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    Re: Obito was not at his best against Minato

    i agree, i dont like how he used mokuton so masterfully in his first fight as tobi and NEVER uses it again. I understand its not necessary in most fights due to kamui but against minato? cmonn obito
     
         

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    Re: Obito was not at his best against Minato

    Again another excuse? May i ask you then what happened to these techniques against Danzo's bodyguard? What happened to the Mokuton technique against Konan where he almost died? What happened to Mokuton techniques or Izanagi in the fight against Kakashi, Naruto and Gai?

    The answer is simple. In a battle you use what you seems necessary. You are not there to expose everything you can. Kakashi is the perfect example of that. He simply couldn't do all that against Minato. He was already marked anyway. Using Izanagi wouldn't have change that much. Fighting someone who can teleport himself every seconds makes it useless to use range attack.

    The Kamui in close range was his only option. He needed to restrict his movements, that's even why he used a chain. Even with all those preparations with full knowledge against an enemy who had none, he still got owned and could do nothing else than running away.
     
         

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    Re: Obito was not at his best against Minato

    If he wasn't at his best then he is an complete idiot for challenging minato and konoha lol.
     
         

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    Re: Obito was not at his best against Minato

    Quote Originally Posted by Bogard View Post
    Again another excuse? May i ask you then what happened to these techniques against Danzo's bodyguard? What happened to the Mokuton technique against Konan where he almost died? What happened to Mokuton techniques in the fight against Kakashi, Naruto and Gai?

    The answer is simple. In a battle you use what you seems necessary. You are not there to expose everything you can. Kakashi is the perfect example of that. He simply couldn't do all that against Minato. He was already marked anyway. Using Izanagi wouldn't have change that much. Fighting someone who can teleport himself every seconds makes it useless to use range attack.

    The Kamui in close range was his only option. He needed to restrict his movements, that's even why he used a chain. Even with all those preparations with full knowledge against an enemy who had none, he still got owned and could do nothing else than running away.
    Excuse for what? It's just how I interpreted the manga; I guess mokuton wasn't necessary for Minato, yet Minato still ended up smashing Obito into the ground . Sounds like plot to me. I didn't say that izanagi would have changed anything. What I'm saying is that Konan put him in a worse situation that Minato did, and that's fact. If Obito didn't have izanagi against Konan, he'd be long dead.
    Why was Zetsu not present? Didn't mayfly allow him to move incredibly fast? Wasn't he Obito's "friend"?
     
         

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    Re: Obito was not at his best against Minato

    Quote Originally Posted by Exaar View Post
    That obito was fused with a Zetsu though, his current form and his form against minato doesn't look like he is fused with that zetsu anymore, Hence why he hasn't used the same techs now like back then.
    I actually think this is right. Obito had the White Zetsu fused on his body. Not anymore though. Atleast not that I'm certain of.
     
         

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    Re: Obito was not at his best against Minato

    Tbh this is pointless i agree Obito wasn't at his best however minato still won.
     
         

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    Re: Obito was not at his best against Minato

    Quote Originally Posted by Omnipotent View Post
    Excuse for what? It's just how I interpreted the manga.
    Why was Zetsu not present? Didn't mayfly allow him to move incredibly fast? Wasn't he Obito's "friend"?
    You didn't answer my question. Why didn't he use Mokuton against Konan when he almost died? Why doesn't he use Mokuton or Izanagi currently in the fight against Naruto and co? You don't enter a fight to expose techniques, but to win, and for that you only use what you seems necessary. You think that we've also seen all of Minato's techniques that night? Obviously not. He only used what seemed necessary to him. Btw i'm pretty sure Zetsu was present that night
     
         

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    Re: Obito was not at his best against Minato

    Quote Originally Posted by KillYondaimeHaters View Post
    If he wasn't at his best then he is an complete idiot for challenging minato and konoha lol.
    hes being called the chosen one by the most legendary uchiha of all time, can you blame him?
     
         

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    Re: Obito was not at his best against Minato

    Quote Originally Posted by Exaar View Post
    That obito was fused with a Zetsu though, his current form and his form against minato doesn't look like he is fused with that zetsu anymore, Hence why he hasn't used the same techs now like back then.
    i thought of this too but if this was the cass I dont think zetsu wouldve commented on how he can "use mokuton already" if it was zetsus ability and not obitos as well.

    edit: sorry for double post
     
         

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    Re: Obito was not at his best against Minato

    Quote Originally Posted by Exaar View Post
    That obito was fused with a Zetsu though, his current form and his form against minato doesn't look like he is fused with that zetsu anymore, Hence why he hasn't used the same techs now like back then.
    Are you saying that that's why he didn't use Mokuton?

    Mokuton requires Hashi cells, we all know that. Zetsu's are Hashi cells, and we also know, that Zetsu fused with Obito because Obito wasn't strong enough to go on his own.

    We also know Obito was patched up with Hashi cells, and so from then on, with or without zetsu, is capable of using Mokuton.

    The fusion was simply because Obito was too weak and not yet fully healed

    Quote Originally Posted by Bogard View Post
    Btw i'm pretty sure Zetsu was present that night
    Sheer speculation
     
         

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    Re: Obito was not at his best against Minato

    Quote Originally Posted by Bogard View Post
    You didn't answer my question. Why didn't he use Mokuton against Konan when he almost died? Why doesn't he use Mokuton or Izanagi currently in the fight against Naruto and co? You don't enter a fight to expose techniques, but to win, and for that you only use what you seems necessary. You think that we've also seen all of Minato's techniques that night? Obviously not. He only used what seemed necessary to him. Btw i'm pretty sure Zetsu was present that night
    He can't use izanagi now, he doesn't have another sharingan and I'm sure he won't give up his kamui sharingan to save himself once.
    He is using mokuton through the Juubi.

    So, Obito thought that Minato wasn't worth using mokuton against? Is this what you are saying?

    The only reason I disagree with you is because you disagree with everything that doesn't put Minato at the level you think he's at (I remember you saying he's above the five Kage, and above Hashirama, which is just too far), yet you agree with outright ridiculous statements that make Minato seem better than he actually is. He's top 10 to me, but he's not taking the five Kage nor Hashirama. Take it or leave it...

    Also, I'm not saying Obito would have won; plot wouldn't let him. I'm saying that he could have won.
     
         

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    Re: Obito was not at his best against Minato

    Quote Originally Posted by Omnipotent View Post
    That mokuton was all Obito...
    I'm not so sure.

    Obito has never used them Techs since, Even though they would be incredibly useful in his fight with Minato, His fight with Danzo's guards and his fight with Naruto/Gai/Kakashi, But he never used them, He stuck to kamui even after knowing they knew how to counter.


    I would also believe them spines grew out of that zetsu aswell, Now out of Obito, since that zetzu's body completely covered all of obito's.
    Obito was simply just using that zetsu's powers.

    Would explain why he has never used them since.
     
         

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    Re: Obito was not at his best against Minato

    Quote Originally Posted by Omnipotent View Post
    The only reason I disagree with you is because you disagree with everything that doesn't put Minato at the level you think he's at (I remember you saying he's above the five Kage, and above Hashirama, which is just too far), yet you agree with outright ridiculous statements that make Minato seem better than he actually is. He's top 10 to me, but he's not taking the five Kage nor Hashirama. Take it or leave it...
    He makes me laugh, he thinks Minato > Edo Nagato
     
         

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    Re: Obito was not at his best against Minato

    Quote Originally Posted by Exaar View Post
    I'm not so sure.

    Obito has never used them Techs since, Even though they would be incredibly useful in his fight with Minato, His fight with Danzo's guards and his fight with Naruto/Gai/Kakashi, But he never used them, He stuck to kamui even after knowing they knew how to counter.


    I would also believe them spines grew out of that zetsu aswell, Now out of Obito, since that zetzu's body completely covered all of obito's.
    Obito was simply just using that zetsu's powers.

    Would explain why he has never used them since.

    It was Obito using it, not the Zetsu.
    Although I do agree that he had to use the Zetsu's powers, because he was too weak at that point to do anything on his own.
     
         

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    Re: Obito was not at his best against Minato

    Quote Originally Posted by Omnipotent View Post
    He can't use izanagi now, he doesn't have another sharingan and I'm sure he won't give up his kamui sharingan to save himself once.
    He is using mokuton through the Juubi.

    So, Obito thought that Minato wasn't worth using mokuton against? Is this what you are saying?

    The only reason I disagree with you is because you disagree with everything that doesn't put Minato at the level you think he's at (I remember you saying he's above the five Kage, and above Hashirama, which is just too far), yet you agree with outright ridiculous statements that make Minato seem better than he actually is. He's top 10 to me, but he's not taking the five Kage nor Hashirama. Take it or leave it...

    Also, I'm not saying Obito would have won
    No, he couldn't. From the moment he got marked, the game was over since Minato could have killed him anytime. The best option for him was to retreat. Minato on the otherside had to take care of the Kyubi. Mokuton or Izanagi wouldn't have change a thing, and it's for that reason he didn't use it, like Minato could have summon Gamabunta for example to help him to fight, but he didn't. This battle was a battle of speed, kamui vs FTG. It's as simple as that. Using range attacks would have changed nothing since either opponent could have dodge it with ease

    Btw i'm talking about the fight between Obito and Naruto, Kakashi and Gai alone. Why didn't he use Mokuton techniques during that battle? It's only because he used the moves that seemed better for him. It's exactly what he done against Minato. Anyway you can believe what you want. Your thread is pointless. Fact is Minato kicked his ass. We can also say that Madara could have beaten Hashirama, but fact is that he lost. So why trying to create excuses?
     
         

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    Re: Obito was not at his best against Minato

    Op this is pointless, as i said kishi creates the fight and he states minato won.

    People have started to state their own opinions and write their own manga. For example people state if kabuto summoned madara (agains't the bro's) then its a wrap and i agree, however kishi didn't.

    Naruto could've killed obito however he smashed his mask instead because his identity was so important.

    Or like if oro wanted to kill kid itachi instead of steal his body

    Kakashi couldve killed obito with a chidori to teh stomach, but he punched him instead.

    If obito had unleashed izanagi just before their final duel, he wouldv'e re spawned when minato got him and this might catch minato offguard enough to warp him or stab him. Similar to how it caught konan off guard and he stabbed her. Heck if obito had fought along side the kyuubi like how ems madara did then who knows.

    However people trying to write their own manga is annoying. Kishi creates the story we follow
     
         
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    Re: Obito was not at his best against Minato

    Quote Originally Posted by Bogard View Post
    No, he couldn't. From the moment he got marked, the game was over since Minato could have killed him anytime. The best option for him was to retreat. Minato on the otherside had to take care of the Kyubi. Mokuton or Izanagi wouldn't have change a thing, and it's for that reason he didn't use it, like Minato could have summon Gamabunta for example to help him to fight, but he didn't. This battle was a battle of speed, kamui vs FTG. It's as simple as that. Using range attacks would have changed nothing since either opponent could have dodge it with ease

    Btw i'm talking about the fight between Obito and Naruto, Kakashi and Gai alone. Why didn't he use Mokuton techniques during that battle? It's only because he used the moves that seemed better for him. It's exactly what he done against Minato. Anyway you can believe what you want. Your thread is pointless. Fact is Minato kicked his ass. We can also say that Madara could have beaten Hashirama, but fact is that he lost. So why trying to create excuses?
    I wasn't referring to after he got marked.

    We haven't seen Madara fight Hashirama, so we can't say anything about that fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blaze Release View Post
    Op this is pointless, as i said kishi creates the fight and he states minato won.

    People have started to state their own opinions and write their own manga. For example people state if kabuto summoned madara (agains't the bro's) then its a wrap and i agree, however kishi didn't.

    Naruto could've killed obito however he smashed his mask instead because his identity was so important.

    Or like if oro wanted to kill kid itachi instead of steal his body

    Kakashi couldve killed obito with a chidori to teh stomach, but he punched him instead.

    If obito had unleashed izanagi just before their final duel, he wouldv'e re spawned when minato got him and this might catch minato offguard enough to warp him or stab him. Similar to how it caught konan off guard and he stabbed him. Heck if obito had fought along side the kyuubi like how ems madara did then who knows.

    However people trying to write their own manga is annoying. Kishi creates the story we follow
    I'm just wondering, because people say Minato >>> 14 year old Obito based on this fight where Obito was handicapped when it's ready Minato >= 14 year old Obito.
     
         
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    Re: Obito was not at his best against Minato

    Quote Originally Posted by Omnipotent View Post

    I'm just wondering, because people say Minato >>> 14 year old Obito based on this fight where Obito was handicapped when it's ready Minato >= 14 year old Obito.
    Again people trying to state what if ninja A used this instead then he would've stood a better chance, but as i said kishi writes the story, we follow.

    People trying to state what if's shouldn't because that same thing can be used agains't their character
     
         

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    Re: Obito was not at his best against Minato

    Quote Originally Posted by Blaze Release View Post
    Again people trying to state what if ninja A used this instead then he would've stood a better chance, but as i said kishi writes the story, we follow.

    People trying to state what if's shouldn't because that same thing can be used agains't their character
    Well actually, nothing can be used against my character
     
         

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    Re: Obito was not at his best against Minato

    Quote Originally Posted by Omnipotent View Post

    It was Obito using it, not the Zetsu.
    Although I do agree that he had to use the Zetsu's powers, because he was too weak at that point to do anything on his own.
    thats my point, he was using that zetsu's power, Not his own.

    We don't even know if obito's zetsu half could even used techs like that, I mean the techs he used don't even look like your standard mokuton.
    They remind me more of Kimi's bone jutsu's.

    Maybe obito's zetsu half simply isn't strong enough to use them techs without that other zetsu's help.
     
         

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