Re: Naruto Manga 467 Discussion / 468 Predictions

**heart2kill** · 10-09-2009, 08:05 PM

Originally Posted by rajin

I can't help myself but thing about this moon with the sharingan on it... casting a genjutsu worldwide... And there's a couple things I still don't understand.

1- He can only control... people.. at night, or during certain hours every day, not ALL the time, I mean, there comes to a point to which the moon will be on the other side of the earth(unless Kishi made his planet the same way civilization imagined it to be a good 500 years back!)

2- What if a really huge freaking cloud came in front of it? I don't know, I'm just not buying it. By definition to be caught in a genjutsu(or correct me if I'm wrong), it disrupts the users chakra flow in their brain and manipulates it, but for that to happen, they have to look at the eyes(well in the MS case anyway) of the user. So if you wear a cap you're cool? lol. I don't know. Anyone else thinking along these lines? Or is he just going to cast a genjutsu on the planet and uchihax that way?

His plot doesn't make sense to me at all.

kishi cant give u everything at one time... just be patience and things will fall into place. there is still a lot yet to be explore and i hope kishi take his time as usual because i want this manga to continue on for a longgggggggggggggggggg time. @_@

**Aosh hatchi** · 10-09-2009, 09:22 PM

Originally Posted by real kyuubi jinchuuriki

THE JUUBI...THIS WAS QUITE UNEXPECTING...no one's predictions EVER came close to something like this...MADARA is truly a genious...from the very beginning he has been working in the shadows plotting and just watching evrything fall into place...naruto is meddling though..i wonder if he can really stop him????

...Me and my friends ove at Naruto Fanon.. predicted the juubi... Theres a good friend of mine over there...named Ten Tailed Fox...his Character was a host to the Juubi, he made that Character a year a go.. so Kishi took his idea...oh yeah and I predict that Madara Uchiha is Donzo...havnt you noticed in this latest manga chapter how Donzo disappears...but then Madara shows up? But over all... Madara really knows how to plan...really really know how to plan...seriously.

**donnic** · 10-09-2009, 09:35 PM

DAM good chapter i knew there would be a 4th war!!!!!!! well naruto i hope you willing to learn another powerful jutsu (at least learn how to use rasengan with one hand no clone like J-man!!!) anyways i think that all the ages are gonna attack madaraa and of coarse they all fail he teleports out of there and then we see him arrive at sasuke where ever the hell they are and they chat as for the 10 tailed beast well im guessing its that statue but how madara is planning to seal it once it regains its power when madara is a "empty shall" is beyond me any ideas anyone?????????

**DarkMarke** · 10-09-2009, 10:26 PM

And to break up the bordom, some photoshopped pages.

For the record these were done by Nominous and were funny so I had to share.
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**Newsage** · 10-09-2009, 10:47 PM

i dont think thats true.theres no way to know until the chapter comes out.

**Newsage** · 10-09-2009, 11:07 PM

i was thinking something like that 2.it has to b that naruto is a senju even tho they dont excatly say it.this chapter makes me more sure.if the rikudo sage was the jinchuriki of the jubi and his body could handle it,then that would explain narutos bodies ability to hold the foxes power.several characters like yamato and sakura have suggested this before."How can his body hold back such sinister chakra on an daily basis"(yamato)and "i can tell,he shouldnt be able to control that chakra."(sakura)both were from his 4 tailed battle with orochimaru.(sorry that took so long.)i just joined the site today and wanted to post something.

**Newsage** · 10-09-2009, 11:27 PM

yea i thought that 2.and danzos sharingan is the same eye that madara uses.danzos always covering it.and madaras real old so is danzo.the only prblem havig with this is that how would he have competed with the third 4 hokage,and the hidden mist ninja with the byakugan said that that eye belonged to shisui uchiha.if you remember back to the chapters or eps when the were doing sasukes past shusui was the one who had killed himself.or so it said until itachi admitted that he was the one who killed him.which brings another point,how would danzo get it?i mean itachi was a leader in the black ops and danzo headed his own faction.also itachi had ties with madara back then.so he was linked to both of them.danzo could really be madara.he also says he didnt like the thrid.who was taught in the ways of senju.And way would they uchiha have the same eye as the jubi?there decendants of rikudo.maybe the monsters body had an effect on the sage that caused the rinnegan to change into the sharingan?But than y eailer in the seires do they imply that sharingan was born from byakugan?I know i got off topic 4 a while sorry.but last thing,why did kisame call madara mizukage when he frist found out who tobi really was?They say they say the 4th mizukage was controlled by sharingan.

**Newsage** · 10-09-2009, 11:37 PM

Originally Posted by dominykus

OMG what a chapter... Naruto got to train his ass up!! surely killerbee gona help him too own his kyuubi like a dog :P. The raikage look soooo retard lol!! The 4 world war!! all against the akatsuki!! the time is come to naruto to get that ultimate justu give by jairaya and minato... i a want to know what sakura want to say to naruto... So goooooood chapter but need more of naruto action than just a crying scene... :P

i agree 100%.i get kinda annoyed when he just starts crying.

**Newsage** · 10-09-2009, 11:41 PM

Originally Posted by firedemon

after this chapter i'm sure that naruto's next teacher will be killerbee and while everybody is fighting naruto will learn how to control the kyubi and create the famous "that jutsu". not to forget is the entire danzo konoha situation, i wonder if he is going to join sides with akatsuki or just be kicked out of konoha.
let me know what you guys think

i think that'll happen 2.hes already gotten alot better at surpressing the fox thanks to his senjustsu

**stigie78** · 10-10-2009, 12:25 AM

Have you guys realized something? it hadnt come to my mind up to the latest chapter of the manga but now I know what it is.

Have you realized that the jutsu used by madara to transport himself or sasuke/karin is the same as the one used by kakashy during his fight against deidara but in reversed.

is it me or everyone thinks the same?

**RiKuDoSaG3** · 10-10-2009, 12:25 AM

Originally Posted by Konoha Rokudaime

I just recollect Kishi Interview : "Akatsuki with their tailed beasts attack Konoha". And we are going to see Genma in action.

Madara is something like dark lord in the lord of the rings. So, i say without tailed beasts he is powerless.

Nah i dont think so dude .. if he didnt have the tailed beast .. still no 1 can kill him .. his strength is gone but not the JUSTU/TECHNIQUE ... did u see the way he used that time space jutsu .. it was awesome

**RiKuDoSaG3** · 10-10-2009, 12:29 AM

Originally Posted by stigie78

Have you guys realized something? it hadnt come to my mind up to the latest chapter of the manga but now I know what it is.

Have you realized that the jutsu used by madara to transport himself or sasuke/karin is the same as the one used by kakashy during his fight against deidara but in reversed.

is it me or everyone thinks the same?

Hmm.. im not quite sure but i think both techniques are different cuz as far as i know every MONGEKYON SHARIGAN has different abilities

**RiKuDoSaG3** · 10-10-2009, 12:39 AM

Originally Posted by SageD

yea but what kind of rule will he play.

Kabuto is gonna go after SASUKE cuz he killed orichimaru .. and back then kabuto challenged naruto to fight once he controls CURSE MARK.

**stigie78** · 10-10-2009, 12:49 AM

i just found out how the las bijuu looks like.

it looks like a......................ta ta ta taaaaaa

A PEACOCK. HERE IS HOW IT WILL WORK.

you pull off all the tails from all the bijuus, 1 from ichibi, 2 from nibi, 3 from sanbi, 4 from yonbi, 5 from gobi, 6 from rokubi, 7 from shichibi, 8 from hachibi and 9 tails from kyuubi. thats a total of 45 tails. you put all together in one bijuu and will look like a PEACOCK.

lol

**SageD** · 10-10-2009, 01:48 AM

Originally Posted by Maximillion

After reading everybodies i can see that everyone feels this was an EPIC chapter and so do I. But i would like to point out a few things that i would like you to think about and maybe answer:

1. When we some people say that tobi/madara is untouchable they are wrong. they seem to forget that the ametsaru itachi planted in sasuke's eyes in chapter 397 began burning madara. How is this possible? That is what i believe to be some of madara's weaknesses

2. How and when did tobi/madara get the chance to read those tablets? This is why i have the strongests conviction that danzo and madara must be linked.

3. Madara has revealed so much but yet has not revealed his face. This leads me to believe that not all his secrets r out in the open. He tells everyone in the conference room that he could'nt let a nice pair of eyes like that slip through his fingers. He needs sasuke's eyes not only the remaining tailed-beast.

PLEASE DISCUSS!!!

Great points it is true that

amatersu did start burning

. Also i belevie the tabet has been there for a very long time.

**rasenchidori** · 10-10-2009, 02:36 AM

First post in a long time. Did you guys notice that jiraya and that frog were talking about teaching naruto the death god tech. ( shippuden episode). I think that it is possible to use that tech without dying when having the juby chackra sealed within yourself. Just my thoughts

**rasenchidori** · 10-10-2009, 02:38 AM

the number of circles in the juuby's eyes looked like to be the rinnegan, but the comma's made it look like the sharingan. Wow byakugan is being ignored,

**rasenchidori** · 10-10-2009, 02:41 AM

As for the ninja war. If danzo joins akatsuki, then remember( he has his people following him.). And if that happens then sai might have to join akatsuki, or he will stay by naruto's side( most likely to happen)

**CRK2191** · 10-10-2009, 03:19 AM

Originally Posted by RasenShruiken

Omg! totally sweet chapter... I think that killer bee and naruto will end up being captured by madara, but at least naruto will survive, and he will get like, epically stronger somehow.

I totally agree. Everytime Naruto is about to die, he somehow becomes ridiculously stronger and I find it very annoying.

This show should totally be called Madara Shipuuden. Who cares about Naruto, he's boring. GO SASUKE!!!!!!

**RasenShruiken** · 10-10-2009, 03:48 AM

Originally Posted by CRK2191

I totally agree. Everytime Naruto is about to die, he somehow becomes ridiculously stronger and I find it very annoying.

This show should totally be called Madara Shipuuden. Who cares about Naruto, he's boring. GO SASUKE!!!!!!

thanks for the reply. and for future referance, please no fanboyism. You'll get alot of crap for it

**~~rajin~~** · 10-10-2009, 04:09 AM

It's also possibly. I wonder also how So6P could beat this beast. So it's least three possibilities:
1) So6P has Rinnegan and use the powerful genjutsu on the beast
2) So6P uses a powerful seal justu like Minato did with the kyuubi, but somehow survival this sealing.
3) So6P is just so powerful that he can conquer the best with his bare hand.

If 1) is right, then your theory would be a good bid.
If 2) or 3) is right, the my theory would eba good bid.

But i'm well know that nagato uses Rinnegan to control his summon animal and that madara uses his EMS to control the kyyubi and that Sasuke uses his S to control Manda.

But how can you explain this myth about Sharingan and particularly Byakugan coming from Rinnegan.

Also, my theory can interpreter that all Kekkei Genkai come from the beasts, see Roshi has Lava Realse from the four tails beast.

**~~rajin~~** · 10-10-2009, 04:09 AM

1. Madara goes into his dimension and talks with sasuke, telling him a few secrets he didn't mention to the kages.

2. While unlocking SG, MS, and rinnegan can allow you to read more and more of the uchiha stone tablet, the EMS can see a final hidden message.

3. We find out that madara didn't steal his brothers eyes like we think. Instead they both chose to switched. The younger brother didn't get EMS, instead unlocking rinnegan. After seeing the rinnegan allowed his brother to learn any elemental attack, he killed him and took his left eye for himself. He keeps it covered so no one will know.

4. Madara thinks sasuke's 6-point star design is just his MS. We find out it's really something way different. I've been thinking about this for a while now. When Itachi gave sasuke his MS tech, he did a lot more than just that. I think he actually altered his DNA to give him his abilities. These abilities lay dormant until triggered by certain events.We see that when sasuke used Amaterasu on madara his eye formed a replica of itachi's MS. That's 1 example. Itachi wanted madara to think Amaterasu was his plan to kill him, but in reality he knew it wouldn't work and wanted madara to recruit sasuke. He already knew all of madara's secrets (^referring to idea #3). Sasuke's activation of his MS, was a 2nd trigger. What happen was itachi's jutsu tricked sasuke's body into thinking the eye transfer had taken place. It was supposed to result in the EMS. If that's the case then we would see itachi's pattern over whatever sasuke's looked like, which we don't. That's because sasuke had the dormant rinnegan ability in his DNA, which also activated. It then integrated with sasuke's EMS forming a whole new eye tech.

Here's a scientific way to look at it. Human DNA is made of 46 chromosomes. Kekkei Genkai are mutated genes found in these chromosomes. Lets assume all the uchiha clan has the SG/MS ability, but most people will either have the EMS or rinnegan trait which is made from 2 different genes. Madara was born with the EMS trait. Izuna had the Rinnegan trait. So when madara and izuna switched they each unlocked different abilities. Madara just stole his brothers eye afterwards giving him one of each. When sasuke unlocked his MS, itachi's justsu activated his dormant DNA attempting to artificially create the EMS or rinnegan (whichever sasuke had), However an error occurred during the process, causing the EMS abilities to be inserted into the rinnegan chromosome, resulting in a completely new mutation with unforeseen powers.

**Jonesy161** · 10-10-2009, 05:13 AM

Originally Posted by Dextral

Hmmm.... So what happens to the genjutsu during the day. And if people aren't affected by the genjutsu or hidden from the moon...

Madara's genjutsu was powerful enough to control the kyuubi. Sage was able to control the Juubi. Madara's new eye form with the power of the Juubi might make his Genjutsu possibly impossible to break from. Those hidden might be safe untill they come out, and during the day, the reflection of the moon is always out. I'm just curious what would happen if an eclipse or no moon were to come out, then powerful ninja's might be able to make a break for it then.

**Valkyria** · 10-10-2009, 05:46 AM

Originally Posted by rajin

It's also possibly. I wonder also how So6P could beat this beast. So it's least three possibilities:
1) So6P has Rinnegan and use the powerful genjutsu on the beast
2) So6P uses a powerful seal justu like Minato did with the kyuubi, but somehow survival this sealing.
3) So6P is just so powerful that he can conquer the best with his bare hand.

If 1) is right, then your theory would be a good bid.
If 2) or 3) is right, the my theory would eba good bid.

But i'm well know that nagato uses Rinnegan to control his summon animal and that madara uses his EMS to control the kyyubi and that Sasuke uses his S to control Manda.

But how can you explain this myth about Sharingan and particularly Byakugan coming from Rinnegan.

Also, my theory can interpreter that all Kekkei Genkai come from the beasts, see Roshi has Lava Realse from the four tails beast.

Rikudou Sennin was a GOD. nuff said.

The thing with the Byakugan is that the Juubi didn't show any traits concerning it. Nor has Madara at any time mentioned the Byakugan during his history lessons. One problem with Rinnegan coming from the Juubi theory is how did Nagato recieve it? He's shown no known affiliation to Senju or Uchicha bloodlines yet was able to randomly recieve this 'tool of heaven'.

**Valkyria** · 10-10-2009, 05:59 AM

Originally Posted by Maximillion

After reading everybodies i can see that everyone feels this was an EPIC chapter and so do I. But i would like to point out a few things that i would like you to think about and maybe answer:

1. When we some people say that tobi/madara is untouchable they are wrong. they seem to forget that the ametsaru itachi planted in sasuke's eyes in chapter 397 began burning madara. How is this possible? That is what i believe to be some of madara's weaknesses

2. How and when did tobi/madara get the chance to read those tablets? This is why i have the strongests conviction that danzo and madara must be linked.

3. Madara has revealed so much but yet has not revealed his face. This leads me to believe that not all his secrets r out in the open. He tells everyone in the conference room that he could'nt let a nice pair of eyes like that slip through his fingers. He needs sasuke's eyes not only the remaining tailed-beast.

PLEASE DISCUSS!!!

1. The thing with Amaterasu is that it's not a particular fast killing jutsu like some of the other high level jutsu. Almost unavoidable and likely certain death but it still escapable. But Itachi planted a booby trap that caught Madara off guard since he thought he was in a controlled environment with Sasuke tied up. We've seem come into physical contact with other people so he is untouchable but requires extremely difficult timing to catch him off guard.

2. The 'tablet has been passed down through the Uchicha clan for generations'. Madara as the first with EMS would have accessed to this tablet before Danzo was even born and knew the truth all these years. No way conclusive that Madara and Danzo have any connection.

3. Of course not. Madara is only telling half-truths. There's always more to the plan. He probably wants Sasuke to develop his eyes to the highest possible state and use Naruto's body as the ultimate senju bodied vessel to hold the Juubi. Thus reuniting Rikudou Sennin's ultimate form into himself and being unstoppable.

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