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    God vs Big Bang

    There was a discussion moments ago on how everything got here on a thread about how someone felt that Athiests are constantly bashing on Christians- not what this thread is about. This thread is about that conversation that was at hand.
    I was typing a response. However, the thread was deleted (?) before I could finish. So I'm Pasting it here, just for the viewing of you all. Feel free to critique, argue against, support, or ponder on it. Without any further ado, here it is!

    You know, I really didn't want to, but I feel I should. This is my last post though before I go to bed, got an early morning. But here's my 2cents on that currently being discussed.
    For the record, I happen to be reading a book that had a section of a chapter speaking on this. I'll be using it in refrence, though in my own words.

    Fact: The Universe exists, and its being here must be explained.
    We have 3 options to take:
    -Matter/Universe is eternal.
    This is proven to be scientifically impossible, through several laws. Off the top of my head, those of Thermodynamics. I'm in High-school, and I know there are many more. Atheists, Creationists, Scientists, and Farmers can agree with this proven fact, that also abides by the law of common sense.
    -Matter/Universe created itself.
    This is just absurd and ridiculousness. Common sense should be enough. There are no natural ways in which matter can create itself. No material thing can create, or explain, itself. There are, of course, Laws of science to disprove this as well.
    -Matter/Universe was created.
    Our only other option, and the one that makes since. We observe the Law of Cause and Effect all the time. So then, the question is what/Who did???

    By necessity, the Creator must be:
    -Something/Someone that existed before the universe, i.e. an eternal, un-caused Cause.
    -Something/Someone superior to the creation, as is always the case in a creation-creator relationship.
    -Something/Someone that is of a different nature of the material realm, for material objects are not eternal nor can they create themselves.

    Now, think about this. Direct quotation from the book/ If there was ever a time when absolutely nothing, then there would be nothing now, for nothing produces nothing but nothingness! Since something does exist, it must follow logically that something has existed always. Exactly what was that?End quotation.

    Everything that exists is either matter/physical/tangible or mind/spirit/the-intangible. Think, what else is there? Everything falls into one of those categories.
    So everything that exists is either "matter" or "mind", per say. So, one of those must be eternal. However, as shown, matter is not eternal; this is fact. Therefore, mind must be eternal.
    And that Mind, that Spirit, is identified in the Bible as God. He is the one that existed prior to the physical universe, is superior to it, and is of a different nature than it.
    The scenario is similar to a person and his drawing.

    Atheism is forced to believe that physical life at some point in the past spontaneously generated from inorganic materials, but the EVIDENCE is fully against that claim.

    -Life was either spontaneously generated by accident from inorganic substances, or it was created purposely by an eternal force. [[NOTE: Evolutionists acknowledge this as well.]]
    -But all the evidence indicates life does not and could not start spontaneously by chance.
    -So, the evidence forces us to believe that life was created by an Eternal Life Force, identified as God!

    I'd like to discuss much more, such as evidence against evolution, Big Bang, for God, and much more. But truth is there fellas, we just have to go get it! 'Night all, I'll be back 2marrow!
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    Re: God vs Big Bang

    Threads like these aren't allowed.
     
         

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    Re: God vs Big Bang

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    Threads like these aren't allowed.
    said who?
     
         

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    Re: God vs Big Bang

    I don't know why my thread was deleted, maybe this one will be too. Nice bar below username
     
         

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    said who?
    Mods did.
     
         

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    Re: God vs Big Bang

    I'm just gonna agree w/ you without reading
     
         

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    Wait 4 it..................
     
         

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    Re: God vs Big Bang

    Here we go
     
         

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    Mods did.
    when were why i need proof damit!!
     
         

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    Re: God vs Big Bang

    Your gods cannot save you now!

    But seriously, chaos and chance/random is way more likely than a big magical thing that has power to make energy just appear from nothing. (I say energy because all matter is made from energy). Haven't you heard of the Giant Flying Spaghetti Monster argument?
     
         

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    Re: God vs Big Bang

    This seems interesting, but I don't feel like reading all of it. Give meh a summary!
     
         

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    Flame war in 5.4.3.2
     
         

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    Re: God vs Big Bang

    Please don't do this. Not again. Nothing good ever comes of it. I've seen the results. Entire nations swept into poverty and ruin. People in the streets, broken, burning, dying. Turn back. While you still can.
     
         

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    Re: God vs Big Bang

    Quote Originally Posted by thesurvivor View Post
    when were why i need proof damit!!
    *Dammit* :D
     
         

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    Re: God vs Big Bang

    Quote Originally Posted by Germanicus View Post
    Please don't do this. Not again. Nothing good ever comes of it. I've seen the results. Entire nations swept into poverty and ruin. People in the streets, broken, burning, dying. Turn back. While you still can.
    Pics or it didnt happen
     
         

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    Re: God vs Big Bang

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    when were why i need proof damit!!
    Dr Proof isn't gonna help you
     
         

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    Re: God vs Big Bang

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    Threads like these aren't allowed.
    Why ? stfu and gtfo. General discussion.
     
         

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    Re: God vs Big Bang

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    Why ? stfu and gtfo. General discussion.
    Mine was deleted.....
     
         

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    Re: God vs Big Bang

    Quote Originally Posted by Fair Warning View Post
    Pics or it didnt happen
    I was there at the scene and took this high quality photo.



    True story bro.
     
         

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    Itachi Is God
    He Created The Universe And Earth
    He Died For Our Sin
     
         

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    Mine was deleted.....
    who deleted it ill take care of them
     
         

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    Re: God vs Big Bang

    The theory of God is the truth of everything, its not just a theory, if you could make any theory about God, whether He exists or not, actually you talking about His existence.
     
         

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    Re: God vs Big Bang

    Quote Originally Posted by Germanicus View Post
    I was there at the scene and took this high quality photo.



    True story bro.
    Not sure to laugh, but yea that was before technology and guns that shut up whiny religous wars
     
         

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    Re: God vs Big Bang

    This is getting kind of old.
     
         

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    Re: God vs Big Bang

    Quote Originally Posted by Fair Warning View Post
    Not sure to laugh, but yea that was before technology and guns that shut up whiny religous wars
    Can you hear that air whistling over your head? You should be able to.
     
         

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