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    Re: (DrProof) Raikiri's Extirpating Aptitude

    No offense, but all this doesn't mean sh*t. Seriously, if Kishimoto cared for the logic of the real word so much, we wouldn't have fire spitting, water walking, (insert random ability here) ninjas in the first place. Plasma? Please... This is manga and accept that Kakashi is a badass drawn character who cut drawn lightning with his raikiri and that's all.
     
         

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    Re: (DrProof) Raikiri's Extirpating Aptitude

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    I don't know you, but what significance is that to me calling you pretentious?

    Unless you didn't know, Pretentious; Attempting to impress by affecting greater importance, talent, culture, etc., than is actually possessed. Now tell me where me calling you pretentious makes me pretentious, I didn't by making that observation try to make myself appear better than I am.
    I never refer to you as pretentious, I think you misleadingly added a few implications into my sentence that didn't need to be there bud.
     
         

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    Re: (DrProof) Raikiri's Extirpating Aptitude

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    I understand your reasoning, however this is hypothetically. Kakashi, and his said opponent do not initially need to be in close ranges of each other. Also, evaluate more on your theory, as to why Kirin would render Raikiri useless?



    I have indeed not lost my testicles -Odin- it is rather weird that you ask such a sexual question, as I know you to stay on topic most of the time am I wrong however? Was that all just a mask concealing the real you?

    OT: What is your make on this theory?
    Sheer size and power is really all thats needed to be said. If raikiri did have the ability to cut through it, it would definitely not dissipate all its energy. It would still land all around Kakashi, killing him.
     
         

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    Re: (DrProof) Raikiri's Extirpating Aptitude

    Quote Originally Posted by Lentz View Post
    No offense, but all this doesn't mean sh*t. Seriously, if Kishimoto cared for the logic of the real word so much, we wouldn't have fire spitting, water walking, (insert random ability here) ninjas in the first place. Plasma? Please... This is manga and accept that Kakashi is a badass drawn character who cut drawn lightning with his raikiri and that's all.
    Why exactly can't evidential logic be applied to manga? I don't get your reasoning Lentz.
     
         

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    Re: (DrProof) Raikiri's Extirpating Aptitude

    Pfft, no way man. Kakuzu nearly fried his hands off, and that was with chakra lightning, what makes you think his hands can withstand raw lightning? Not only that, but the magnitude it damages leaves Kakashi pretty much screwed. With that said, the jutsu is too large to be dispelled by simply raising your hands, with elemental chakra lightning.

    Oh, and don't hold onto the databook. "Amaterasu as hot as the sun?" Nah, not really.
     
         
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    Re: (DrProof) Raikiri's Extirpating Aptitude

    Kishi states in the Databook that the whole scenario of Kakashi cutting a lightning bolt with Chidori is a legend ... Is it true or not? we don't know.. Scientifically speaking, even with Sharingan it would be impossible for anyone to predict a strike and cut a lightning bolt before it touches the ground...Lightning may not move at the speed of light.. but it still moves at a speed much faster than what the average brain synapse works at.. However,these are ninjas of a manga, beings who easily exceed the normal capabilities of simple human beings.. Even with this in mind, it seems that even in this fictional manga, certain things remain impossible.. as Black Zetsu stated without doubt that even for a normal ninja, it would be impossible to dodge or react to

    Ps. It would be in your best interest to dumb down your next threads, as ampititude said, As nice as it may look, it gives off an ostentatious feeling
     
         
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    Re: (DrProof) Raikiri's Extirpating Aptitude

    Quote Originally Posted by Noddy View Post
    Well, I think the issue here is more centered on whether or not Kakashi can actually physically react to Kirin as opposed to his ability to predict/foresee its use. Raikiri has the necessary hype, but crucially, we haven't seen it in action, so it'll be hard to properly analyze how effective it would be in slicing Kirin, which seems to be a level above your typical lightning bolt (with regards to size/thickness [1]). It remains to be seen whether Kakashi can move his arm through a Jutsu which hits the ground in around a thousandth of a second.
    Hey Noddy, it is a great pleasure to debate with you. And as impossible as it seems, as it defies human logic itself as Lentz stated it is evidently a manga, and as I recall in my personal theory, real life logic can be applied "sometimes"..

    What I'm getting at is he's done it before as the Databook, and the manga itself has stated. I don't know how exactly (which is why I constructed this theory) but due to it being said canonically I can consistently believe that it was possible.
     
         

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    Re: (DrProof) Raikiri's Extirpating Aptitude

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    Why exactly can't evidential logic be applied to manga? I don't get your reasoning Lentz.
    Yes, your logic of assuming that Kishimoto gives two fu*ks about lightning being made of plasma and it's varying speeds can't be applied here, sorry.
     
         

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    Re: (DrProof) Raikiri's Extirpating Aptitude

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    Hey Noddy, it is a great pleasure to debate with you. And as impossible as it seems, as it defies human logic itself as Lentz stated it is evidently a manga, and as I recall in my personal theory, real life logic can be applied "sometimes"..

    What I'm getting at is he's done it before as the Databook, and the manga itself has stated. I don't know how exactly (which is why I constructed this theory) but due to it being said canonically I can consistently believe that it was possible.
    Yes, the databook said he cut a bolt, but a thick dragon made of raw lightning differs, does it not?
     
         

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    Re: (DrProof) Raikiri's Extirpating Aptitude

    Did you try to write that as complicated as possible? Other than that, I wouldn't be surprised if Guy had seen it happen. He tells it like he was there.

    Lightning is also attracted to the highest point. If he was standing in a field all he really had to do was put his arm up with raikiri active..
     
         

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    Re: (DrProof) Raikiri's Extirpating Aptitude

    Quote Originally Posted by Owarij View Post
    Kishi states in the Databook that the whole scenario of Kakashi cutting a lightning bolt with Chidori is a legend ... Is it true or not? we don't know.. Scientifically speaking, even with Sharingan it would be impossible for anyone to predict a strike and cut a lightning bolt before it touches the ground...Lightning may not move at the speed of light.. but it still moves at a speed much faster than what the average brain synapse works at.. However,these are ninjas of a manga, beings who easily exceed the normal capabilities of simple human beings.. Even with this in mind, it seems that even in this fictional manga, certain things remain impossible.. as Black Zetsu stated without doubt that even for a normal ninja, it would be impossible to dodge or react to

    Ps. It would be in your best interest to dumb down your next threads, as ampititude said, As nice as it may look, it gives of an ostentatious feeling
    Kishi does subconsciously admit it to being a legend, but it's obviously as the end result it results in being an allegory.. We cannot deduce rather our theories are correct 100%.. However, the manga has the most canonical reasons as to why the said statement can be true. Thus even if it defies human nature..


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    Oh, and don't hold onto the databook. "Amaterasu as hot as the sun?" Nah, not really.


    Indeed the databook can hype a technique/weapon.. However this was moreover a legend, leaving it as a story untold.. An allegory.. We cannot deduce rather it is correct or not.. But canonically we have evidence of said statements.
     
         

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    Re: (DrProof) Raikiri's Extirpating Aptitude

    Your argument is based on the Hype of Rikiri? I'd have thought better of you...your old self wouldn't have done a thread based on hype but proof. Or are you now... Dr. Hype?

    I've already seen several post that flaw your theory.
     
         

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    Re: (DrProof) Raikiri's Extirpating Aptitude

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    Hey Noddy, it is a great pleasure to debate with you. And as impossible as it seems, as it defies human logic itself as Lentz stated it is evidently a manga, and as I recall in my personal theory, real life logic can be applied "sometimes"..

    What I'm getting at is he's done it before as the Databook, and the manga itself has stated. I don't know how exactly (which is why I constructed this theory) but due to it being said canonically I can consistently believe that it was possible.
    Well, this is the issue I have. At least 50% of the descriptive statements in the databooks can be classed as bullshiit, more commonly known as 'hyperbole'. Raikiri being able to cut lightning may have been canonically stated, but as far as i'm concerned, this hype holds little value since from feats, Kakashi has never shown himself capable of movements with speeds exceeding that of 1000th of a second (which is the speed at which Kirin reaches the ground). Not only that, but Kakashi would have to move his arm though the entire Jutsu during this small interval, remembering that it was wide enough to both 'consume' Itachi's Susano'o and completely destroy a hill. I wouldn't go as far as saying Raikiri's hype is a lie, rather, that it is an example of common overexaggeration on Kishimoto's part. If Kakashi had/goes on to reveal movements and/or reflexes which put him on the level of reacting to and defeating a supposedly 'inescapable Jutsu', then I would probably reconsider.
     
         

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    Re: (DrProof) Raikiri's Extirpating Aptitude

    Quote Originally Posted by DrProof View Post
    Kishi does subconsciously admit it to being a legend, but it's obviously as the end result it results in being an allegory.. We cannot deduce rather our theories are correct 100%.. However, the manga has the most canonical reasons as to why the said statement can be true. Thus even if it defies human nature..






    Indeed the databook can hype a technique/weapon.. However this was moreover a legend, leaving it as a story untold.. An allegory.. We cannot deduce rather it is correct or not.. But canonically we have evidence of said statements.
    Seems like hyperbole to me. And as it is a legend, we cannot actually confirm Gai's statement. It's possible, but the odds are stacked against Raikiri. Kirin isn't your everyday Raiton technique.
     
         

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    Re: (DrProof) Raikiri's Extirpating Aptitude

    Quote Originally Posted by PuppyDogGeneral View Post
    Your argument is based on the Hype of Rikiri? I'd have thought better of you...your old self wouldn't have done a thread of this based on hype but proof.
    Or are you now... Dr. Hype?

    I've already seen several post that flaw your theory.
    You change your opinion of me, because of a thread such as this? That gives a situational opinion? If so your opinion means nothing as hence forth..

    OT: We cannot deduce rather or not said theory is true or not, as I've stated it is an Allegory.
     
         

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    Re: (DrProof) Raikiri's Extirpating Aptitude

    Noddy pretty much shutdown the thread...
     
         

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    Re: (DrProof) Raikiri's Extirpating Aptitude

    Quote Originally Posted by SasoriOfTheRedSaand View Post
    Pfft, no way man. Kakuzu nearly fried his hands off, and that was with chakra lightning, what makes you think his hands can withstand raw lightning? Not only that, but the magnitude it damages leaves Kakashi pretty much screwed. With that said, the jutsu is too large to be dispelled by simply raising your hands, with elemental chakra lightning.
    Hmm, you have some point in the lightning not matching the size of his hand, however, by simply accumulating enough static charge in his hand, it could be possible oppose or redistribute the lightning, thus actually forcing the lightning to split in 2 parts, divided evenly on each side of his hand or arm. That is of course that the size of the lightning upon impact does not differ too much compared to the hand, since else the distortion effect from the hand would mean nothing due to the power/force the lightning actually has.

    Where as the heat from the lightning pose no real thread to smaller objects, since the photons containing energy, will never reach into direct contact with the object, thus no heat exchange will be made.
     
         

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    Re: (DrProof) Raikiri's Extirpating Aptitude

    The answer to this will never be answered, unless kishi himself states Kakashi's raikiri hype is nothing more than caricature.....however to state that it didn't happen simply because we haven't seen it would be a logical fallacy.. thus really making the entire debate of whether this situation happened or not kind of pointless .....
    As Noddy said, The feats of Kakashi simply do not match up with the kind of superhuman prerequisites that would be needed to acomplish a task as cutting a lightning bolt...
     
         

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    Re: (DrProof) Raikiri's Extirpating Aptitude

    Quote Originally Posted by DrProof View Post
    You change your opinion of me, because of a thread such as this? That gives a situational opinion? If so your opinion means nothing as hence forth..

    OT: We cannot deduce rather or not said theory is true or not, as I've stated it is an Allegory.
    I'll stay on topic. A thread such as this has many equivalents..your argument is based on the hype (hyperbole) stated by Guy and the Data book that Raikiri could cut a lightening bolt and due to the fact it says so Kirin should fall under that category.

    Personally I'm not a Hype fanatic because most hype in the manga can't stand up for themselves but i would advise you look at it logically before making a theory.
     
         

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    Da fuq
     
         

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