Yata Mirror Grossly Underated- HardCounter to Dust Release

[Sage mode Tobi]

dust release destroys in an atomic level. susanoo is not physical

Oonoki just did Dust release against all of those wood clones Susanoo's and destroyed them all. Dust Release WILL destroy Itachi's Susanoo.

[iHateFanBoys]

That man Itachi is GREAT. With this info wouldnt that kind of make him best char in narutoverse? Seems unbeatable with Tsukuyomi Yata Mirror, Intelligence, Totsuka blade, amatersu, Susanoo' and yeah everyone knows his arsenal

[Forget Me Not]

Umm jinton can't break down a ethereal shield into bare molecules .....its ethereal.

No one said anything about breaking it down. I meant due to the radius of the technique it could probably hit Itachi and disintegrate him. It could also probably dismantle Susano'o in the process.

And by the way, Susano'o is indeed physical. Anything that has mass, can be touched or felt, is by definition physical. The Yata Mirror is not physical. But Susano'o is, and that could just be the underlying weakness.

[Underdog ninja]

Spoken like a rational human being. Besides Itachi is dead so the Yata mirror is lost.

maybe sasuke got it with itachis eyes! :D

[Forget Me Not]

That man Itachi is GREAT. With this info wouldnt that kind of make him best char in narutoverse? Seems unbeatable with Tsukuyomi Yata Mirror, Intelligence, Totsuka blade, amatersu, Susanoo' and yeah everyone knows his arsenal

No. All of the things you stated have weaknesses, as does Itachi. He isn't invincible, just one of the strongest shinobi ever. Top 10 at the very least.

[2big]

Yes i know it is underrated itachis suasnoo i believe is the strongest but his illness would probably be the only thing that could kill him in his state not being a fanboy or anything he just has you know like TWO LEGENDARY SPIRITUAL WEAPONS...

[Forget Me Not]

Yes i know it is underrated itachis suasnoo i believe is the strongest

Perfect Susano'o (Madara) says hi.

[2big]

Perfect Susano'o (Madara) says hi.

that doesnt matter even is itachi had the two weapons without susanoo he would still win unless he lost chakra or illness

[Forget Me Not]

that doesnt matter even is itachi had the two weapons without susanoo he would still win unless he lost chakra or illness

Ok

[VangBro95]

Why not just re-watch the episode again to see if it expands or not.

[Forget Me Not]

Why not just re-watch the episode again to see if it expands or not.

I guess it's because anime is generally considered non-canon. OP provided VIZ scans, it's known that it can expand, it's just unknown whether it expands automatically or by the user discretion.

[hfuya]

Guys guys... It's a graphic Novel series. I love it too. I ponder it. But non of its real. Lets just all take a breath and be friends

[Forget Me Not]

Guys guys... It's a graphic Novel series. I love it too. I ponder it. But non of its real. Lets just all take a breath and be friends

This is pretty much just a simple discussion. No one is worked up or anything in this thread, we're just debating a topic.

[AlphaNinja]

5000 rasenshurikens+Tailed Beast Bomb<Yata Mirror

[jsrhoden]

I'm not saying that the Yata Mirror doesn't block everything, but couldn't Kishi have toned it down with the hyperbole a bit?

According to chapter 523, the Bluntsword Helmsplitter "Crushes any and all defences"

[T Bogard]

Nice thread and all, but one thing you must realise is that Kishi always like hyperboles in this manga. One day he says one thing and tomorrow you see the counter. Like he said Gaara's sand was the ultimate defense, yet Lee countered it. Like he said Susanoo was the ultimate defense, yet we saw that underground was the weakness. Like he says in his databook that Amaterasu burns at the same temperatur as sun, but we all know that it's impossible, or everyone around it would have been desintegrated in an instant.

If we go by that logic, must i say that Raikiri can pierce thru Yata mirror then? After all Raikiri's databook says it pierces thru everything:

The one who is said to have copied over 1000 jutsu, Kakashi's single original
technique, this is "Raikiri"! Gai says that the true nature of this technique is
"a regular stab", but the amazing time when you see this huge amount of chakra
is gathered in the hand, Kakashi's arm becomes a famous blade that can cut
through anything.

Even Gai said it in the manga

If we go by the databook3, when Kakashi wasn't able to use his kamui perfectly, Kamui is the ultimate technique and against this technique no defense is possible(yata mirror included?)

Kakashi's original doujutsu, released from the "Mangekyou Sharingan". It allows one to transfer anything to another dimension. If one spends a lot of time and trains one's chakra over and over again, this technique can be invoked. The target is enveloped with a barrier space, and the user concentrates their mind to what they gaze at... The target can struggle helplessly, but against this technique no defence is possible. No matter what, the space will distort and draw the target in.
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↑When the technique is invoked, the space at the centre of the barrier is distorted and the target inside the barrier is drawn in completely... There is no technique that can compete against this one.

On the second bold part, you even see him saying that there is no technique that can compete against this one. And it's validated when Kakashi said Kamui is unstoppable:



If it is true, does it mean that Kakashi is invincible right now?

[Champ]

Only Onoki with Tsunade's chakra will Jinton destroy, Itachi if he tries to tank it head up

[MrSimple]

, I can only imagine if Itachi had PS with his tools. Pure ownage...

[Gouryuuka]

The sole fact that it is a spiritual defense that can adhere to any attack to render it useless is reason enough for its invincibility.

[Baka Sennin]

great find, that's canon proof that it's a 360 protection then. i suppose that does make it invincible apart from perhaps teleporting into susanoo itself and circumventing the shield, maybe. although, the fact that itachi's invincibility is intrinsically linked to his ability to wield a full susanoo doesn't say much really as he's only able to do so for minutes, at best. he needs to finish the match before he goes blind or dies of exhaustion.

[Baka Sennin]

great find, that's canon proof that it's a 360 protection then. i suppose that does make it invincible apart from perhaps teleporting into susanoo itself and circumventing the shield, maybe. although, the fact that itachi's invincibility is intrinsically linked to his ability to wield a full susanoo doesn't say much really as he's only able to do so for minutes, at best. he needs to finish the match before he goes blind or dies of exhaustion. that is enough to put muu above him imo, once his susanoo loses the shield he's toast, and muu is incredibly hard to hit with his sensing abilities and splitting.

[fastrthnwind]

I have one thing to say.

If that is true, then itachi will not be able to attack while he is holding yata mirror because it covers the susanoo when he is attacked.

In that case, as long as someone is able to continuously attack him, Itachi will have no way of retaliating because of the yata mirrors protection, which will force itachi to hold up susanoo and waste his chakra.

[Carlhens]

You have to be an idiot to underated Yata Mirror since its invincible to all attacks

[PrimeOfTheSixPaths]

Yata Mirror is not even close to being underrated.

It's just forgotten and hardly used in arguements.

[Scryed]

You showed proof.

Though it's confusing as the Dust Release would cover the Susanoo and if the Yata Mirror gives a 360 protection zone, wouldn't it be from anything that attacks outside of it? Meaning attacks from the inside would still harm whatever is inside of the Yata Mirror's 360 protection if it sorrounds Susanoo from all angles. Hence why people say that only the Yata Mirror will remain if Jinton is used on Itachi.

If Dust Release detonates inside of Susanoo then would Yata Mirror engulf Itachi's body through the Susanoo?