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    Re: Yata Mirror Grossly Underated- HardCounter to Dust Release

    How about against Dan Katō's "Spirit Transformation Technique(Reika no Jutsu)"?

    im lazy reading all the details and other comments so sorry...

    but u think Yata mirror us Uber!
     
         

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    Re: Yata Mirror Grossly Underated- HardCounter to Dust Release

    ^^I mean "but "I" think Yata mirror us Uber!" (why i cant edit my comment sheesh)
     
         

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    Re: Yata Mirror Grossly Underated- HardCounter to Dust Release

    Good thread bro. But since sasuke has itachi's eyes does that mean he gets the totska blade and yata mirror?
     
         

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    Re: Yata Mirror Grossly Underated- HardCounter to Dust Release

    Quote Originally Posted by 1996ScientificShinobi View Post
    Good thread bro. But since sasuke has itachi's eyes does that mean he gets the totska blade and yata mirror?
    He hasnt shown it yet so as of now he doesnt have it
     
         

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    Re: Yata Mirror Grossly Underated- HardCounter to Dust Release

    Good thread bro. But since sasuke has itachi's eyes does that mean he gets the totska blade and yata mirror?
    We've seen his full susanno, and he still has his amaterasu bow arrow stuff, so doubtful
     
         

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    Re: Yata Mirror Grossly Underated- HardCounter to Dust Release

    I wonder if sasukes new powers or when itachi head bumb with sasuke if he gave him a way to get the weapons at least one
     
         

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    Re: Yata Mirror Grossly Underated- HardCounter to Dust Release

    Dam!
    And people thought Itachi couldnt get any stronger
     
         

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    Re: Yata Mirror Grossly Underated- HardCounter to Dust Release

    Quote Originally Posted by 1996ScientificShinobi View Post
    Good thread bro. But since sasuke has itachi's eyes does that mean he gets the totska blade and yata mirror?
    That doesnt make sense
    His eyes arent connecting to his weapons
     
         

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    Re: Yata Mirror Grossly Underated- HardCounter to Dust Release

    Here is something people simply don't understand. Some people say "Its in the manga so if you disagree, then you disagree with kishi" and others say "Oh that character said it but they don't know what they are talking about". For crying out loud people, you have to pay attention to the context. So far, gaara, sasuke, orochimaru, itachi, and the third raikage have boasted techniques that are "the ultimate defense". Obviously not all of them are right. When kabuto says that the edo tensei is the "strongest most unbeatable jutsu in the ninja world", he is hyping his OWN technique. This situation is different. Let me ask you something, why do you think that kishi even made zetsu watch that fight and commentate? Because he is a source of information for during the fight. Its like a sports commentator giving you unbiased facts during a game. His sole purpose in the plot was to say that the yata mirror is invincible and that kirin is literally fast as lightning. I'm not the biggest itachi fan, and i'm not fond of sasuke, but these are actual "manga facts". There sole purpose for being in the manga was to inform the readers that this actually IS the ultimate defense. Now i'm not saying that theres no way to speed blitz itachi in this form or anything, but i do believe that NO traditional attack (no matter how intense the magnitude of the force) will penetrate the yata mirror. If you agree/disagree, please inbox me or leave a comment
     
         

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    Re: Yata Mirror Grossly Underated- HardCounter to Dust Release

    Preach it good sir!^
     
         

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    Re: Yata Mirror Grossly Underated- HardCounter to Dust Release

    I ment to say if he gave him the know how or how he passed the Ameterasu
     
         

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    Re: Yata Mirror Grossly Underated- HardCounter to Dust Release

    i agree.

    itachi with these weapons is unstoppable.
     
         

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    Re: Yata Mirror Grossly Underated- HardCounter to Dust Release

    Quote Originally Posted by wizzyguy View Post
    i agree.

    itachi with these weapons is unstoppable.
    Unstoppable? No. Very powerful? Yes.
     
         

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    Re: Yata Mirror Grossly Underated- HardCounter to Dust Release

    At this the only person i think wouldve beat itachi would be Madara Edo only bc he can control the land anyone else would need the same ability these weapons an itachi brain make him always top ten in all of naruto, meaning even with dead ones counting
     
         

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    Re: Yata Mirror Grossly Underated- HardCounter to Dust Release

    Quote Originally Posted by Owarij View Post
    We all know of the two legendary spiritual weapons that caused Black zetsu to consider Itachi an Invincible force...




    Hyperbole? Yes, But there is truth to his words...First one must understand what a Spirtual weapon is... Answer? Noone knows.. according to zetsu it's a supernatural item.... Databook implies noone really know how or when exactly they appeared.. but the legends have been passed down for years

    What should be noted is that is has NO true phyiscal form, meaning these weapons have no true shape, and could essentially become what shape or size the user wishes... They way we see them now is at a size fit for susanno, but when these weapons were found by Itachi, they wouldn't have been large, they could have been anything, maybe even the normal size of a katana and shield..

    If you don't believe what i'm saying, Of course , I have proof , often overlooked


    Here you see how yatta mirror is, a flat shield, a bit bigger than Itachi, but still smaller than susanno itself..


    Sasuke then throws explosive kunai to cause and explosion


    You can no see the shield has grown, as the head of susanno is no longer higher in the air

    specifically talking about this


    You also should note the sfx showing the mirror was shrinking after the attack..


    Next feat of this? pretty obvious

    If you don't see it


    You clearly see it extended again, covering more in the back of itachi, which is not how it originally looked, considering its flat


    Now I want you to pay CLOSE attention , to the last two pictures I posted, and realize that for this attack, Yata mirror has changed size and shape, and is now fully covering Susanno....

    This means that no matter WHAT attack comes at Itachi, Yata mirror can Change not only its ELEMENTS, but its ATTRIBUTES , to deflect it.....

    The databook even says this

    Note that it changes its attributes and properties..


    You should also be aware that yata mirror doesn't simply "block' all attacks.. It REFLECTS.. All attacks.. as stated like 500 times in the manga and databook..





    MUU - Onooki

    People, alot of people , have been putting Muu over Itachi simply because Jinton is a "360" thing.... they claim, that yata mirror and its frontward defence would not at all protect Itachi from the molecule disintegration..
    Bullocks..

    As Ive shown before, ANY incoming attack, would be countered by the mirror and reflected... even if yata mirror has to stretch in a 360 manner to do so , similar to what happened here


    This isnt solely for Jinton....Any incoming taijutsu attack will be countered... yata mirror repelled Sasuke's and his kusunagi thrust....
    People claim that A would be able to go behind yata mirror and attack.. Once again, this isn't a legendary spirtual item for crap and giggles..Like gaara's sand, the yata mirror protects the user from ANY attack



    But how far can yata mirror really go?
    Its not exactly clear, the databook mostly speaks of its impervious fortitude when pitted against jutsu


    Material

    Astral

    Physical

    and Ninjutsu

    What I want you to focus on is the two bolded

    as·tral
    /ˈastrəl/
    Adjective
    Of or relating to a supposed nonphysical realm of existence in which the physical human body is said to have a counterpart.

    what? : o, Databook implies that Yata mirror would even defend against non physical dimension related attacks? Attacks like Long ranged Kamui?

    ....That my friends is up to you to see and consider

    Grossly underated spiritual items



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    Another thing everyone should note is the sheer speed that the shape manipulation happens... The mirror moves from its small state to incredibly large withing milliseconds of the attack actually hitting

    Inb4 Bogard, minator94 Soloking solos
    Still can't defend against FTG, as it is not something that one can reflect. Also, while there is no evidence that Itachi consciously controls the shape or the area that the mirror covers, there is also no evidence that it acts on it's own simply by being in Itachi's possession. Also, does this weapon not consume chakra? If so, is it's shize not proportional to how much chakra Itachi channels into it? In which case, wouldn't people saying that Minato/Raikage/Night Guy/Tobirama etc could speed blitz him from behind have a case? As Itachi's reaction time (in terms of channelling more chakra to get it to cover all around) would be the determining factor in whether it can protect him from behind in time or not? Even if you disgard that theory as speculation and say that the Yata acts on it's own without Itachi consciously controlling it or channeling more chakra to it, the Yata would still have to cover all around in the split second it takes for those fast guys to travel around him. I doubt the yata is faster than instant (FTG) in that respect, or even faster than the raikage or Guy.
     
         
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    Re: Yata Mirror Grossly Underated- HardCounter to Dust Release

    Nice analysis, I don't know if it can defend against Kamui though...
     
         

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    Re: Yata Mirror Grossly Underated- HardCounter to Dust Release

    lel dat necro.

    If people want to go so technical, ftg and kamui don't have to be considered attacks.
     
         

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    Re: Yata Mirror Grossly Underated- HardCounter to Dust Release

    Believe in da hype
     
         

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    Re: Yata Mirror Grossly Underated- HardCounter to Dust Release

    This thread is 5 months old. Why bring it back up?
     
         

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    Re: Yata Mirror Grossly Underated- HardCounter to Dust Release

    Quote Originally Posted by Derek1st View Post
    Here is something people simply don't understand. Some people say "Its in the manga so if you disagree, then you disagree with kishi" and others say "Oh that character said it but they don't know what they are talking about". For crying out loud people, you have to pay attention to the context. So far, gaara, sasuke, orochimaru, itachi, and the third raikage have boasted techniques that are "the ultimate defense". Obviously not all of them are right. When kabuto says that the edo tensei is the "strongest most unbeatable jutsu in the ninja world", he is hyping his OWN technique. This situation is different. Let me ask you something, why do you think that kishi even made zetsu watch that fight and commentate? Because he is a source of information for during the fight. Its like a sports commentator giving you unbiased facts during a game. His sole purpose in the plot was to say that the yata mirror is invincible and that kirin is literally fast as lightning. I'm not the biggest itachi fan, and i'm not fond of sasuke, but these are actual "manga facts". There sole purpose for being in the manga was to inform the readers that this actually IS the ultimate defense. Now i'm not saying that theres no way to speed blitz itachi in this form or anything, but i do believe that NO traditional attack (no matter how intense the magnitude of the force) will penetrate the yata mirror. If you agree/disagree, please inbox me or leave a comment
    Agreed. Good summary.
    Only weakness is that Itachi would run out of Chakra after a while.
     
         

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