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    Why didn't Orochimaru do this before?

    So it seems Orochimaru already knew how to release the death demon seal -> here Sasuke holds out the scroll and Orochimaru asks what he wants to meet them for:



    So my question is, why didn't Orochimaru capture (or get Kabuto to capture) some Zetsu, or other sacrifices, and do this ritual earlier in order to get his arms back?

    EDIT: Oh wait.

    I'm an idiot.

    He couldn't get into the Uchiha hideout.

    Quote Originally Posted by MickNerks View Post
    he didnt need the uchiha hideout to ressurect the Reaper, he only needed the mask. The uchiha hideout allows sasuke to read the tablet.
    Hmmm ... if that's true, then we're back to square one. And if we're back to square one, then all these other reasons (timing, sickness, etc) are legit.
     
         
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    Re: Why didn't Orochimaru do this before?

    Maybe because he was sick and weakend
     
         

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    Re: Why didn't Orochimaru do this before?

    You need Uchiha jutsu to open the stone tablet sealing the Nakana shrine
     
         

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    Re: Why didn't Orochimaru do this before?

    Because he got his arms sealed,had to switch host bodies and got ambushed in bed by sasuke then later on sealed by itachi.
    He was getting trolled by kishi every step he took lol
     
         

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    Re: Why didn't Orochimaru do this before?

    It's all about timing yo!
     
         

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    Re: Why didn't Orochimaru do this before?

    Probably only a recent discovery made by him before he got sealed. He didn't have enough time.
     
         

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    Re: Why didn't Orochimaru do this before?

    Mainly its because he didn't posses that mask.Didn't really read the whole tutorial on how he did it so i might have to re read.
     
         

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    Re: Why didn't Orochimaru do this before?

    Oh wait.

    I'm an idiot.

    He couldn't get into the Uchiha hideout.

    Quote Originally Posted by nj tandi View Post
    You need Uchiha jutsu to open the stone tablet sealing the Nakana shrine
    Yeah, I just remembered that
     
         

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    Re: Why didn't Orochimaru do this before?

    Because he didnt want kabuto to know how to summon them. This was probally his insurance policy against kabuto or anyone else that threatened him.
     
         

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    Re: Why didn't Orochimaru do this before?

    Quote Originally Posted by Uchiha Josephus View Post
    Oh wait.

    I'm an idiot.

    He couldn't get into the Uchiha hideout.



    Yeah, I just remembered that
    he didnt need the uchiha hideout to ressurect the Reaper, he only needed the mask. The uchiha hideout allows sasuke to read the tablet.
     
         

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    Re: Why didn't Orochimaru do this before?

    maybe he was planning on doing it when he attained his young uchiha body lol
     
         

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    Re: Why didn't Orochimaru do this before?

    Quote Originally Posted by Uchiha Josephus View Post
    Oh wait.

    I'm an idiot.

    He couldn't get into the Uchiha hideout.



    Yeah, I just remembered that
     
         

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    Re: Why didn't Orochimaru do this before?

    Quote Originally Posted by MickNerks View Post
    he didnt need the uchiha hideout to ressurect the Reaper, he only needed the mask. The uchiha hideout allows sasuke to read the tablet.
    Hmmm ... if that's true, then we're back to square one. And if we're back to square one, then all these other reasons (timing, sickness, etc) are legit.

    I'll put this in my first post.
     
         

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    Re: Why didn't Orochimaru do this before?

    There is probably a trust issue at work here. Orochimaru has to sacrifice himself and someone must restrain a body for him to inhabit. Kabuto might just let Orochimaru perish rather than assist. Sasuke needed Orochimaru to summon the Hokage so there was mutual advantage.
     
         

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    Re: Why didn't Orochimaru do this before?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kurama2012 View Post
    maybe he was planning on doing it when he attained his young uchiha body lol
    This is probably the most correct

    Quote Originally Posted by Gyakusetsu View Post
    There is probably a trust issue at work here. Orochimaru has to sacrifice himself and someone must restrain a body for him to inhabit. Kabuto might just let Orochimaru perish rather than assist. Sasuke needed Orochimaru to summon the Hokage so there was mutual advantage.
    Also legit.
     
         

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    Re: Why didn't Orochimaru do this before?

    Quote Originally Posted by Uchiha Josephus View Post
    So it seems Orochimaru already knew how to release the death demon seal -> here Sasuke holds out the scroll and Orochimaru asks what he wants to meet them for:



    So my question is, why didn't Orochimaru capture (or get Kabuto to capture) some Zetsu, or other sacrifices, and do this ritual earlier in order to get his arms back?

    EDIT: Oh wait.

    I'm an idiot.

    He couldn't get into the Uchiha hideout.



    Hmmm ... if that's true, then we're back to square one. And if we're back to square one, then all these other reasons (timing, sickness, etc) are legit.
    After the invasion of the leaf, Orochimaru lost the most important tools in his arsenal:

    1) He lost the Sand village, his most powerful ally at the time. Without them, he couldn't mount a full-scale invasion (the sound village isn't big enough to do it by themselves)
    2) Many of the sound ninja died in the invasion, and many of the rest of Orochimaru's followers were turned into research subjects and aren't capable of fighting.
    3) Orochimaru lost his two most important Edo summons: Hashirama and Tobirama. There's no evidence that he had any other Edo summons that were as powerful or useful in an attack
    4) He didn't have his arms, so he wouldn't have been able to do much of the work himself (Kabuto could have helped, yes).
    5) Orochimaru's arms were lost and his body was growing weak because he needed to perform a body transfer. He wasn't in condition to attempt this mission.

    Orochimaru needed to sacrifice his own body to summon the demon and cut open it's belly. This means he needed to have another body available for an immediate body transfer.

    Orochimaru's plans were to take over Sasuke's body. His own body was decaying quickly and he was trying to train Sasuke to become the new vessel. However, he "died" before he could make the transfer complete. He might have tried this plan after the switch, if he had lived long enough to do it.
     
         

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    Re: Why didn't Orochimaru do this before?

    Quote Originally Posted by Uchiha Josephus View Post
    So it seems Orochimaru already knew how to release the death demon seal -> here Sasuke holds out the scroll and Orochimaru asks what he wants to meet them for:



    So my question is, why didn't Orochimaru capture (or get Kabuto to capture) some Zetsu, or other sacrifices, and do this ritual earlier in order to get his arms back?

    EDIT: Oh wait.

    I'm an idiot.

    He couldn't get into the Uchiha hideout.



    Hmmm ... if that's true, then we're back to square one. And if we're back to square one, then all these other reasons (timing, sickness, etc) are legit.
    All Orochimaru wanted before was An Uchiha body and the Sharigan that comes with it,Now things are different,Sasuke wants acer Orochimaru is getting it for Him.
     
         

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    Re: Why didn't Orochimaru do this before?

    poor zetsus he used them for the sacrifice lol

    he trolled death and got his arms back and bring all the sealed kages

    what a legend
     
         

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    Re: Why didn't Orochimaru do this before?

    Uhm, my theory is that it is only temporary, I don't think this will last for ever. Using the mask may just bring back something temporary. Oro said it required a sacrifice, he had to use the "snake-crawl-out-of-mouth"-thing to survive.
    If you notice in the chapter, Oro does that after summoning the 4 kages. So it is likely to believe he already lost his arms again, or he will keep them as long as the kages will stand. Perhaps it will have some time limit, and then you need to do it all over again.

    Actually the scan you posted stacks up with this quite good. Oro uses the term "meet". A meeting is only temporary. Well of course, this is a matter of translation though. Other already mentioned possibilities are just as good, but it wouldn't make sense, that he didn't go acquire his arm before taking over Sasuke. The "take-over"-technique is only meant for prolonging his life, and has nothing to do with his hands. He used drugs for that.
     
         
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    Re: Why didn't Orochimaru do this before?

    Quote Originally Posted by Whiteknight View Post
    After the invasion of the leaf, Orochimaru lost the most important tools in his arsenal:

    1) He lost the Sand village, his most powerful ally at the time. Without them, he couldn't mount a full-scale invasion (the sound village isn't big enough to do it by themselves)
    2) Many of the sound ninja died in the invasion, and many of the rest of Orochimaru's followers were turned into research subjects and aren't capable of fighting.
    3) Orochimaru lost his two most important Edo summons: Hashirama and Tobirama. There's no evidence that he had any other Edo summons that were as powerful or useful in an attack
    4) He didn't have his arms, so he wouldn't have been able to do much of the work himself (Kabuto could have helped, yes).
    5) Orochimaru's arms were lost and his body was growing weak because he needed to perform a body transfer. He wasn't in condition to attempt this mission.

    Orochimaru needed to sacrifice his own body to summon the demon and cut open it's belly. This means he needed to have another body available for an immediate body transfer.

    Orochimaru's plans were to take over Sasuke's body. His own body was decaying quickly and he was trying to train Sasuke to become the new vessel. However, he "died" before he could make the transfer complete. He might have tried this plan after the switch, if he had lived long enough to do it.
    This is a very good explanation but it doesn't change the fact that Oro could have performed this whole process during a time of peace and store the Kage for later.

    We all know that Edo's can be stored for later and as long as they are not fully released, they can't think or move on their own. Therefore, the only element that should have prevented Oro from doing this earlier would have been his lack of knowledge on the matter. Clearly he did not know about this is part one, considering he attempted to have Tsunade heal him at the onset, but he clearly knew about it in part 2 considering he must have established all this before he was taken over by Sasuke.

    To get to the point, as soon as Oro knew this, he could have gone to the outskirts of Konoha anytime to get the Uzumaki Reaper Mask, performed the technique ANYWHERE (not only in the Uchiha shrine) and stored the Kage for later until he had sufficient military power of other means.

    The point is that considering the state of his body, Oro should have performed this ritual as soon as he had knowledge rather than waiting for the optimal time.
     
         

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