather than hearing about how other people abuse the system inside of a village to acquire all the same prizes within 2-3 weeks. Maybe we can do something about that?
     
         

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    OR!
    If you guys want to put it that way
    Limit the amount of stuff a bio can get

    Ex. 1 KG and One Special thing. AKA Cm, Sound, Rain, EIG, Smoke. ETC. that would really balance things. or Two special things...
    OT: I actually think sound should be avaliable for just a simple bio like smoke. Cause I been wanting a sound bio for about a year... and its not falling into my hands man.
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by Téno View Post
    OR!
    If you guys want to put it that way
    Limit the amount of stuff a bio can get

    Ex. 1 KG and One Special thing. AKA Cm, Sound, Rain, EIG, Smoke. ETC. that would really balance things. or Two special things...
    OT: I actually think sound should be avaliable for just a simple bio like smoke. Cause I been wanting a sound bio for about a year... and its not falling into my hands man.
    And this is right here ^^ is how more restrictions come about. Then people complain about mods being overly strict and too many rules being enforced.
     
         

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    I think this was a decent tournament and was organised properly. I suggest in the upcoming future that a tournament be created with only only canon jutsu allowed and no customs.This would improve one knowledge in canon and help them toto improve on it. Improve, as we all canon jutsu are one of the roots which every rper originated from/learned. That would put an end to all the cj complaint.
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nagato.. View Post
    And this is right here ^^ is how more restrictions come about. Then people complain about mods being overly strict and too many rules being enforced.

    Nagato.. Im sure everybody on NB agrees. that Not everybody will be pleased with everything
    I say Appeal to the majority... Or simply say suck eggs if u dont like it. lol
    Its a matter of suggestion though. Iono what to say on that matter to be honest
     
         

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    This is a sidebar but I think that every person who's bio doesn't conform to the current rules should be forced to update and conform. Why the hell do they get perks because they've been here longer? Old people can go out and commit a crime because they were alive before a new law came out. Anyway back on topic

    As for what nagato said I agree with what your saying to a point. On one hand yes maybe village tournies are held too much but otherwise how do we bridge the enormous powergap between members. Remember how it was before the village tournies? It was like everyone was stuck in a rut with tournies where only the strong got stronger and the newer ones were just watching unable to catch up. Now your beginning to see newer members bridge the gap in power, your seeing them get further in tournaments. But I suppose this goes against your ideal that we shouldn't gain strength in village tournies. But honestly, without them I see no other way.
     
         

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    Re: [Grand RP Tournament] Xmas Edition - Feedback and Discussion

    Umm
    If you really want me to be honest
    for village tournys. I simply say only give out on prize to the main winner. and the winner of the previous tourny cant partcipate

    OR!!! have 3 dif tournys for 3 dif rp group. and have 1 judge for each..
    but if you really really REALLY want my output. I think village tournys should be constructed in a way where it prepares us for war. Not just about prizes.... I would join a tourny just to fight w/o prizes
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scorps View Post

    When I made the thread I figured one of two things would happen: people would either turn the thread into a discussion about some random generalization in the RP involving power or they would simply complain or find a way to almost complain about the judgings of the fight. Guess I was right on from the get-go on both. lol

    I appreciate the kind words and the overall positive feedback. I mean, even Teno says it was good so I believe it was a good tournament.
    After this point I went into fits of laughter due to which I could not read further. My apologies.
     
         

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    After this point I went into fits of laughter due to which I could not read further. My apologies.

    what was funny about it?
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunderbolt View Post
    I think this was a decent tournament and was organised properly. I suggest in the upcoming future that a tournament be created with only only canon jutsu allowed and no customs.This would improve one knowledge in canon and help them toto improve on it. Improve, as we all canon jutsu are one of the roots which every rper originated from/learned. That would put an end to all the cj complaint.
    For some reason. The mods, scorps or whoever makes the tournaments simply REFUSE to do this. The reason? Cowardice? Fear? Greed? (perhaps all 3) however for whatever reason they simply choose to say that I and whoever else wants a canon only tournament is just a sore loser or as scorps said, jealous of those with customs (jealous of text LOL) instead of perhaps seeing the truth. I will tell you this, no matter how many people ask they will refuse over and over and over. Whenever a valid reason is brought up to have it they'll just make up another reason why it shouldn't, not even once.
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by -Broly- View Post
    For some reason. The mods, scorps or whoever makes the tournaments simply REFUSE to do this. The reason? Cowardice? Fear? Greed? (perhaps all 3) however for whatever reason they simply choose to say that I and whoever else wants a canon only tournament is just a sore loser or as scorps said, jealous of those with customs (jealous of text LOL) instead of perhaps seeing the truth. I will tell you this, no matter how many people ask they will refuse over and over and over. Whenever a valid reason is brought up to have it they'll just make up another reason why it shouldn't, not even once.
    Oh my... Now that you said, we simply must do a cannon tournament.
     
         

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    It was a very well organized tournament.Like others have suggested,we need to bring down the time limit for replying to 2 days like the last GRPT.If one of the opponent can't reply in the 2 day time limit he can be granted a grace day,provided he/she gives a good reason.
    I have a suggestion for a next tournament.A cannon NB tournament,where the bio you need to enter the tourney must be a cannon character bio.
     
         

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    Whether you did one to just shut me up, prove me wrong, or whatever reason I'd be very happy if that happened lol. If I got put out of that tourney early I wouldn't care. Because if just one older rp'er got beat by a newer rp'er in that tourney my point would be validated and all the arguing will not have been in vain
     
         

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    Re: [Grand RP Tournament] Xmas Edition - Feedback and Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Igneel View Post
    It was a very well organized tournament.Like others have suggested,we need to bring down the time limit for replying to 2 days like the last GRPT.If one of the opponent can't reply in the 2 day time limit he can be granted a grace day,provided he/she gives a good reason.
    I have a suggestion for a next tournament.A cannon NB tournament,where the bio you need to enter the tourney must be a cannon character bio.
    And only one person with any one cannon charachter. Meaning there could be only one Kakashi or Naruto or likes.
    Would be awesome O__O
     
         

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    And only one person with any one cannon charachter. Meaning there could be only one Kakashi or Naruto or likes.
    Would be awesome O__O
    Or just canon and no kg
     
         

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    Re: [Grand RP Tournament] Xmas Edition - Feedback and Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by -Broly- View Post
    For some reason. The mods, scorps or whoever makes the tournaments simply REFUSE to do this. The reason? Cowardice? Fear? Greed? (perhaps all 3) however for whatever reason they simply choose to say that I and whoever else wants a canon only tournament is just a sore loser or as scorps said, jealous of those with customs (jealous of text LOL) instead of perhaps seeing the truth. I will tell you this, no matter how many people ask they will refuse over and over and over. Whenever a valid reason is brought up to have it they'll just make up another reason why it shouldn't, not even once.
    No offense. You are the man with the master plan
    but the whole point of this being the GRAND RP TOURNY is more so like saying

    NB #1 RP Tournament.

    to me it speaks for itself.. No holding back

    I dont think its out of fear or nothing.. But honestly think about it. when can somebody actually use EIG.. people dont want to use strong stuff when not needed... Stuff like this gives people the opportunity to pretty much exploit all their strong suits

    a Canon only Grand Rp Tourny should NEVER take place. As when you say Grand RP.. I think of.. the best are here to fight...Thats just like telling somebody who knows alot of sex tricks.. but you talking to your homeboy and he dont know any tricks. so you guys say.. lets have sex in the same position with the same girl and see whos better at sex... There is no pride in that cause you didnt even whip out your good tricks. get me? lol
     
         
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