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    Re: Yata Mirror Grossly Underated- HardCounter to Dust Release

    Itachi is awesome. We know. The end.
     
         

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    Re: Yata Mirror Grossly Underated- HardCounter to Dust Release

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    Top page to the left. All attacks including astral lose all meaning.
    now post for me the description of kamui pls
     
         

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    Re: Yata Mirror Grossly Underated- HardCounter to Dust Release

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    now read for me the description of kamui pls
    Key words: Lose their meaning.
     
         

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    Re: Yata Mirror Grossly Underated- HardCounter to Dust Release

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    Key words: Lose their meaning.
    lol you're reading the description too literal. that simply means "no effect" "ineffective" or similar to that. kishi is not pertaining to other jutsus description in the manga.

    i bet if yata mirror is used by kakashi and kamui is itachi's technique you'll believe that kamui can destroy it.
     
         

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    Re: Yata Mirror Grossly Underated- HardCounter to Dust Release

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    what would happen if you attacked the strongest shield (yata) with the strongest blade (totsuka)?
    inception
     
         

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    Re: Yata Mirror Grossly Underated- HardCounter to Dust Release

    Quote Originally Posted by khaydz5 View Post
    lol you're reading the description too literal. that simply means "no effect" "ineffective" or similar to that. kishi is not pertaining to other jutsus description in the manga.

    i bet if yata mirror is used by kakashi and kamui is itachi's technique you'll believe that kamui can destroy it.


    Yata mirror changes it's attributes according to the attack. If Kamui went against Kamui it will cancel out. That is what is happening when using the yata mirror.
     
         
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    Re: Yata Mirror Grossly Underated- HardCounter to Dust Release

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    Yata mirror changes it's attributes according to the attack. If Kamui went against Kamui it will cancel out. That is what is happening when using the yata mirror.
    nope, you're being biased to the description of yata mirror and ignoring description of kamui because obviously,you're an itachi fan.

    if you'll consider every description of jutsu in the databook, the "there is NO defense against kamui" includes yata mirror.
     
         

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    nope, you're being biased to the description of yata mirror and ignoring description of kamui because obviously,you're an itachi fan.

    if you'll consider every description of jutsu in the databook, the "there is NO defense against kamui" includes yata mirror.
    It may seem bias but what I'm doing is contrasting the hyperbole and the way a jutsu works. A hyperbole is Itachi is invincible or their is no defense for kamui. If we look at how the jutsus work then it makes sense how Yata counters Kamui.
     
         

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    Re: Yata Mirror Grossly Underated- HardCounter to Dust Release

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    It may seem bias but what I'm doing is contrasting the hyperbole and the way a jutsu works. A hyperbole is Itachi is invincible or their is no defense for kamui. If we look at how the jutsus work then it makes sense how Yata counters Kamui.
    based on how the jutsu works, kamui should work against anything, it simply sucks everything and put it in another dimension.

    we never seen enough of yata mirror. in the manga, only weak ass attacks have been deflected by this overrated item. kishi had told us alot of hyperboles and later contradict itself in the manga.

    I just wonder why itachi didnt use it against CT or the white rage(forgot the exact name) jutsu of kabuto, it should work on those kind of attacks right?lol

    well anyway since you love itachi I'm sure you wont change your mind. no point in arguing.
     
         

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    Re: Yata Mirror Grossly Underated- HardCounter to Dust Release

    Dantee,

    i think the noobs are right on this one. kamui doesnt contain elements to deflect and it has already shown the ability to effect etherial objects, sasukes susanoo arrow. Your reading too much into the scan. What your saying is that obito wouldnt be able to walk trough Yata...it was never stated to guard againts the other dimention.
     
         

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    Re: Yata Mirror Grossly Underated- HardCounter to Dust Release

    Just pull Itachi out of Susanoo, he'll be done for in no time. One more thing, Yata Mirror in a shield, it only covers the front of it's summoner, not the back. Sure it can change the properties but it's meaningless if the summoner ( Itachi ) has no Idea where the attacks are coming from, remeber Susanoo is not itelligent or a living organism, Susanoo is just materialized chakra, it has no meaning if Susanoo doesn't have the control or direction of the User.

    PS : Yata mirror is OVERRATED !!!!
     
         

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    Re: Yata Mirror Grossly Underated- HardCounter to Dust Release

    Quote Originally Posted by khaydz5 View Post
    based on how the jutsu works, kamui should work against anything, it simply sucks everything and put it in another dimension.

    we never seen enough of yata mirror. in the manga, only weak ass attacks have been deflected by this overrated item. kishi had told us alot of hyperboles and later contradict itself in the manga.

    I just wonder why itachi didnt use it against CT or the white rage(forgot the exact name) jutsu of kabuto, it should work on those kind of attacks right?lol

    well anyway since you love itachi I'm sure you wont change your mind. no point in arguing.

    Yata mirror against CT? How would that help out Naruto and Bee from getting sucked in? Using Yata Mirror against white rage why? when Itachi already knew how what Kabuto was going to do.

    You understand my point now you're just in denial. Kishi has shown how yata mirror works against attacks. It entirely your own issue now you won't acceept it.
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    Dantee,

    i think the noobs are right on this one. kamui doesnt contain elements to deflect and it has already shown the ability to effect etherial objects, sasukes susanoo arrow. Your reading too much into the scan. What your saying is that obito wouldnt be able to walk trough Yata...it was never stated to guard againts the other dimention.
    Yata mirrors abilities has nothing to do with changing elements only it's attributes. It can become anything it wants.
     
         

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    Re: Yata Mirror Grossly Underated- HardCounter to Dust Release

    J O K E R disliked, haha. You're right, Yatas mirror is the ultimate defense, what is further stated by black Zetsu, who hides Madaras knowledge and by the databook. It's just logical, as we're talking about godly weapons. Pierced by Totsukas blade, Nagato, an immortal Rinnegan user, was directly rendered powerless.
     
         

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    Re: Yata Mirror Grossly Underated- HardCounter to Dust Release

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    Yata mirror against CT? How would that help out Naruto and Bee from getting sucked in? Using Yata Mirror against white rage why? when Itachi already knew how what Kabuto was going to do.

    You understand my point now you're just in denial. Kishi has shown how yata mirror works against attacks. It entirely your own issue now you won't acceept it.


    Yata mirrors abilities has nothing to do with changing elements only it's attributes. It can become anything it wants.
    No. The Yata Mirror can't become whatever it wants because it's not a living organism.
     
         

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    Re: Yata Mirror Grossly Underated- HardCounter to Dust Release

    Quote Originally Posted by J O K E R View Post
    No. The Yata Mirror can't become whatever it wants because it's not a living organism.
    Living organisms can become whatever they want? Yatas mirror is a spiritual weapon without a physical form, whose shape can consequently be changed by Itachi. I think, everyone who read Owarijs post agrees with it.

    If databook says, Preta-Path absorbs any Ninjutsu, people claim it could suck up the Mokuton, as soon as it comes to Uchiha techniques, everyone wants do disagree.
     
         

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    Re: Yata Mirror Grossly Underated- HardCounter to Dust Release

    Quote Originally Posted by Strict View Post
    Living organisms can become whatever they want? Yatas mirror is a spiritual weapon without a physical form, whose shape can consequently be changed by Itachi. I think, everyone who read Owarijs post agrees with it.

    If databook says, Preta-Path absorbs any Ninjutsu, people claim it could suck up the Mokuton, as soon as it comes to Uchiha techniques, everyone wants do disagree.
    But does space have a physical form?
     
         

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    Re: Yata Mirror Grossly Underated- HardCounter to Dust Release

    Quote Originally Posted by Strict View Post
    Living organisms can become whatever they want? Yatas mirror is a spiritual weapon without a physical form, whose shape can consequently be changed by Itachi. I think, everyone who read Owarijs post agrees with it.

    If databook says, Preta-Path absorbs any Ninjutsu, people claim it could suck up the Mokuton, as soon as it comes to Uchiha techniques, everyone wants do disagree.
    You should read my posts then, which everyone seems to be ignoring. I made a decent counter to his speculations.
     
         

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    Re: Yata Mirror Grossly Underated- HardCounter to Dust Release

    Yata mirror is a LEGENDARY WEAPON and its invisible according to the black zetsu ( madara ) but ofc its not invisible cause itachi himself said that every jutsu has a weakness ( even kamuie ) but we should know that the Yata mirror is the ultimate defensive in narutoverse. But its not invisible.
     
         

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    Re: Yata Mirror Grossly Underated- HardCounter to Dust Release

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    Yata mirror against CT? How would that help out Naruto and Bee from getting sucked in? Using Yata Mirror against white rage why? when Itachi already knew how what Kabuto was going to do.

    You understand my point now you're just in denial. Kishi has shown how yata mirror works against attacks. It entirely your own issue now you won't acceept it.


    Yata mirrors abilities has nothing to do with changing elements only it's attributes. It can become anything it wants.
    kamui isn't a physical or etherial attack it is a warping of space and time. Yata cannot deflect or adjust to something that isn't attacking it being that it is a shield that response to the users anticipation of the incoming attack. Kamui has no counter but kamui itself.
     
         

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    Re: Yata Mirror Grossly Underated- HardCounter to Dust Release

    Quote Originally Posted by PuppyDogGeneral View Post
    kamui isn't a physical or etherial attack it is a warping of space and time. Yata cannot deflect or adjust to something that isn't attacking it being that it is a shield that response to the users anticipation of the incoming attack. Kamui has no counter but kamui itself.
    If kamuie has no weakness or a counter then is it safe to say kamuie > so6p huh????
     
         

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    Re: Yata Mirror Grossly Underated- HardCounter to Dust Release

    Quote Originally Posted by PuppyDogGeneral View Post
    kamui isn't a physical or etherial attack it is a warping of space and time. Yata cannot deflect or adjust to something that isn't attacking it being that it is a shield that response to the users anticipation of the incoming attack. Kamui has no counter but kamui itself.

    .. interesting...
     
         

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    Re: Yata Mirror Grossly Underated- HardCounter to Dust Release

    soo would kumui only warp the shield if it was capable of doing so? or the whole susano?

    and if it was warped does that mean that itachi doesn't have the item anymore? or could he simply recast the shield? or are these questions unanswerable lol
     
         

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    Re: Yata Mirror Grossly Underated- HardCounter to Dust Release

    soo would kumui only warp the shield if it was capable of doing so? or the whole susano?

    and if it was warped does that mean that itachi doesn't have the item anymore? or could he simply recast the shield? or are these questions unanswerable lol

    edit:sorry for the double post, how do i delete?
     
         
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    Re: Yata Mirror Grossly Underated- HardCounter to Dust Release

    Sorry but i disagree, dust release will surround the whole susanoo. Yata cant defend from all angles
     
         

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    Re: Yata Mirror Grossly Underated- HardCounter to Dust Release

    ^ Never read the thread, you'd see scans of it doing that


    @the rest, I'm in my HCI class , so when I get home i'll reply

    I did a quick read through..
    People do realize ASTRAL attacks are listed under the things yata mirror can defend from....
    The ONLY astral attack in the databook or displayed in the manga since the last db was KAMUI...

     
         

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