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    Re: Why I don't believe we'll go to Heaven when we die

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    You're **

    Anyway, Chirstianity isn't the only religion. I am not a Christian, but I guess it was her opinion that it's not the best.
    Dude, it's "your".
     
         

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    Re: Why I don't believe we'll go to Heaven when we die

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    You're **

    Anyway, Chirstianity isn't the only religion. I am not a Christian, but I guess it was her opinion that it's not the best.
    , "you are opinion."
     
         

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    Re: Why I don't believe we'll go to Heaven when we die

    Quote Originally Posted by Youth and Full power View Post
    Your opinion.
    How can that be any other than fact? it's not the only religion, and whoever sees it as 'the best' is just delusional since every religion has the same message at the core. Translated with different tales, languages, symbolism and cultural dogma.
     
         

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    Re: Why I don't believe we'll go to Heaven when we die

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    Yeah, but this is to show my reasoning of why we don't go to Heaven, which is based on my Christian teachings.



    Oh, yeah, I totally remembered when my History textbook spoke of Jesus...

    And what I've included here is what I learned in Church, and the Bible itself.
    Did you really read about Crucifixtion of Jesus?
     
         

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    Re: Why I don't believe we'll go to Heaven when we die

    And who's to say that he made it to heaven any ways, something else to think about. Jesus did sit with liars, and tax collectors. These people were considered the worst of the worst, but jesus knew that they were the reason he was sent to this earth for.
     
         

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    Re: Why I don't believe we'll go to Heaven when we die

    Quote Originally Posted by Kages View Post
    You're **

    Anyway, Chirstianity isn't the only religion. I am not a Christian, but I guess it was her opinion that it's not the best.
    lmao fail
     
         

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    Re: Why I don't believe we'll go to Heaven when we die

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    Did you read the Bible? Human was allowed to go to Heaven when Jesus sacrificed himself to save the world.He resurrected Lazarus because he was afraid that he is going straight to hell,Jesus didn't die at that time
    This should have ended the thread.
     
         

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    Re: Why I don't believe we'll go to Heaven when we die

    stop making religion based threads on a manga forum. douchebags
     
         

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    Re: Why I don't believe we'll go to Heaven when we die

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    Jesus was human, felt human emotions and missed his dead friend. Jesus understood the purpose of his death, and that was to bring forgivness to every one. laz died before jesus so he completely missed out on being baptized in his name for the forgivness of all his sins. Even the holiest of holys were covered in sin before jesus died for them. you simply just don't understand the scriputres. A lot of knowledge of the bible comes to you when you spend time with God. or maybe you just over thunk it.
    Exactly, he felt love. Would you take someone you loved out of their mansion and bring them to the slums because you miss them?

    @Bold: I forgot thinking hard is a big no-no in religion.
     
         

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    Re: Why I don't believe we'll go to Heaven when we die

    yes he was.
     
         

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    Re: Why I don't believe we'll go to Heaven when we die

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    stop making religion based threads on a manga forum. douchebags
    Any topic can be discussed at 'general discussion' section, bagzdouche
     
         

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    Re: Why I don't believe we'll go to Heaven when we die

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    Exactly, he felt love. Would you take someone you loved out of their mansion and bring them to the slums because you miss them?

    @Bold: I forgot thinking hard is a big no-no in religion.
    When Jesus died, he made it so that we could be forgiven. Before that, if you sinned, you went to hell. Are you sure Lazarus was in that mansion? I don't believe so.
     
         

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    Re: Why I don't believe we'll go to Heaven when we die

    now you just sound ignorant, every dies with sin, before jesus's death there was no way around that laz died before jesus could die for his sins. You took one peace out of the bible and made it what you wanted it to be, your just like a lot of religous people out there. and i can see you don't understand god or his son, because if you did you would know that jesus came to call relgion out and the people who claimed to be so religious. A lot of the promblems in todays church's are than they hand you a bible and expect you to understand it on your on, that isn't supposed to be the case, were called to teach and if some one would of just taught you, you wouldn't be so confused about that certain scripture.
    Quote Originally Posted by rikerslade View Post
    Exactly, he felt love. Would you take someone you loved out of their mansion and bring them to the slums because you miss them?

    @Bold: I forgot thinking hard is a big no-no in religion.
     
         

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    Re: Why I don't believe we'll go to Heaven when we die

    Quote Originally Posted by Susano'o View Post
    When Jesus died, he made it so that we could be forgiven. Before that, if you sinned, you went to hell. Are you sure Lazarus was in that mansion? I don't believe so.
    thank you bro!! you get it, exactly what i was trying to get a cross to him.
     
         

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    Re: Why I don't believe we'll go to Heaven when we die

    Quote Originally Posted by Susano'o View Post
    When Jesus died, he made it so that we could be forgiven. Before that, if you sinned, you went to hell. Are you sure Lazarus was in that mansion? I don't believe so.
    Death is the payment for sin. When one dies, all the sin he has committed is cleared. At the very least, this is what I have been taught. I can see that you have been taught differently, so a debate between us is futile at this point.
     
         

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    Re: Why I don't believe we'll go to Heaven when we die

    Quote Originally Posted by rikerslade View Post
    Death is the payment for sin. When one dies, all the sin he has committed is cleared. At the very least, this is what I have been taught. I can see that you have been taught differently, so a debate between us is futile at this point.
    Death is not payment for anything 0_0.
     
         

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    Re: Why I don't believe we'll go to Heaven when we die

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    Wrong Jesus is not the son of god he was a messenger to let people know about god and teach them how to pray to god . And let them stop the sins etc. The god never have a son.
    We are all gods sons and daughters

    And i never said god was Jesus was gods son so
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    Jesus had a flesh and he wanted his friend back
     
         

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    Re: Why I don't believe we'll go to Heaven when we die

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    Death is not payment for anything 0_0.
    That's what I was taught. I see now why religious threads and topics can't be discussed: Too much variations to what we conceive as facts to debate properly.
     
         

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    Re: Why I don't believe we'll go to Heaven when we die

    Time for a Bible lecture. Listen up.

    I'll try to make this concise and brief. If you'll look at John 2:11, it says, "This, the first of his signs Jesus did at Cana in Galilee and manifested his glory.

    "This" referring to the wedding at Cana where Jesus turned water into wine. Basically, one of the reasons that Jesus performs miracles, as explicitly stated here, is to manifest his glory and prove he is the messiah.

    There are seven signs in the book of John:
    1. Changing water into wine (2:1-11)
    2. Healing the official's son (4:46-54)
    3. Healing the invalid (5:1-5)
    4. Feeding the multitude (6:513)
    5. Walking on water (6:16-21)
    6. Healing the man born blind (9:1-7)
    7. Raising Lazarus (11:1-44)

    The gospels have always been about who this man Jesus Christ is, and John is no exception. Jesus' identity is manifested on a word and deeds ministry, and here is an anecdote that demonstrates Christ's ability to raise people from the dead. In 11:25-26, right before the resurrection of Lazarus, Jesus says "I am the resurrection and the life. Whoever believes in me, though he die, yet shall he live and everyone who lives and believes in me shall never die."

    The point: Jesus is life; his actions demonstrate that.

    And it's more than simply "proving a point". Lazarus is a dear friend, and not only that: death is indicative of the effects of sin (Romans 6:23 "For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Jesus Christ our Lord"). Jesus is not only saddened by the death of his friend, which is a completely normal reaction for ANYONE, he is also angry at the rampant effects of sin. It is his mission to defeat sin and death and he demonstrates his power to do so by resurrecting Lazarus from the dead.

    So no, Lazarus is not "holy enough" to go to heaven because he's Jesus' friend. Romans 3:10 says, "None is righteous, no, not one". That's the point though. That is why God sent his son Jesus Christ. We find life not in ourselves, but in him.

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    I hope this helps. I am a biblical studies major in a private Christian university, and I'd be glad to answer more questions. I don't know all the answers, but this is why I'm learning.

    Edited for clarity and spelling.
     
         
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    Re: Why I don't believe we'll go to Heaven when we die

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    That's what I was taught. I see now why religious threads and topics can't be discussed: Too much variations to what we conceive as facts to debate properly.
    I'm not going to sit here and argue with you. I agree that it is pointless. But, I will say that it does not say that in the Christian Bible at all that your sins are cleared when you die.

    But like I said, I'm not here to argue. I don't feel like having conflict with anybody, lol.
     
         

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    Re: Why I don't believe we'll go to Heaven when we die

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    We are all gods sons and daughters

    And i never said god was Jesus was gods son so
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    Jesus had a fleshlight and he wanted his friend back
    what?..
     
         

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    Re: Why I don't believe we'll go to Heaven when we die

    Quote Originally Posted by Guilty as Sin View Post
    Time for a Bible lecture. Listen up.

    I'll try to make this concise and brief. If you'll look at John 2:11, it says, "This, the first of his sings, Jesus did at Cana in Galilee and manifested his glory.

    "This" referring to the wedding at Cana where Jesus turned water into wine. Basically, one of the reasons that Jesus performs miracles, as explicitly stated here, is to manifest his glory and prove he is the messiah.

    There are seven signs in the book of John:
    1. Changing water into wine (2:1-11)
    2. Healing the official's son (4:46-54)
    3. Healing the invalid (5:1-5)
    4. Feeding the multitude (6:513)
    5. Walking on water (6:16-21)
    6. Healing the man born blind (9:1-7)
    7. Raisin Lazarus (11:1-44)

    The gospels have always been about who this man Jesus Christ is, and John is no exception. Jesus' identity is manifested on a word and deeds ministry, and here is an anecdote that demonstrates Christ's ability to raise from the dead. In 11:25-26, right before the resurrection of Lazarus, Jesus says "I am the resurrection and the life. Whoever believes in me, though he die, yet shall he live and everyone who lives and believes in me shall never die."

    The point: Jesus is life; his actions demonstrate that.

    Yes Jesus is moves emotionally, but why? Lazarus is a dear friend, and not only that: death is indicative of the effects of sin (Romans 6:23 "For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Jesus Christ our Lord"). Jesus is not only saddened by the death of his friend, which is a completely normal reaction for ANYONE, he is also angry at the rampant effects of sin. It is his mission to defeat sin and death and he demonstrates his power to do so by resurrecting Lazarus from the dead.

    So no, Lazarus is not "holy enough" to go to heaven because he's Jesus' friend. Romans 3:10 says, "None is righteous, no, not one". That's the point though. That is why God sent his son Jesus Christ. We find life not in ourselves, but in him.

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    I hope this helps. I am a biblical studies major in a private Christian university, and I'd be glad to answer more questions. I don't know all the answers, but this is why I'm learning.
    Good points. However, God says He despises all that is wicked. Since Jesus follows the same standards as God, he also despises what is wicked. He loved Lazarus, thus Lazarus was good.

    I see what you're saying though.
     
         

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    Re: Why I don't believe we'll go to Heaven when we die

    just because it can doesn't mean we have to kick around the same damn inappropriate subjects over and over. you want to discuss belief systems? might I suggest a more appropriate forum. perhaps one not based on Japanese comics
     
         

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    Re: Why I don't believe we'll go to Heaven when we die

    Quote Originally Posted by Susano'o View Post
    I'm not going to sit here and argue with you. I agree that it is pointless. But, I will say that it does not say that in the Christian Bible at all that your sins are cleared when you die.

    But like I said, I'm not here to argue. I don't feel like having conflict with anybody, lol.
    This is the thing I dislike about religious people. Why is it that you need to insist that what you believe is absolute and others are wrong? At least I had the decency to acknowledge that you may indeed be right and that what I believe may be wrong.
     
         

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    Re: Why I don't believe we'll go to Heaven when we die

    Quote Originally Posted by rikerslade View Post
    Good points. However, God says He despises all that is wicked. Since Jesus follows the same standards as God, he also despises what is wicked. He loved Lazarus, thus Lazarus was good.

    I see what you're saying though.
    First, thank you for reading my post and replying. Let me gently rebuke you by saying that your logic is slightly off.

    What does John 3:16 say? "For God so loved the world....". Naturally, we can conclude that by "world", he means the inhabitants of the world (us). However, are we good? No. But God loves us! That's the beauty of the Gospel. We aren't good. Yet God still loves us and decides to send his son.

    And let me nuance your statement a bit. Jesus follows the same standards of God because he is God. This is what is known as the "Trinity", though I acknowledge that not everyone believes this; although this is what the Scriptures teach, and that is what I go by.

    So you're right. God detests wickedness. Yet even in our wickedness, for some crazy, unimaginable reason, he still cares about us.
     
         

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