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    Yata Mirror Grossly Underated- HardCounter to Dust Release

    We all know of the two legendary spiritual weapons that caused Black zetsu to consider Itachi an Invincible force...



    invincible [ɪnˈvɪnsəbəl]
    adj
    1. incapable of being defeated; unconquerable
    2. unable to be overcome; insuperable invincible prejudices
    [from Late Latin invincibilis, from Latin in-1 + vincere to conquer]
    invincibility , invincibleness n
    invincibly adv

    Hyperbole? Yes, But there is truth to his words...First one must understand what a Spirtual weapon is... Answer? Noone knows.. according to zetsu it's a supernatural item.... Databook implies noone really know how or when exactly they appeared.. but the legends have been passed down for years

    What should be noted is that is has NO true phyiscal form, meaning these weapons have no true shape, and could essentially become what shape or size the user wishes... They way we see them now is at a size fit for susanno, but when these weapons were found by Itachi, they wouldn't have been large, they could have been anything, maybe even the normal size of a katana and shield..

    If you don't believe what i'm saying, Of course , I have proof , often overlooked


    Here you see how yatta mirror is, a flat shield, a bit bigger than Itachi, but still smaller than susanno itself..


    Sasuke then throws explosive kunai to cause and explosion


    You can no see the shield has grown, as the head of susanno is no longer higher in the air

    specifically talking about this


    You also should note the sfx showing the mirror was shrinking after the attack..


    Next feat of this? pretty obvious

    If you don't see it


    You clearly see it extended again, covering more in the back of itachi, which is not how it originally looked, considering its flat


    Now I want you to pay CLOSE attention , to the last two pictures I posted, and realize that for this attack, Yata mirror has changed size and shape, and is now fully covering Susanno....

    This means that no matter WHAT attack comes at Itachi, Yata mirror can Change not only its ELEMENTS, but its ATTRIBUTES , to deflect it.....

    The databook even says this

    Note that it changes its attributes and properties..


    You should also be aware that yata mirror doesn't simply "block' all attacks.. It REFLECTS.. All attacks.. as stated like 500 times in the manga and databook..





    MUU - Onooki

    People, alot of people , have been putting Muu over Itachi simply because Jinton is a "360" thing.... they claim, that yata mirror and its frontward defence would not at all protect Itachi from the molecule disintegration..
    Bullocks..

    As Ive shown before, ANY incoming attack, would be countered by the mirror and reflected... even if yata mirror has to stretch in a 360 manner to do so , similar to what happened here


    This isnt solely for Jinton....Any incoming taijutsu attack will be countered... yata mirror repelled Sasuke's and his kusunagi thrust....
    People claim that A would be able to go behind yata mirror and attack.. Once again, this isn't a legendary spirtual item for crap and giggles..Like gaara's sand, the yata mirror protects the user from ANY attack



    But how far can yata mirror really go?
    Its not exactly clear, the databook mostly speaks of its impervious fortitude when pitted against jutsu


    Material

    Astral

    Physical

    and Ninjutsu

    What I want you to focus on is the two bolded

    as·tral
    /ˈastrəl/
    Adjective
    Of or relating to a supposed nonphysical realm of existence in which the physical human body is said to have a counterpart.

    what? : o, Databook implies that Yata mirror would even defend against non physical dimension related attacks? Attacks like Long ranged Kamui?

    ....That my friends is up to you to see and consider

    Grossly underated spiritual items



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    Another thing everyone should note is the sheer speed that the shape manipulation happens... The mirror moves from its small state to incredibly large withing milliseconds of the attack actually hitting

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    Re: Yata Mirror Grossly Underated- HardCounter to Dust Release

    Everything is underrated or overrated based on varying personal preferences and opinions. Get over it.
     
         

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    Re: Yata Mirror Grossly Underated- HardCounter to Dust Release

    I didn't even know Yata Mirror was underrated.

    The databook (and essentially Kishimoto) say that it can block any attack, therefore I have no doubts in believing that it can.
     
         

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    Re: Yata Mirror Grossly Underated- HardCounter to Dust Release

    honestly Totsuka blade was hyped to hell as well, but it all went out the window when Orochimaru came back, I think the only true way to prove this would be to see it put into action, but since it'll never happen, we'll never know, but hype of special attacks and weapons means little as of now.
     
         

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    Re: Yata Mirror Grossly Underated- HardCounter to Dust Release

    Thanks for the explanation man
     
         

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    Re: Yata Mirror Grossly Underated- HardCounter to Dust Release

    Dust release = Nothing there. o-o. but if you say so..
     
         

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    Re: Yata Mirror Grossly Underated- HardCounter to Dust Release

    Nice thread
     
         

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    Re: Yata Mirror Grossly Underated- HardCounter to Dust Release

    seems legit. well put together.

    there was a reason obito was still afraid of itachi people. Every1 has been putting obito on top lately. nuff said.
     
         

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    Re: Yata Mirror Grossly Underated- HardCounter to Dust Release

    If yata mirror is said by kishi himself that it can block ALL attacks, then ppl should start believing that yata mirror can deflect anything.
    BELIEVE IT
     
         

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    Re: Yata Mirror Grossly Underated- HardCounter to Dust Release

    Quote Originally Posted by Owarij View Post
    This was mostly against the people who state that yata mirror cannot defend against attacks that hit behind etc, and trust me, there are alot of people claiming that
    It can't..... Unless it turns on that side, at the right time..... Thats what happened in the pics you showed. Yata doesn't have a 360 protection zone.
     
         

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    Re: Yata Mirror Grossly Underated- HardCounter to Dust Release

    Quote Originally Posted by KingHashirama View Post
    Dust release = Nothing there. o-o. but if you say so..
    Dust is tangible. Just because you can't see it doesn't mean there's nothing there.
     
         

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    Re: Yata Mirror Grossly Underated- HardCounter to Dust Release

    Quote Originally Posted by saaaaaadpanda View Post
    Everything is underrated or overrated based on varying personal preferences and opinions. Get over it.
    Spoken like a rational human being. Besides Itachi is dead so the Yata mirror is lost.
     
         

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    Re: Yata Mirror Grossly Underated- HardCounter to Dust Release

    Reread the scan, though Sasuke threw a frontward kunai attack, yata mirror greew and extended even BEHIND susanno and all its sides
     
         

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    Re: Yata Mirror Grossly Underated- HardCounter to Dust Release

    Great elaboration
     
         

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    Re: Yata Mirror Grossly Underated- HardCounter to Dust Release

    I don't think Yata Mirror in itself is overrated - generally everyone knows that it's pretty much the closest defense to "invincible" in the series.

    I think it's more of the fact that Itachi doesn't really have extraordinary chakra reserves to maintain Susano'o for extended periods of time in order to utilize Yata Mirror for a considerable amount of time. And Itachi has a fatal illness, so yeah.

    That said, I do think there are possible counters to Yata Mirror. Just counters few ninja would be capable of executing.
     
         

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    Re: Yata Mirror Grossly Underated- HardCounter to Dust Release

    I don't know therefore...preta path... seems to always work for Nagato fans.
     
         

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    Re: Yata Mirror Grossly Underated- HardCounter to Dust Release

    "Invincible" coming from out of the mouth of losers like Iruka (to hype up Hiruzen) and Kabuto (to hype up Oro and Hiruzen) mean nothing because they have been proved wrong on multiple occasions.

    However "invincible" is coming out of the mouth of Black Zetsu who is Madara Uchiha's very essence...you can't really dispute that Itachi Uchiha is almost virtually untouchable with his legendary weapons and Susanoo.
     
         

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    Re: Yata Mirror Grossly Underated- HardCounter to Dust Release

    Dust release = Nothing there. o-o. but if you say so..
    Dust release is the mixture of 3 elements , It does exist.... Yata mirror has 5 elements in it according to the databook, and can fuse them together to counter the incoming attack...

    Dust release operates on a molecular level... What's yata mirror? its some gold liquid..a spirtual substance that has no phyiscal form.. what molecules is it going to disintegrate?


    It can't..... Unless it turns on that side, at the right time..... Thats what happened in the pics you showed. Yata doesn't have a 360 protection zone.

    Reread the scan, though Sasuke threw a frontward kunai attack, yata mirror greew and extended even BEHIND susanno and all its sides

    http://i.imgur.com/NFD8P.png

    Meaning yata mirror can put up a defense on a side it isn't facing, Its very similar to how gaaras sand defends from the attack coming..



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    Re: Yata Mirror Grossly Underated- HardCounter to Dust Release

    Yata Mirror Grossly Op'd; should be the title of this thread.
     
         

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    Re: Yata Mirror Grossly Underated- HardCounter to Dust Release

    Quote Originally Posted by KingHashirama View Post
    Dust release = Nothing there. o-o. but if you say so..
    dust release destroys in an atomic level. susanoo is not physical
     
         

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    Re: Yata Mirror Grossly Underated- HardCounter to Dust Release

    Nice find on the changing shape thing. I never noticed that and actually argued against it before.
     
         

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    Re: Yata Mirror Grossly Underated- HardCounter to Dust Release

    Quote Originally Posted by Hipster Madara View Post
    I don't know therefore...preta path... seems to always work for Nagato fans.
    well it can't really, because of his offensive weapons, the sword and that sharingan looking disk. Lets not forget amatersu too
     
         

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    Re: Yata Mirror Grossly Underated- HardCounter to Dust Release

    What would happen if you attacked the strongest shield (Yata) with the strongest blade (Totsuka)?
     
         

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    Re: Yata Mirror Grossly Underated- HardCounter to Dust Release

    Quote Originally Posted by Forget Me Not View Post
    I don't think Yata Mirror in itself is overrated - generally everyone knows that it's pretty much the closest defense to "invincible" in the series.

    I think it's more of the fact that Itachi doesn't really have extraordinary chakra reserves to maintain Susano'o for extended periods of time in order to utilize Yata Mirror for a considerable amount of time. And Itachi has a fatal illness, so yeah.

    That said, I do think there are possible counters to Yata Mirror. Just counters few ninja would be capable of executing.
    What type of counters?
     
         

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    Re: Yata Mirror Grossly Underated- HardCounter to Dust Release

    Quote Originally Posted by Lentz View Post
    What would happen if you attack the strongest shield (Yata) with the strongest blade (Totsuka)?
    The totsuke blade wouldn't be able to pierce the yata mirror.
     
         

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