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    Re: Yata Mirror Grossly Underated- HardCounter to Dust Release

    What would happen if you attack the strongest shield (Yata) with the strongest blade (Totsuka)?

    Lawl, Unfortunately, totsuka doesn't have strongest blade hype, it just states it can seal anything it pierces .. but that doesn't mean it can pierce everything

    its limit ? yet to be known what exactly that liquid thing can go through
     
         

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    Re: Yata Mirror Grossly Underated- HardCounter to Dust Release

    Quote Originally Posted by Owarij View Post

    Lawl, Unfortunately, totsuka doesn't have strongest blade hype, it just states it can seal anything it pierces .. but that doesn't mean it can pierce everything

    its limit ? yet to be known what exactly that liquid thing can go through

    well the raikage's hell stab might be stronger
     
         

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    Re: Yata Mirror Grossly Underated- HardCounter to Dust Release

    nice thread btw. really good points. I can see a lot of work and thought went into this.
     
         

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    Re: Yata Mirror Grossly Underated- HardCounter to Dust Release

    Quote Originally Posted by Q of the Sharingan View Post
    What type of counters?
    For starters, the Wood Clone technique.

    Madara said he was the only one ever able to see through the technique, this is overwhelmingly attributed to his EMS abilities. With the technique he can effectively counter the Totsuka Blade, then in turn appear at a distant location from under the ground. This could perhaps give him entrance right into the blind spot of Susano'o - where Itachi himself is present.

    I would show scans, but I feel all of this goes without saying. I'll be glad to provide scans if needed.
     
         

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    Re: Yata Mirror Grossly Underated- HardCounter to Dust Release

    distant location from under the ground.
    Another overlooked ability ,
    Susanno is also capable of phasing through earth and attacking someone


    Also we don't know if yata mirror has any blindspots...Its been shown to change shape and size based on the incoming attack.. so what happens when an underground attack comes?

    still a toss up
     
         
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    Re: Yata Mirror Grossly Underated- HardCounter to Dust Release

    nice find man I never noticed the shape changing thing.
     
         

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    Re: Yata Mirror Grossly Underated- HardCounter to Dust Release

    You should also note just how FAST the shape changing happens.. its practically instant... right before the bombs even exploded, yata mirror expanded in the blink of an eye
     
         

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    Re: Yata Mirror Grossly Underated- HardCounter to Dust Release

    Awesome thread owarij man you have two sharp eyes
    and i always enjoy your threads bro ***** thanked post and liked
    The thread was enjoyable with evidence backed up however i belive even yata mirror has a limit like everything else despite it being a spirtial item Who know a tbb from the ten tails maybe idkn as for the shape transformation i always supported this theory after all we all know susanoo items grow look at madara s susanoo look at sasuke s ver 2 susanoo the one the items appear for the first time danzo fight and then look at the one with kakashi fight susanoo ver 3 it was clear from the very beggining bro but you know hater well they will hate as for people saying onoki using jinto to one hit itachi can someone please tell me how did madara handle to jinton users without ps can someone please tell me what does Ms madara without perfect susanoo has more than itachi i ll go as far as saying itachi has shown to be one of the fastest in the series in foot also in hand seals who do you think would be performed faster amaterasu or jinton heck itachi could simply even out speed them with a simple katon techique to block their line of sight let s not forget about shunshin agian as for the actuall thread awesome one full of evidence to support it i fully agree and as for the toska limit btw since its a spirtual item it can strech as long as it likes since it has no physical form bro so i don't think there is a limit to what toska can seal at least that s what you think who knows
     
         

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    Re: Yata Mirror Grossly Underated- HardCounter to Dust Release

    Itachi > Juubi.
     
         

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    Re: Yata Mirror Grossly Underated- HardCounter to Dust Release

    Quote Originally Posted by ' ~ Dantee ~ ' View Post
    Itachi > Juubi.
    you said this cuz I said toska has no limit in sealing Right well Juubi is a huge chakra being i think all it has to do is kill itachi and cut the link between toska and the sealing jar as for how is he going to do that probably because even toska has a chakra sealing speed limit
     
         

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    Re: Yata Mirror Grossly Underated- HardCounter to Dust Release

    Quote Originally Posted by sindi1997 View Post
    you said this cuz I said toska has no limit in sealing Right well Juubi is a huge chakra being i think all it has to do is kill itachi and cut the link between toska and the sealing jar as for how is he going to do that probably because even toska has a chakra sealing speed limit
    How is he going to kill him while he's being sealed and he has the yata mirror.
     
         

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    Re: Yata Mirror Grossly Underated- HardCounter to Dust Release

    nice thread and where did you get those manga scans?
     
         

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    Re: Yata Mirror Grossly Underated- HardCounter to Dust Release

    Pure speculation, but these items were essentially residing in Itachi's Mangekyō Sharingan under the mechanism, Susano'o. Sasuke has since assimilated Itachi's ocular techniques, so these items may resurface in Sasuke's Eternal Mangekyō Sharingan, and if so, we may get to see their full capabilities.
     
         
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    Re: Yata Mirror Grossly Underated- HardCounter to Dust Release

    Quote Originally Posted by Owarij View Post
    Another overlooked ability ,
    Susanno is also capable of phasing through earth and attacking someone


    Also we don't know if yata mirror has any blindspots...Its been shown to change shape and size based on the incoming attack.. so what happens when an underground attack comes?

    still a toss up
    Susano'o is able to phase through the ground. But that isn't the point. How is Itachi going to get under the ground amidst his attack? Also Susano'o typically has to be either in skeletal form (without the flesh) or a higher iteration in order to utilize the Mirror/Sword (to hold it). Madara was only able to phase under the ground due to the usage of the Wood Clone and the fact that his Susano's arm was only present, not the entire or partial manifestation like Madara's was when he used it against Tsunade (only the arm/rib cage was used).

    You're also overlooking the main element that made Wood Clone so deadly - its unpredictability. Remember, Madara said only he was able to anticipate it. Would Itachi know to counter from under the ground? Would Itachi be able to detect it? Is Itachi's Susano'o able to even use the Yata Mirror while being underground?

    I don't think it's very much of a toss up analyzing the mechanics of the respective techniques--in fact, if anything the odds are pretty much skewed in favor of Wood Clone.
     
         
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    Re: Yata Mirror Grossly Underated- HardCounter to Dust Release

    Quote Originally Posted by Prince Charles View Post
    nice thread and where did you get those manga scans?
    This as well. I did not see some of these scans in the translation I read. Mind showing your sources, Owariji?
     
         

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    Re: Yata Mirror Grossly Underated- HardCounter to Dust Release

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    Everything is underrated or overrated based on varying personal preferences and opinions. Get over it.
    It's you!

    OT: I didn't think it was underrated, I was sure it could take jinton.
     
         

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    Viz scans ^ @Forget Me Not @Prince Charles


    Pure speculation, but these items were essentially residing in Itachi's Mangekyō Sharingan under the mechanism, Susano'o. Sasuke has since assimilated Itachi's ocular techniques, so these items may resurface in Sasuke's Eternal Mangekyō Sharingan, and if so, we may get to see their full capabilities.
    Hmm maybe, I feel it would be a waste if Itachi simply died with them
     
         

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    Re: Yata Mirror Grossly Underated- HardCounter to Dust Release

    Quote Originally Posted by Owarij View Post
    Another overlooked ability ,
    Susanno is also capable of phasing through earth and attacking someone


    Also we don't know if yata mirror has any blindspots...Its been shown to change shape and size based on the incoming attack.. so what happens when an underground attack comes?

    still a toss up

    As it is a manifestation of the user's chakra, the user can choose what part of Susano'o is, and isn't tangible— just enough to truly interact with it's surroundings. It is not capable of phasing like Kamui.
     
         

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    Damn, viz scans have all the juicy stuff
     
         

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    Re: Yata Mirror Grossly Underated- HardCounter to Dust Release

    Quote Originally Posted by Omnipotent View Post
    It's you!

    OT: I didn't think it was underrated, I was sure it could take jinton.
    I don't really think it's a question as to what it's able to negate, but rather how. I don't doubt it could tank an entire TBB, but when characters like Minato come to mind I think speed would likely be an issue.

    Susano'o lacks lateral speed. It isn't completely immobile, but it isn't exactly fast either, much less blinding fast as Minato is. Minato's speed coupled with FTG is essentially instantaneous; the Yata Mirror could not expand in a mere instant, at the speed of light.

    Now this isn't an argument as to who's stronger out of Minato and Itachi, the point being is the speed is definitely quite possibly a potential counter to the Yata Mirror (as well as Itachi's Susano'o as he doesn't have the intangibility of Sasuke's Susano'o due to Sasuke's Blaze Release/Enton).

    Like I said, I can think of at least a few feasible counters to Yata Mirror. Just very few characters would be able to exercise them - and even fewer currently alive.
     
         

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    As it is a manifestation of the user's chakra, the user can choose what part of Susano'o is, and isn't tangible— just enough to truly interact with it's surroundings. It is not capable of phasing like Kamui.
    Yeaa , that better explains it, as I was confused when Madara's susanno was slipping through earth like Zetsu
     
         

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    Re: Yata Mirror Grossly Underated- HardCounter to Dust Release

    Quote Originally Posted by Owarij View Post
    Viz scans ^ @Forget Me Not @Prince Charles

    Hmm maybe, I feel it would be a waste if Itachi simply died with them
    Thanks. Viz scans are truly a wonder.

    Also, I posted my counterargument to your previous assertion.
     
         

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    Re: Yata Mirror Grossly Underated- HardCounter to Dust Release

    Quote Originally Posted by Lentz View Post
    What would happen if you attacked the strongest shield (Yata) with the strongest blade (Totsuka)?
    Honestly, nothing would happen...Totsuka Blade is a physical weapon as proving in his fight against Orochimaru when Itachi was cutting the heads of the snakes of Orochimaru's when he was in his Eight Branches Technique form....Now as you can see when Itachi was cutting the heads of the snakes there were blood coming from the heads of the snakes and as the OP said and according to the Databook Yata Mirror also protects the user from Physical attacks and paper bombs and kunais are also physical attacks Shinobis use and Yata Mirror displayed it can defend from both of those things when Sasuke throw Kunais with paper bombs right at Itachi and Yata Mirror protected him from it.






     
         
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    Since you posted this scan

    Everyone should pay attention to what happens to the snakes once they hit the mirror, they didnt just clash into it, they were sent in another direction, repelled if you may.. as the databook states it does.. Sasuke and his blade was also tossed backwards when he came running in..

    I really do wish we could have seen the full extent of the shield

    re·pel
    /riˈpel/
    Verb
    Drive or force (an attack or attacker) back or away.
    (of a magnetic pole or electric field) Force (something similarly magnetized or charged) away from itself.
    Synonyms
    repulse - reject - repudiate - fight off
    re·flect·ed, re·flect·ing, re·flects
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    1. To throw or bend back (light, for example) from a surface. See Synonyms at echo.
    2. To give back or show an image of (an object); mirror.
    3. To make apparent; express or manifest: Her work reflects intelligence.
    4. To bring as a consequence: The victory reflects credit on the coach.
    5. Archaic To bend back.
    The databook specifically uses repel or reflect when describing what the yata mirror does.. and not Block, which is what a normal shield would do
     
         
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    Re: Yata Mirror Grossly Underated- HardCounter to Dust Release

    Quote Originally Posted by Owarij View Post


    Since you posted this scan

    Everyone should pay attention to what happens to the snakes once they hit the mirror, they didnt just clash into it, they were sent in another direction, repelled if you may.. as the databook states it does.. Sasuke and his blade was also tossed backwards when he came running in..

    I really do wish we could have seen the full extent of the shield




    The databook specifically uses repel or reflect when describing what the yata mirror does.. and not Block, which is what a normal shield would do
    Or maybe Sasuke will get it and then we get to see it in full action

    Edit: also look where Yata Mirror pushed the 8 headed sneaks back.
     
         
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