Proof of Kishi thinking ahead.

[Dribbles]

Take a look at what Tobi says



'Some weirdo takes you in and starts telling saying all these shocking things.'

Pretty much refers to Obito and Madara's first meeting.

But I guess Kishi pretty much planned it from the end of the first Naruto series, no point in throwing the 'Kakashi Chronicles' In there if it wasn't going to have any meaning later.

It's just a topic that's been brought up about Kishi making a last second move, some people are retarded tbh.

[2big]

nah he had a plot line but details were not official

[Shogi]

He plans a lot of the story but not the fine detail, it would have been impossible for him to plan everything since part 1 till now in his head, he just plans the basic story line and evolves it more in-depth as time goes on.

[Arian]

Of course he plans it..who ever thought he made tobi obito in lastt minute is a stupid idiot..kishi is a genious..creating such a genious story beyond believe!

[Jellal Fernandes]

He has always planned ahead..Just saying. You got that from the other thread btw..

[A Pimp Named Slickback]

Of course he plans it..who ever thought he made tobi obito in lastt minute is a stupid idiot..kishi is a genious..creating such a genious story beyond believe!

Get your lips of Kishi ass

[TheWillofFire]

Thats how Uchihas like to greet each other

Yea kishi is a genius

[Jellal Fernandes]

Get your lips of Kishi ass

This made me laugh so hard..

[Chiharu]

Well most writers plan ahead...
But the chronicles weren't just to prepare the introduction of Obito...That could happen with Kakashi's flashbacks or not happen at all.Everybody was wondering how Kakashi got the sharingan and the chronicles were to clear this up.Most of the times Kishi introduces the villains and then through the development of the story their past is revealed...If Tobi wasn't Obito the chronicles would still have meaning and point.And Madara never revealed any shocking truth about Obito's past,history etc,etc...He mainly spoke to him about his past(Madaras).So that line doesn't indicate much.Kishi might have another story in his mind.

[Mr.Beastie]

He has always planned ahead..Just saying. You got that from the other thread btw..

Not always in part one he constantly gave us a sense that destiny was not a part of somones success especially during the neji vs naruto fight.
Yet in shippuden he made naruto the chosen one.
He clearly has commitment issues when it comes to the way his manga goes.

[Regina]

Yeah he definitely planned ahead. I don't really understand why people think he didn't when theres so much foreshadowing in the early chapter covers of naruto, I mean I'm sure he changes some stuff but it seems pretty obvious he's had the important stuff planned from the start.

[laharl81]

Not always in part one he constantly gave us a sense that destiny was not a part of somones success especially during the neji vs naruto fight.
Yet in shippuden he made naruto the chosen one.
He clearly has commitment issues when it comes to the way his manga goes.

I noticed that, it turns out in the end Neji was completely right.

[Ero sennin jiraiya]

I thought about this last time i read that chapter as well. You can find things like this a lot reading old chapters...

[Melanee]

Yes, reading back on the many chapters, I'm noticing that myself. He might not have planned out every in between detail, but the basic plot, beginning and ending were in his head long before he began chapter 1.

I noticed that, it turns out in the end Neji was completely right.

When I looked back on part 1 with Neji, I noticed his death was already foreshadowed. From the letter he read from his father, to the changes he made in his life and saying that being called a genius by certain people made him refuse to lose to Kidomaru (same words to Naruto before he died). Even being promoted to Jounin before the others, which quickly fulfilled his part of the story, leaving him with nothing to do but go on his own missions usually without his team, allowing other characters to develop. Then he died the same way he his father did, finally understanding what he was telling him in that letter.

I'm looking back on other characters now for fun and curiosity, to see how much Kishimoto had planned for them.

[Sentinelsgalore]

I always thought he would have been obito, but Kishi complicated things for himself by trying to throw off readers with the madara thing. Kishi still has'nt answered alot of questions concerning Obito controlling the fourth Mizukage and also how Obito managed to survive a massive boulder in the first place.

[elxdark]

Obviously he planned it, but not from chapter one.

[Champ]

Thought Kishi said in an interview he already has the end of Naruto set in stone, it's the events leading up to the end that he hasn't finished yet.

[supino]

Not always in part one he constantly gave us a sense that destiny was not a part of somones success especially during the neji vs naruto fight.
Yet in shippuden he made naruto the chosen one.
He clearly has commitment issues when it comes to the way his manga goes.

^ that.

I think he has a general idea of where he is going, and decides the precise idea and details as the story goes. I don't mean he decided Tobi's idea the very last moment, but not as back as that. Besides the scan doesn't really prove it... Kishi could had been hinting since then Tobi's ID (highly unlikely), or he made a reference to it during the later chapters.

[Melanee]

Not always in part one he constantly gave us a sense that destiny was not a part of somones success especially during the neji vs naruto fight.
Yet in shippuden he made naruto the chosen one.
He clearly has commitment issues when it comes to the way his manga goes.

Another way I look at it, is like what Kakashi said to Naruto. He vowed to not let his friends die, then Neji did and Kakashi said that even though he would say it himself, people still died. I wonder if the point Kishimoto was trying to get across was what reality really is, and Naruto had to basically learn a very hard lesson in order to grow. I mean, half the people Naruto gave a speech to did not survive in the end.

Naruto (and the readers) were lead to believe that you could do anything by choosing your own destiny, but in reality, things like unexpected deaths can't be controlled even if you help a person from going down a dark path.

[supino]

sorry, but how is what you said (controlling one's circumstances) connected with destiny and being the chosen-one?

[Melanee]

sorry, but how is what you said (controlling one's circumstances) connected with destiny and being the chosen-one?

Naruto's belief in changing destiny was out of his own control. What he thought he could do, the opposite happened and he still ended up stuck in a destiny already planned for him. I personally look at it as he had to realize that some things can't be changed, even though from the beginning he never gave up. Neji's death made him realize that saying he would not let his friends die did not mean it wouldn't happen. To me it was kind of like a very harsh learning lesson.

[supino]

so, basically Kishi's original idea that one can control his destiny has been retconned in the second half of the story

[swapnil5843]

Naruto's belief in changing destiny was out of his own control. What he thought he could do, the opposite happened and he still ended up stuck in a destiny already planned for him. I personally look at it as he had to realize that some things can't be changed, even though from the beginning he never gave up. Neji's death made him realize that saying he would not let his friends die did not mean it wouldn't happen. To me it was kind of like a very harsh learning lesson.

Sorry but I hope you forgot to take in to account the war has not been over yet and more importantly similar thing happened in Pain arc in which people who were killed were revived so IMO in some point time we have change of Heart for Obito and may be we will see the same phenomenon...... So Naruto's beliefs in changing the destiny will happen in due course rather if you say Kishi is planing before hand and thinking ahead then this epic speech of Hinata can considered as stepping stone for it http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/615/6
as he did for Kakashi-rin-obito

[Melanee]

so, basically Kishi's original idea that one can control his destiny has been retconned in the second half of the story

It's hard to say until we see the last chapter of the manga. It's all opinion and assumptions.

Sorry but I hope you forgot to take in to account the war has not been over yet and more importantly similar thing happened in Pain arc in which people who were killed were revived so IMO in some point time we have change of Heart for Obito and may be we will see the same phenomenon...... So Naruto's beliefs in changing the destiny will happen in due course rather if you say Kishi is planing before hand and thinking ahead then this epic speech of Hinata can considered as stepping stone for it http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/615/6
as he did for Kakashi-rin-obito

If everyone gets revived then I find the whole point of Naruto learning the true ways of a shinobi totally lost. He will always think everyone can be saved by a miracle. I think he's growing right now because he's realizing that words alone can't control destiny. If he wants to change it, he needs to take control with actions. I believe he will change things, but so far Kishimoto seems to keep making his beliefs fall apart around him. There has to be a reason for it. Usually when the hero spouts victory speeches, he wins.

[swapnil5843]

It's hard to say until we see the last chapter of the manga. It's all opinion and assumptions.



If everyone gets revived then I find the whole point of Naruto learning the true ways of a shinobi totally lost. He will always think everyone can be saved by a miracle. I think he's growing right now because he's realizing that words alone can't control destiny. If he wants to change it, he needs to take control with actions. I believe he will change things, but so far Kishimoto seems to keep making his beliefs fall apart around him. There has to be a reason for it. Usually when the hero spouts victory speeches, he wins.

Miracle did not happen it was efforts of Naruto and Jiraya which lead nagato to change of heart and believe what he himself stated once but didn't follow the same path here you can see it http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/448/4 and http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/448/7 and here http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/448/18.....
Word alone can't but naruto hard work and his tenacity to defeat 6 pains lead to the Phenomenon in the pain arc............

Even if things are falling apart but still its too early to predict but I can say this Obito is beginning to show his original self which he was when was on Minato's team with rin and Kakashi.... you'll find him comparing to naruto here in http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/611/4......

Hero's beliefs must fall apart first since it used to show desperate and to create hype for the same......

Similar thing goes for Sasuke one time he is shown evil the other time we having crying over Itachi it goes hand in hand..........