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    How would Naruto fare in the Kage encounter if he swapped with Sasuke???

    Let's pretend that Naruto was Sasuke for second (just try for a second :o). Let's say that Naruto had the exact hate/anger as Sasuke and that he was going to the Kage meeting to kill Danzou. Assume that Zetsu ends up betraying Naruto just like Sasuke, and once the Samurai were alert he would go his own path with the Raikage going to intercept him. Naruto has his own version of Karin (Hinata :D) to guide him through and Suigetsu and Juugo aren't needed since they were pretty much useless. Naruto will not be holding back and will have made some Sage Clones in preparation as he is obviously aware that he heading on a collision course with Kages. How would Naruto do against what Sasuke faced? Would he do better or worse? Preferably no "X character sucks, X character is better lolol response".

    They have as much info on Naruto as they did on Sasuke and the frog summons will not be used as they object to Naruto's new path of revenge (for the sake of the thread they still taught him before this though).
     
         
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    Re: How would Naruto fare in the Kage encounter if he swapped with Sasuke???

    Naruto would most likely die.. he has no absolute defense jutsu. He can't hide behind a million bunshins for long. He would have a couple of things up his sleeve like summoning boss toad and grandpa and gramma frog. But they're not into hate bizz so. Naruto < Sasuke in this case.
     
         

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    Re: How would Naruto fare in the Kage encounter if he swapped with Sasuke???

    he could flip out some tales.. only he'll end up losing control and then what's the point?
     
         

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    Re: How would Naruto fare in the Kage encounter if he swapped with Sasuke???

    i gotta disagree on the last post.. you gotta remember, if naruto's exhausts all of his chakra, a certain demon red fox with infinite chakra happens to supply him.. thus far in the manga, the kyuubi has been undefeated while in a fox cloak.. i dont kno if he'd win, but he'd last longer than sasuke..
     
         

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    Re: How would Naruto fare in the Kage encounter if he swapped with Sasuke???

    Quote Originally Posted by FlashKID124 View Post
    i gotta disagree on the last post.. you gotta remember, if naruto's exhausts all of his chakra, a certain demon red fox with infinite chakra happens to supply him.. thus far in the manga, the kyuubi has been undefeated while in a fox cloak.. i dont kno if he'd win, but he'd last longer than sasuke..
    read my second post
     
         

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    Re: How would Naruto fare in the Kage encounter if he swapped with Sasuke???

    yea, i hit reply before you wrote that one.. but i still think that naruto would last a lot longer than sasuke.. even if he did lose control..
     
         

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    Re: How would Naruto fare in the Kage encounter if he swapped with Sasuke???

    First Gaara wont attack him.
    If Naruto goes Sage, then and Raikages speed and physical attacks will be useles. FRS will destroy Raikage and his thunder shield.
    Mizukage will be deadly.
    If Naruto resort to Kyuubi mode, then no one stands chance.
     
         

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    Re: How would Naruto fare in the Kage encounter if he swapped with Sasuke???

    Quote Originally Posted by SSJ4Naruto View Post
    First Gaara wont attack him.
    If Naruto goes Sage, then and Raikages speed and physical attacks will be useles. FRS will destroy Raikage and his thunder shield.
    Mizukage will be deadly.
    If Naruto resort to Kyuubi mode, then no one stands chance.
    nice point of view but gaara would atack him remember that he is saying that naruto was sasuke, like if he is changing the Characters but not chaning their skills, anyway good point Raikage would be easy mode for naruto, Mizukage could cause some trouble since she has 2 KG but i think naruto would last longer
     
         

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    Re: How would Naruto fare in the Kage encounter if he swapped with Sasuke???

    Quote Originally Posted by SSJ4Naruto View Post
    First Gaara wont attack him.
    If Naruto goes Sage, then and Raikages speed and physical attacks will be useles. FRS will destroy Raikage and his thunder shield.
    Mizukage will be deadly.
    If Naruto resort to Kyuubi mode, then no one stands chance.
    But Naruto can't count on the Kyubi's powers to save him or else he will break the seal completely. He can't control the nine-tail's chakra and therefore he dangers his friends as much as his foes if he goes kyibi. Yondaime and yamato as far as i can remembers both instructed Narto well enough to not rely on the kyubi's powers but rely on his own powers instead. But if Narto is filled with hate and anger, there would most likely not be anything stopping him from going kyubi anywas. But then it's not Naruto vs Raikage and the rest anymore, but Kyubi vs...
     
         
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    Re: How would Naruto fare in the Kage encounter if he swapped with Sasuke???

    Quote Originally Posted by Johne View Post
    nice point of view but gaara would atack him remember that he is saying that naruto was sasuke, like if he is changing the Characters but not chaning their skills, anyway good point Raikage would be easy mode for naruto, Mizukage could cause some trouble since she has 2 KG but i think naruto would last longer
    yes I agree. But with SM's speed Gaaras sand cant even touch Naruto.
    so he is not much of a trouble. I hate to say this but Gaara is not strong like Naruto and Sasuke.
    Quote Originally Posted by Transparent View Post
    But Naruto can't count on the Kyubi's powers to save him or else he will break the seal completely. He can't control the nine-tail's chakra and therefore he dangers his friends as much as his foes if he goes kyibi. Yondaime and yamato as far as i can remembers both instructed Narto well enough to not rely on the kyubi's powers but rely on his own powers instead. But if Narto is filled with hate and anger, there would most likely not be anything stopping him from going kyubi anywas. But then it's not Naruto vs Raikage and the rest anymore, but Kyubi vs...
    Yes u r right. Actually seal was designed in a way that Naruto can use kyuubis chakra. Seal is in danger when Naruto looses his emotions. But as you said Kyuubi should not be used. But as I said, Sage Mode can take care of Raikage and his underlings, so is Gaara and his siblings. Mizukage seems good, but may not be able to match SM speed. No Idea about Tsuchikage. and remains Danzo, he will run at d sight of Naruto.
     
         

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    Re: How would Naruto fare in the Kage encounter if he swapped with Sasuke???

    Quote Originally Posted by Transparent View Post
    But Naruto can't count on the Kyubi's powers to save him or else he will break the seal completely. He can't control the nine-tail's chakra and therefore he dangers his friends as much as his foes if he goes kyibi. Yondaime and yamato as far as i can remembers both instructed Narto well enough to not rely on the kyubi's powers but rely on his own powers instead. But if Narto is filled with hate and anger, there would most likely not be anything stopping him from going kyubi anywas. But then it's not Naruto vs Raikage and the rest anymore, but Kyubi vs...
    I think if Naruto's life is in serious danger, Kyuubi will automatically take over. Think about it, Naruto gets beaten to a pulp on the verge of death, he doesn't have much control to supress Kyuubi. Kyuubi will come out probably 8-9 tails and wipe the floor clean with everyone. Acid/lava? who cares, Kyuubi chakra already harms Naruto in the same manner, but at the same time heals it. Ultimate defense? Kyuubi blasts can go through Orochimaru's greatest defense. Fast Shunshin and lightning armor? Kyuubi is faster. Kyuubi is truly a BEAST!
     
         

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    Re: How would Naruto fare in the Kage encounter if he swapped with Sasuke???

    kyuubi pwns all

    that seems to be the gist of it
     
         

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    Re: How would Naruto fare in the Kage encounter if he swapped with Sasuke???

    I Think Sasuke would do better and hears why.

    Naruto has NO Ultimate defence like Sasuke has Susanno therefore he wouldnt be able to gaurd against raikage.

    Also, Naruo would not be as fast as Sasuke so he wouldnt be able to keep up with raikage, and also, he wouldnt be able to burn his arm or incapacitate him like sasuke did with amatasaru.

    However. Naruto would definatly beat Raikage it would just take him to much time before the samurai, and gaara arrived. Also, the subbordinates of the kages would be hindering him at this point so he would not be able to do a quick diversion an escape like sasuke did with susanno.

    IMO . Sasuke
     
         

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    Re: How would Naruto fare in the Kage encounter if he swapped with Sasuke???

    The Raikage sees One-Tailed transformation Naruto.

    Raikage: Your Jinchūriki’s power is no match for me!

    Naruto attacks. The Raikage tries to hit One-Tailed Naruto with his elbow, but Naruto ducks and hits him with a Rasengan. It’s a head-on battle of Lightning vs. Rasengan!

    Raikage: Using a Fuuton to increase an attack’s power and penetration? That’s the 4th’s trick! To be able to touch me even when clad in Raiton armor…That’s really something!

    Raikage grabs Naruto and does his Raiger Bomb.

    Darui: It’s over.

    Raikage looks confused. Was that a clone? Hmph!

    Darui: No one’s ever survived that before. Just what the hell is he trying to do with a clone? Hey, Shi, Naruto’s eyes… Do they look different to you?

    Shi: Is that the Sage Mode!??

    SM Naruto jumps towards the Raikage with Wind Release: Rasenshuriken. The Raikage dodges the Rasenshuriken and cuts the samurai guard in half.

    Samurai: This in no ordinary jutsu! Stay back!

    Shi: That technique cuts whatever he’s aiming at. This is..

    Raikage: Raigyakusuihei!!

    Raikage hits Naruto.

    Raikage: Don’t underestimate me!

    As Raikage hits Naruto’s clone another Rasenshuriken comes at him. He is barely able to dodge it and has his arm cut off.

    Hinata: Huh?

    Shi: Raikage! ..No way?

    Darui: I can’t believe..He fell for it again.

    Enraged, Raikage attacks SM Naruto again, but Raikage’s too late as another Wind Release: Rasenshuriken heads his way.

    Raikage: Guillotine drop!!

    Shi: He’s still…!!

    Raikage get’s pushed aside and the Rasenshuriken misses him this time.

    Raikage: Sand!!

    SM Naruto: What? Gaara of the desert..

    Okay, that's enough. I quite.
     
         
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    Re: How would Naruto fare in the Kage encounter if he swapped with Sasuke???

    Quote Originally Posted by Kusanagi View Post
    The Raikage sees One-Tailed transformation Naruto.

    Raikage: Your Jinchūrikis power is no match for me!

    Naruto attacks. The Raikage tries to hit One-Tailed Naruto with his elbow, but Naruto ducks and hits him with a Rasengan. Its a head-on battle of Lightning vs. Rasengan!

    Raikage: Using a Fuuton to increase an attacks power and penetration? Thats the 4ths trick! To be able to touch me even when clad in Raiton armorThats really something!

    Raikage grabs Naruto and does his Raiger Bomb.

    Darui: Its over.

    Raikage looks confused. Was that a clone? Hmph!

    Darui: No ones ever survived that before. Just what the hell is he trying to do with a clone? Hey, Shi, Narutos eyes Do they look different to you?

    Shi: Is that the Sage Mode!??

    SM Naruto jumps towards the Raikage with Wind Release: Rasenshuriken. The Raikage dodges the Rasenshuriken and cuts the samurai guard in half.

    Samurai: This in no ordinary jutsu! Stay back!

    Shi: That technique cuts whatever hes aiming at. This is..

    Raikage: Raigyakusuihei!!

    Raikage hits Naruto.

    Raikage: Dont underestimate me!

    As Raikage hits Narutos clone another Rasenshuriken comes at him. He is barely able to dodge it and has his arm cut off.

    Hinata: Huh?

    Shi: Raikage! ..No way?

    Darui: I cant believe..He fell for it again.

    Enraged, Raikage attacks SM Naruto again, but Raikages too late as another Wind Release: Rasenshuriken heads his way.

    Raikage: Guillotine drop!!

    Shi: Hes still!!

    Raikage gets pushed aside and the Rasenshuriken misses him this time.

    Raikage: Sand!!

    SM Naruto: What? Gaara of the desert..

    Okay, that's enough. I quite.
    i dont think raikage would be that stupid 2 fall for clones twice
     
         

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    Re: How would Naruto fare in the Kage encounter if he swapped with Sasuke???

    Quote Originally Posted by Itachi15 View Post
    i dont think raikage would be that stupid 2 fall for clones twice
    Why? He hasn't shown himself to be the most intelligent person. He put his arm in Amaterasu and had to cut it off, then he was about to put his leg in it.

    Naruto would go 9-tails and I think that would be enough to take the Kages. He wouldn't be in control of course.
     
         

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    Re: How would Naruto fare in the Kage encounter if he swapped with Sasuke???

    I thin three tails would be enough, he would still have control over his body so he would use his jutsu using the kyuubi's chakra, just think of how many rasenshuriken he could do
     
         

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    Re: How would Naruto fare in the Kage encounter if he swapped with Sasuke???

    naruto would have defeated all of them he is stronger than sasuke and he defeated pein ON HIS OWN
     
         

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    Re: How would Naruto fare in the Kage encounter if he swapped with Sasuke???

    Quote Originally Posted by Kusanagi View Post
    The Raikage sees One-Tailed transformation Naruto.

    Raikage: Your Jinchūrikis power is no match for me!

    Naruto attacks. The Raikage tries to hit One-Tailed Naruto with his elbow, but Naruto ducks and hits him with a Rasengan. Its a head-on battle of Lightning vs. Rasengan!

    Raikage: Using a Fuuton to increase an attacks power and penetration? Thats the 4ths trick! To be able to touch me even when clad in Raiton armorThats really something!

    Raikage grabs Naruto and does his Raiger Bomb.

    Darui: Its over.

    Raikage looks confused. Was that a clone? Hmph!

    Darui: No ones ever survived that before. Just what the hell is he trying to do with a clone? Hey, Shi, Narutos eyes Do they look different to you?

    Shi: Is that the Sage Mode!??

    SM Naruto jumps towards the Raikage with Wind Release: Rasenshuriken. The Raikage dodges the Rasenshuriken and cuts the samurai guard in half.

    Samurai: This in no ordinary jutsu! Stay back!

    Shi: That technique cuts whatever hes aiming at. This is..

    Raikage: Raigyakusuihei!!

    Raikage hits Naruto.

    Raikage: Dont underestimate me!

    As Raikage hits Narutos clone another Rasenshuriken comes at him. He is barely able to dodge it and has his arm cut off.

    Hinata: Huh?

    Shi: Raikage! ..No way?

    Darui: I cant believe..He fell for it again.

    Enraged, Raikage attacks SM Naruto again, but Raikages too late as another Wind Release: Rasenshuriken heads his way.

    Raikage: Guillotine drop!!

    Shi: Hes still!!

    Raikage gets pushed aside and the Rasenshuriken misses him this time.

    Raikage: Sand!!

    SM Naruto: What? Gaara of the desert..

    Okay, that's enough. I quite.
    You're forgetting that wind beats lightning
     
         

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    Re: How would Naruto fare in the Kage encounter if he swapped with Sasuke???

    Quote Originally Posted by minato4th View Post
    naruto would have defeated all of them he is stronger than sasuke and he defeated pein ON HIS OWN
    I feel like in every thread discussing Naruto's strength someone always tries to say Naruto "defeated" Pain. This NEVER happened. First of all you must take into the fact that Pain did not want to kill Naruto. That greatly alters the path of the battle. Then consider the fact that Pain had just laid waste to the ENTIRE village of Konoha. He killed multiple top shinobi including Kakashi, and he made Tsunade exert herself to the point of falling into a coma. On top of that, Pain had Naruto pinned down this his chakra bolt thing stuck through Naruto's hands. The battle at this point was OVER. It only continued because Hinata interfered and got Naruto to release his Kyuubi chakra. Then even after this Naruto was then imprisoned in a mini-moon which he broke out of thanks to 8 tails of Kyuubi power. In this case the word Kyuubi can be subbed out for "main char". Then if you actually pay attention to their meeting in Konan's paper tree, it is clear that Nagato has the ability to kill Naruto. It is only through Naruto's words that Nagato changes his heart and sacrifices himself to revive the fallen shinobi of Konoha.

    Saying Naruto defeated Pain is like saying Sasuke defeated Itachi. It just never happened.
     
         

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    Re: How would Naruto fare in the Kage encounter if he swapped with Sasuke???

    Sage clones, Kage Bushins and smoke bombs are the key here for Naruto. SM is imo as least as fast, strong and probably more durable as Raikage with his lightning shroud up. He'd need enough Kage Bushins to deal with Darui and Shi whilst fighting the Raikage. Would the Raikage be as careless as his fight with Sasuke and present the opportunity of Rasenshuriken through tickery and at least touch him? I'd say yes and the Raikage wouldn't be able to tank the jutsu like Amaterasu so it'd be GG. Shi and Darui wouldn't be able to compete with the speed of Sage Naruto and be finished off afterwards. I believe that Naruto would be able to wrap things up before Gaara and Co. go to intercept them and head straight to the meeting. The rest I cannot be bothered speculating. I'll just say that Naruto would have obviously had more stamina to last this many high level battles and at the very least complete his objective of killing Danzou. Would he have eventually lost at the end like Sasuke? Most probably.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nanaki View Post
    I feel like in every thread discussing Naruto's strength someone always tries to say Naruto "defeated" Pain. This NEVER happened. First of all you must take into the fact that Pain did not want to kill Naruto. That greatly alters the path of the battle. Then consider the fact that Pain had just laid waste to the ENTIRE village of Konoha. He killed multiple top shinobi including Kakashi, and he made Tsunade exert herself to the point of falling into a coma. On top of that, Pain had Naruto pinned down this his chakra bolt thing stuck through Naruto's hands. The battle at this point was OVER. It only continued because Hinata interfered and got Naruto to release his Kyuubi chakra. Then even after this Naruto was then imprisoned in a mini-moon which he broke out of thanks to 8 tails of Kyuubi power. In this case the word Kyuubi can be subbed out for "main char". Then if you actually pay attention to their meeting in Konan's paper tree, it is clear that Nagato has the ability to kill Naruto. It is only through Naruto's words that Nagato changes his heart and sacrifices himself to revive the fallen shinobi of Konoha.

    Saying Naruto defeated Pain is like saying Sasuke defeated Itachi. It just never happened.
    I know man. I keep saying this but people just look at the results and not at the circumstances. Keep telling 'em :D
     
         

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    Re: How would Naruto fare in the Kage encounter if he swapped with Sasuke???

    it would be another epic
     
         

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    Re: How would Naruto fare in the Kage encounter if he swapped with Sasuke???

    I think that naruto would lose control and go nine tails then fulfill the role of the great destroyer and not the savior.
     
         

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    Re: How would Naruto fare in the Kage encounter if he swapped with Sasuke???

    Quote Originally Posted by Nanaki View Post
    I feel like in every thread discussing Naruto's strength someone always tries to say Naruto "defeated" Pain. This NEVER happened. First of all you must take into the fact that Pain did not want to kill Naruto. That greatly alters the path of the battle. Then consider the fact that Pain had just laid waste to the ENTIRE village of Konoha. He killed multiple top shinobi including Kakashi, and he made Tsunade exert herself to the point of falling into a coma. On top of that, Pain had Naruto pinned down this his chakra bolt thing stuck through Naruto's hands. The battle at this point was OVER. It only continued because Hinata interfered and got Naruto to release his Kyuubi chakra. Then even after this Naruto was then imprisoned in a mini-moon which he broke out of thanks to 8 tails of Kyuubi power. In this case the word Kyuubi can be subbed out for "main char". Then if you actually pay attention to their meeting in Konan's paper tree, it is clear that Nagato has the ability to kill Naruto. It is only through Naruto's words that Nagato changes his heart and sacrifices himself to revive the fallen shinobi of Konoha.

    Saying Naruto defeated Pain is like saying Sasuke defeated Itachi. It just never happened.
    1. Naruto defeated Pain
    2. Naruto had been training just minutes before his summoning with Pain, and had just used a rushed idea to use shadow clones to sustain SM
    3. Jiraiya said it himself, the Kyuubi comes when he is feeling emotionally unstable, or in life-threatening situations. Thus, if the Kyuubi did not come at that time, it would have come probably before Naruto getting the thing sucked out of him.
    4. What words made it clear that he could have killed him? I actually found quite the opposite, "My way of the ninja is the same as my masters, so... I won't kill you. Naruto overcomes his rage! Next chapter!!
    5. He withstood Nagatos chakra at point blank range.
    6. Naruto had been collecting information on Nagato for a few weeks or so, Akatsuki had PLENTY of information about Naruto for a few years at the least. You do remember the info that shinobi corpses leave? Madara commented on how Naruto ended two of Kakuzus lives in one attack. They had THAT detail, suggesting that they definitely had info on him as well. Itachi also fought him, and I'm sure he had to keep his cover. Pain most likely knew the "truth" about Itachi but whatever.
    7. In manga canonicity, it has been stated by characters that Naruto defeated Pain. Kishi wrote those words on paper himself.
    8. Obviously, we have RARELY seen Naruto kill an enemy. Haku was killed by Kakashi, Gaara was left alive and later turned into an ally, Kakuzu was killed by Kakashi, Mizuki was beaten to a pulp, the genin from the land of rain were not killed, and were even seen again in a filler arc later on, Kabuto escaped with Orochimaru, etc. From this we can speculate that Naruto doesnt typically kill anyway, so that could alter the path for him as well. Correct me if I am wrong, but when has he actually killed anyone? Oh yeah, Itachis clone, and that can also be rounded off to the ferocity gained by the Kyuubis influence. A Kyuubi-sober Naruto in manga canonicity has not really killed anyone.
     
         
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    Re: How would Naruto fare in the Kage encounter if he swapped with Sasuke???

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    1. Naruto defeated Pain
    2. Naruto had been training just minutes before his summoning with Pain, and had just used a rushed idea to use shadow clones to sustain SM
    3. Jiraiya said it himself, the Kyuubi comes when he is feeling emotionally unstable, or in life-threatening situations. Thus, if the Kyuubi did not come at that time, it would have come probably before Naruto getting the thing sucked out of him.
    4. What words made it clear that he could have killed him? I actually found quite the opposite, "My way of the ninja is the same as my masters, so... I won't kill you. Naruto overcomes his rage! Next chapter!!
    5. He withstood Nagatos chakra at point blank range.
    6. Naruto had been collecting information on Nagato for a few weeks or so, Akatsuki had PLENTY of information about Naruto for a few years at the least. You do remember the info that shinobi corpses leave? Madara commented on how Naruto ended two of Kakuzus lives in one attack. They had THAT detail, suggesting that they definitely had info on him as well. Itachi also fought him, and I'm sure he had to keep his cover. Pain most likely knew the "truth" about Itachi but whatever.
    7. In manga canonicity, it has been stated by characters that Naruto defeated Pain. Kishi wrote those words on paper himself.
    8. Obviously, we have RARELY seen Naruto kill an enemy. Haku was killed by Kakashi, Gaara was left alive and later turned into an ally, Kakuzu was killed by Kakashi, Mizuki was beaten to a pulp, the genin from the land of rain were not killed, and were even seen again in a filler arc later on, Kabuto escaped with Orochimaru, etc. From this we can speculate that Naruto doesnt typically kill anyway, so that could alter the path for him as well. Correct me if I am wrong, but when has he actually killed anyone? Oh yeah, Itachis clone, and that can also be rounded off to the ferocity gained by the Kyuubis influence. A Kyuubi-sober Naruto in manga canonicity has not really killed anyone.
    1. He did not defeat Pain. He defeated the six paths of pain, but those were simply puppets of Nagato's. He never actually fought the real Nagato so you cannot say he defeated him. Saying he defeated Pain for destroying the six paths of pain is like saying Sakura and Chiyo defeated Sasori when they took out the 3rd Kazekage and the 100 puppets. The difference being Sakura and Chiyo actually fought the puppet master after they defeated the puppets.

    2. From how he looked when he arrived in Konoha he didn't seem to be tired at all, he seemed fine. And just because he rushed the idea of using shadow clones doesn't mean it wasn't a huge help to him. Comparing training to destroying the entire village of Konoha is a little silly IMO.

    3. Naruto most likely would have been unconscious for the removal of the 9-tails so I don't think it would have came out. The beasts didn't come out of the other jinchuriki when they were being removed, there is probably some aspect of the statue that prevents it from happening.

    4.Naruto 444 page 11 | One Manga
    If you read that page Konan says "Nagato, that's just a waste of time! Just hurry up and-" Then she is cut off by a calm Nagato who says, "Wait Konan, I want to hear his answer." I interpreted this as Konan saying "hurry up and kill him." Maybe you'll interpret it differently. Just given the wording any body language I believe thats what it meant.

    5. While an extraordinary feat, withstanding his chakra at point black does not equate to being stronger/defeating him. Nagato has other techniques. Who's to say he couldn't just pull out Gedo Maze and rip out Naruto's soul? He had enough chakra left to revive the entire village of Konoha, I'm sure he could handle summoning it.

    6. Yes Nagato had plenty of information on Naruto. But still Nagato had no idea about the sage mode. And while he new about sage mode because of Jiraiya, Naruto was able to master it even further than him as seen by how Naruto doesn't gain any ugly toad-like features. Also Naruto did have some information on Nagato. Ma and Pa had both fought Pain, the people in the village had fought against Pain, and by the time Naruto fought Pain, his secret had already been revealed.

    7. In the manga it also stated that Sasuke "killed" Itachi. But we all know what really happened there, no? Itachi and Nagato both ended up dead while Naruto and Sasuke ended up alive, yet did they really defeat them? If thats how you want to define "defeat" then theres not point in continuing this because were just going to disagree.

    8. I agree that we don't see Naruto kill enemies. Its just not his MO. It would defeat the purpose of his character, so I doubt we will see Naruto kill almost anyone. Maybe Madara, but who knows.
     
         

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