Obito was not at his best against Minato

[Omnipotent]

Simply put.

What happened to his Mangekyou Sharingan? What happened to this beast that took down Kiri's ANBU with neg-diff? What happened to his mokuton?!:

Obito was basically handicapped by plot during that fight. His chakra reserves were being drained by controlling Kurama , he didn't use his Mangekyou Sharingan, he didn't display mokuton (that kamui-mokuton combo was awesome), and where was Zetsu?!

It can even be said that Konan gave Obito a harder time than Minato did, as Obito had another sharingan eye at that point, and Konan forced him to use izanagi to save himself. And that was an older, much more experienced Obito.

[TheSages456]

obito did use kamui.

[Omnipotent]

obito did use kamui.

Yeah, he always does.
But look at his first time using Mangekyou Sharingan and that combo with kamui + mokuton... it seems better than just using kamui with 3T.

[Exaar]

Yeah, he always does.
But look at his first time using Mangekyou Sharingan and that combo with kamui + mokuton... it seems better than just using kamui with 3T.

That obito was fused with a Zetsu though, his current form and his form against minato doesn't look like he is fused with that zetsu anymore, Hence why he hasn't used the same techs now like back then.

[Inanimated]

That obito was fused with a Zetsu though, his current form and his form against minato doesn't look like he is fused with that zetsu anymore, Hence why he hasn't used the same techs now like back then.

I actually think this is right. Obito had the White Zetsu fused on his body. Not anymore though. Atleast not that I'm certain of.

[tobi777]

Dont forget obito was also like 12 when he fought the 4th, soo....

[RasenUchihaChaos]

plot no jutsu played no part he was just some ignorant idiot who tried to take kurama while the 4th was there thinking he could beat him

[N9NETAILSSAGENARUTO]

I say whether he was at his best or not he shouldnt have challenged someone especially with the title of hokage who he knew nothing about..
Fair fight being that obito had karuma under control minato still analyzed obito and bested him with no problem. Im actually about to watch that episode again!!!

[UchihaKira]

That obito was fused with a Zetsu though, his current form and his form against minato doesn't look like he is fused with that zetsu anymore, Hence why he hasn't used the same techs now like back then.

i thought of this too but if this was the cass I dont think zetsu wouldve commented on how he can "use mokuton already" if it was zetsus ability and not obitos as well.

edit: sorry for double post

[Cpt Long Schlong]

That obito was fused with a Zetsu though, his current form and his form against minato doesn't look like he is fused with that zetsu anymore, Hence why he hasn't used the same techs now like back then.

Are you saying that that's why he didn't use Mokuton?

Mokuton requires Hashi cells, we all know that. Zetsu's are Hashi cells, and we also know, that Zetsu fused with Obito because Obito wasn't strong enough to go on his own.

We also know Obito was patched up with Hashi cells, and so from then on, with or without zetsu, is capable of using Mokuton.

The fusion was simply because Obito was too weak and not yet fully healed

Btw i'm pretty sure Zetsu was present that night

Sheer speculation

[roncato]

obito did use kamui.

Minato was much stronger. You can't change manga and anime facts. Fail thread.

[obito777]

Who knows... maybe I was maybe I wasn't

[sage1999]

Who knows... maybe I was maybe I wasn't

I see what u did there

[Omnipotent]

I see what u did there

[mikeeozua]

he was 14 he wasnt experienced in battle like he is now, so he was ignorant that day

[Kages]

He used Kamui which is MS but he didn't have enough chakra to use Wood Release

[b7718]

He used Kamui which is MS but he didn't have enough chakra to use Wood Release

Except they showed him using wood release during his recovery with Madara without the White Zetsu body.

[November Nolove]

Plot No Jutsu

[naruto556]

Plot No Jutsu

this

[ItachiLeeHatake]

Of course. Like you said, he didn't use Mokuton because of plot. Though, if Obito did, he'd have to have killed Minato with his first use of it during that battle. If Minato would have dodged it, then he would have be aware and cautious of it from then on. So, I doubt Mokuton would have played a big factor.

[Omnipotent]

Of course. Like you said, he didn't use Mokuton because of plot. Though, if Obito did, he'd have to have killed Minato with his first use of it during that battle. If Minato would have dodged it, then he would have be aware and cautious of it from then on. So, I doubt Mokuton would have played a big factor.

In all honesty, I don't think Minato would be able to counter someone using a surprise attack with kamui + mokuton (and if Obito didn't have his chakra reserves taxed by controlling Kurama).
Once again, where was Zetsu? Why didn't he wrap around Obito like Spiral Zetsu did?

using that mokuton against minato is useless he can't hit him with it,and he knew that,so he decided to stick to kamui.

Actually, he didn't use mokuton as Tobi at all, and there are many people Tobi faced who mokuton would have worked against but it wasn't used...

That obito was fused with a Zetsu though, his current form and his form against minato doesn't look like he is fused with that zetsu anymore, Hence why he hasn't used the same techs now like back then.

That mokuton was all Obito...

[Exaar]

That mokuton was all Obito...

I'm not so sure.

Obito has never used them Techs since, Even though they would be incredibly useful in his fight with Minato, His fight with Danzo's guards and his fight with Naruto/Gai/Kakashi, But he never used them, He stuck to kamui even after knowing they knew how to counter.


I would also believe them spines grew out of that zetsu aswell, Now out of Obito, since that zetzu's body completely covered all of obito's.
Obito was simply just using that zetsu's powers.

Would explain why he has never used them since.

[Omnipotent]

I'm not so sure.

Obito has never used them Techs since, Even though they would be incredibly useful in his fight with Minato, His fight with Danzo's guards and his fight with Naruto/Gai/Kakashi, But he never used them, He stuck to kamui even after knowing they knew how to counter.


I would also believe them spines grew out of that zetsu aswell, Now out of Obito, since that zetzu's body completely covered all of obito's.
Obito was simply just using that zetsu's powers.

Would explain why he has never used them since.

It was Obito using it, not the Zetsu.
Although I do agree that he had to use the Zetsu's powers, because he was too weak at that point to do anything on his own.

[Exaar]

It was Obito using it, not the Zetsu.
Although I do agree that he had to use the Zetsu's powers, because he was too weak at that point to do anything on his own.

thats my point, he was using that zetsu's power, Not his own.

We don't even know if obito's zetsu half could even used techs like that, I mean the techs he used don't even look like your standard mokuton.
They remind me more of Kimi's bone jutsu's.

Maybe obito's zetsu half simply isn't strong enough to use them techs without that other zetsu's help.

[juankimari]

Of course. Like you said, he didn't use Mokuton because of plot. Though, if Obito did, he'd have to have killed Minato with his first use of it during that battle. If Minato would have dodged it, then he would have be aware and cautious of it from then on. So, I doubt Mokuton would have played a big factor.

Right, Mokuton would have made zero difference in that fight.What good is it if you can´t even touch the guy? At the end of the day Obito used his best card against Minato which was his speed, WITHOUT speed he stood no chance and he knew it.Needless to say, he lost that battle of speed.

And no he wasn´t at a disadvantage as it was planned ahead(his attack at the village and the 4th).He had Hashirama´s DNA(which is a lot to say) and he had all the intel he needed on Minato(The 4th knew nothing about how OP Tobi´s techniques were).