Yata Mirror Grossly Underated- HardCounter to Dust Release

[Owarij]

We all know of the two legendary spiritual weapons that caused Black zetsu to consider Itachi an Invincible force...

invincible [ɪnˈvɪnsəbəl]
adj
1. incapable of being defeated; unconquerable
2. unable to be overcome; insuperable invincible prejudices
[from Late Latin invincibilis, from Latin in-1 + vincere to conquer]
invincibility , invincibleness n
invincibly adv

Hyperbole? Yes, But there is truth to his words...First one must understand what a Spirtual weapon is... Answer? Noone knows.. according to zetsu it's a supernatural item.... Databook implies noone really know how or when exactly they appeared.. but the legends have been passed down for years

What should be noted is that is has NO true phyiscal form, meaning these weapons have no true shape, and could essentially become what shape or size the user wishes... They way we see them now is at a size fit for susanno, but when these weapons were found by Itachi, they wouldn't have been large, they could have been anything, maybe even the normal size of a katana and shield..

If you don't believe what i'm saying, Of course , I have proof , often overlooked

Here you see how yatta mirror is, a flat shield, a bit bigger than Itachi, but still smaller than susanno itself..


Sasuke then throws explosive kunai to cause and explosion

You can no see the shield has grown, as the head of susanno is no longer higher in the air

specifically talking about this


You also should note the sfx showing the mirror was shrinking after the attack..


Next feat of this? pretty obvious

If you don't see it


You clearly see it extended again, covering more in the back of itachi, which is not how it originally looked, considering its flat


Now I want you to pay CLOSE attention , to the last two pictures I posted, and realize that for this attack, Yata mirror has changed size and shape, and is now fully covering Susanno....

This means that no matter WHAT attack comes at Itachi, Yata mirror can Change not only its ELEMENTS, but its ATTRIBUTES , to deflect it.....

The databook even says this

Note that it changes its attributes and properties..


You should also be aware that yata mirror doesn't simply "block' all attacks.. It REFLECTS.. All attacks.. as stated like 500 times in the manga and databook..





MUU - Onooki

People, alot of people , have been putting Muu over Itachi simply because Jinton is a "360" thing.... they claim, that yata mirror and its frontward defence would not at all protect Itachi from the molecule disintegration..
Bullocks..

As Ive shown before, ANY incoming attack, would be countered by the mirror and reflected... even if yata mirror has to stretch in a 360 manner to do so , similar to what happened here


This isnt solely for Jinton....Any incoming taijutsu attack will be countered... yata mirror repelled Sasuke's and his kusunagi thrust....
People claim that A would be able to go behind yata mirror and attack.. Once again, this isn't a legendary spirtual item for crap and giggles..Like gaara's sand, the yata mirror protects the user from ANY attack



But how far can yata mirror really go?
Its not exactly clear, the databook mostly speaks of its impervious fortitude when pitted against jutsu

Material

Astral

Physical

and Ninjutsu

What I want you to focus on is the two bolded

as·tral
/ˈastrəl/
Adjective
Of or relating to a supposed nonphysical realm of existence in which the physical human body is said to have a counterpart.

what? : o, Databook implies that Yata mirror would even defend against non physical dimension related attacks? Attacks like Long ranged Kamui?

....That my friends is up to you to see and consider

Grossly underated spiritual items

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Another thing everyone should note is the sheer speed that the shape manipulation happens... The mirror moves from its small state to incredibly large withing milliseconds of the attack actually hitting

Inb4 Bogard, minator94 Soloking solos

[★saaaaaadpanda]

Everything is underrated or overrated based on varying personal preferences and opinions. Get over it.

[The Alchemist]

Everything is underrated or overrated based on varying personal preferences and opinions. Get over it.

Spoken like a rational human being. Besides Itachi is dead so the Yata mirror is lost.

[Underdog ninja]

Spoken like a rational human being. Besides Itachi is dead so the Yata mirror is lost.

maybe sasuke got it with itachis eyes! :D

[Omnipotent]

Everything is underrated or overrated based on varying personal preferences and opinions. Get over it.

It's you!

OT: I didn't think it was underrated, I was sure it could take jinton.

[Forget Me Not]

It's you!

OT: I didn't think it was underrated, I was sure it could take jinton.

I don't really think it's a question as to what it's able to negate, but rather how. I don't doubt it could tank an entire TBB, but when characters like Minato come to mind I think speed would likely be an issue.

Susano'o lacks lateral speed. It isn't completely immobile, but it isn't exactly fast either, much less blinding fast as Minato is. Minato's speed coupled with FTG is essentially instantaneous; the Yata Mirror could not expand in a mere instant, at the speed of light.

Now this isn't an argument as to who's stronger out of Minato and Itachi, the point being is the speed is definitely quite possibly a potential counter to the Yata Mirror (as well as Itachi's Susano'o as he doesn't have the intangibility of Sasuke's Susano'o due to Sasuke's Blaze Release/Enton).

Like I said, I can think of at least a few feasible counters to Yata Mirror. Just very few characters would be able to exercise them - and even fewer currently alive.

[Omnipotent]

I don't really think it's a question as to what it's able to negate, but rather how. I don't doubt it could tank an entire TBB, but when characters like Minato come to mind I think speed would likely be an issue.

Susano'o lacks lateral speed. It isn't completely immobile, but it isn't exactly fast either, much less blinding fast as Minato is. Minato's speed coupled with FTG is essentially instantaneous; the Yata Mirror could not expand in a mere instant, at the speed of light.

Now this isn't an argument as to who's stronger out of Minato and Itachi, the point being is the speed is definitely quite possibly a potential counter to the Yata Mirror (as well as Itachi's Susano'o as he doesn't have the intangibility of Sasuke's Susano'o due to Sasuke's Blaze Release/Enton).

Like I said, I can think of at least a few feasible counters to Yata Mirror. Just very few characters would be able to exercise them - and even fewer currently alive.

Well we don't know that until we put it to the test, right?

Would BM Naruto be one of those alive who could provide a counter to Yata Mirror? He's a speed demon too.

[Forget Me Not]

Well we don't know that until we put it to the test, right?

Would BM Naruto be one of those alive who could provide a counter to Yata Mirror? He's a speed demon too.

With the substantial power and speed of BM Naruto, I don't doubt it at all. Especially with the Kyuubi at his disposal.

But Minato is another story. FTG is instant. There's not a doubt in my mind that Minato's FTG could be able to get Itachi some way or another.

[Sabuto Hayashi]

I didn't even know Yata Mirror was underrated.

The databook (and essentially Kishimoto) say that it can block any attack, therefore I have no doubts in believing that it can.

[KingHashirama]

This was mostly against the people who state that yata mirror cannot defend against attacks that hit behind etc, and trust me, there are alot of people claiming that

It can't..... Unless it turns on that side, at the right time..... Thats what happened in the pics you showed. Yata doesn't have a 360 protection zone.

[Owarij]

Reread the scan, though Sasuke threw a frontward kunai attack, yata mirror greew and extended even BEHIND susanno and all its sides

[softkings]

It can't..... Unless it turns on that side, at the right time..... Thats what happened in the pics you showed. Yata doesn't have a 360 protection zone.

First when you shoot with Jinton it gets bigger and bigger in the flying phase - this is the time when the Yata Mirror can grow as big as it has to be to block the Jinton without the need to do a 360 protection zone

[Delano The Great]

[QUOTE=KingHashirama;9976023]It can't..... Unless it turns on that side, at the right time..... Thats what happened in the pics you showed. Yata doesn't have a 360 protection zone.[/QUOTE

its not like itachi wouldnt know someone was behind him
Itachi is top 5 like it or not bro

[Forget Me Not]

I don't think Yata Mirror in itself is overrated - generally everyone knows that it's pretty much the closest defense to "invincible" in the series.

I think it's more of the fact that Itachi doesn't really have extraordinary chakra reserves to maintain Susano'o for extended periods of time in order to utilize Yata Mirror for a considerable amount of time. And Itachi has a fatal illness, so yeah.

That said, I do think there are possible counters to Yata Mirror. Just counters few ninja would be capable of executing.

[Q of the Sharingan]

I don't think Yata Mirror in itself is overrated - generally everyone knows that it's pretty much the closest defense to "invincible" in the series.

I think it's more of the fact that Itachi doesn't really have extraordinary chakra reserves to maintain Susano'o for extended periods of time in order to utilize Yata Mirror for a considerable amount of time. And Itachi has a fatal illness, so yeah.

That said, I do think there are possible counters to Yata Mirror. Just counters few ninja would be capable of executing.

What type of counters?

[Forget Me Not]

What type of counters?

For starters, the Wood Clone technique.

Madara said he was the only one ever able to see through the technique, this is overwhelmingly attributed to his EMS abilities. With the technique he can effectively counter the Totsuka Blade, then in turn appear at a distant location from under the ground. This could perhaps give him entrance right into the blind spot of Susano'o - where Itachi himself is present.

I would show scans, but I feel all of this goes without saying. I'll be glad to provide scans if needed.

[Retsu]

honestly Totsuka blade was hyped to hell as well, but it all went out the window when Orochimaru came back, I think the only true way to prove this would be to see it put into action, but since it'll never happen, we'll never know, but hype of special attacks and weapons means little as of now.

[Meido]

Thanks for the explanation man

[The Infernal Spirit]

We saw the Tosuka blade in action twice what is there to debate about ? Upon contact the target is sealed forever.

[KingHashirama]

Dust release = Nothing there. o-o. but if you say so..

[Sephy100]

Dust release = Nothing there. o-o. but if you say so..

Dust is tangible. Just because you can't see it doesn't mean there's nothing there.

[VariaBossX]

Dust release = Nothing there. o-o. but if you say so..

dust release destroys in an atomic level. susanoo is not physical

[Sage mode Tobi]

dust release destroys in an atomic level. susanoo is not physical

Oonoki just did Dust release against all of those wood clones Susanoo's and destroyed them all. Dust Release WILL destroy Itachi's Susanoo.

[VariaBossX]

Oonoki just did Dust release against all of those wood clones Susanoo's and destroyed them all. Dust Release WILL destroy Itachi's Susanoo.

so a woodstyle clone? that's why

[iSpeak the Truth -in detention-]

Nice thread