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    Re: Enough of orochimaru being the strongest

    Quote Originally Posted by madara san View Post
    I know i should've stuck in an 'imho' i know, I just think it would be like poetic irony if it was Orochimaru who was to bring them ultimately together again, since it was him who fuelled their separation so much in the beginning. As for your assertions to his weakness/inability to compete with Sasuke at this stage, many fine folks have already disputed that. He has been restored completely and now has Edo control of four of the strongest characters in the history of Naruto...I'm not in line with the people who suggest he might use them in some sort of all out attack on the shinobi alliance and juubi/madara/obito...he's smarter than that. But please, give him more credit...he definitely has earned it. Look what he achieved in the last chapter alone. He's an evil genius!!
    I can definitely see how orochimaru is pushing them together again but to me it has just seemed as though orochimaru has accepted a back seat role to sasuke (who has been powered up tremendously and has been shown how to release edo tensei by itachi) oro has no ambitions to take over the war like you said which was spot on. ems sasuke is just too much for oro i think. the next chapter will be very telling (hopefully) in regards to what kishimoto has planned for the edo hokages. if orochimaru is shown to control them in battle i will eat my words but i dont think kishi is gonna let his golden boy sasuke be outshined by orochimaru.
     
         

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    Re: Enough of orochimaru being the strongest

    Quote Originally Posted by snake orochimaru View Post
    Lee fodderized Edo Madara???

    do us all a favour and delete your account
    HE did rip right through him like it was nothing... If he was alive, he'd have died with his fight with the Kage.
     
         

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    Re: Enough of orochimaru being the strongest

    Quote Originally Posted by BossManKakashi View Post
    1. It isnt stated but it is implied by orochimaru when he tells suigetsu that he is no longer "hebi". this obviously signifies that it no longer matters what orochimarus wishes are as they are team "taka" with sasuke in charge. plus, sasuke is no dumbass and kishimoto wouldnt waste all the time he spent developing his character just so orochimaru steam rolls him. also worth noting that sasuke has seen the seals to release edo tensei.

    2. considering a kyuubi filled hinata was able to repel a juubi arm with a simple jutsu it doesnt take a rocket scientist to infer what gai and kakashi would be capable of with the same power. not to mention the hundreds of other shinobi who have the been infused with the chakra. sorry but the hokages even as edo have a snowballs chance in hell of winning that battle. there are plenty of qualified sealing shinobi in the alliance to clean things up.
    3. thats right cause its the truth you cant even come up with a rebuttal without sounding like a fanboy
    4. point of this thread clearly states that orochimaru isnt the strongest force in the manga right now, even if by some miraculous stroke of luck he does take the plot no jutsu away from sasuke, which just isnt going to happen.
    5. nagato killed jiraiya, actually crushed the leaf, all solo. orochimaru with 2 edo hokages couldnt even accomplish a fraction of that why now when the heroes are at their strongest would the results be any different for oro?
    6. umm we dont even know orochimaru is a villain yet he has had barely any panel time and has only done things to support sasuke. why dont you wait till kishimoto tells us what happens before you blindly assume things based on your fanboyism.
    7. Many shinobi have surpassed 4 tail state so many shinobi have the power to kill oro.
    8. that is maybe one of the most illogical and poorly worded arguments i have heard. MY point if you failed to grasp it was, why would kishimoto waste his time giving orochimaru a power up when the power up wouldnt even make him stronger than the heroes. talk about a waste of everyones time.

    Why is everyone assuming that sasuke is going to go good? he will be the post war villain all signs indicate that he will continue his revenge so that should be used as the assumption until there is evidence otherwise.

    If you discarded your blind fanboyism you might actually realize the logic here and when it comes to pass you will feel much less stupid.
    Here we go, gonna do this a little shorter cause i just dont wanna waste all my
    typing time defending one of my least favorite characters. and spending it on a
    hater.

    1) The "hebi-taka" refers to the fact that suigetsu and juugo are no longer under Orochimaru's control, cant help but the notice that this is loose from the fact wether Orochimaru is under Sasuke's control or not.

    2) I do not see how you can compare, An army of shinobi with 4 of the strongest men in konoha history which we allmost know nothing about? you are basing this on wild assumptions and a comparison game. well I can play that too. Concidering Hashi defeated Madara and Madara solo'd the 5 kages (the 5 strongest shinobi currently alive and known off) I think hashi can handle some kids with a bit of the 9tails chackra

    3)Now your just being arrogant my friend (: I dont wanna argue with that cause I have no business getting a itachi/Sasuke fanclub on my neck. Just not worth it

    4) Like states before, i handed you this point.

    5) 4 Hokages

    6) Like i said before, this is a theory of mine. My opinion on oro getting reintroduced is so Kishi has a way out if the war ends and he wants the story to continue. You got no hero story without a villain.

    7) I dont know where you read this, but it sure off hell isnt in any manga that I know off. Jiraya could hardly handle 4 tailed Naruto. So now your implementing that many of the shinobi are at sannin level?

    8) Whats illogical about this? pure mathematics. you implement that they got a power up and there for are stronger then the hokages. The hokages get a power up too (edo tensei = infinite chakra/stamina)
    Now lets put this all in a mathematical order

    Kyuubi power up = X * 10 = 10X
    Edo tensei power up = X * INFINITE = INFITE X

    INFITE X > 10X, right?
    Or did i spend 6 years doing high level math for nothing?


    I never assumed Sasuke was going going and last but not least (again).

    Like stated above, I am everything except a orochimaru fanboy so please
    stop acting like you know everybody and everything about the manga
    let Kishi decide what happens and maybe try anger management.
    It should relief some of the hate in you

    Have a nice day good sir!
     
         

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    Re: Enough of orochimaru being the strongest

    Quote Originally Posted by BREAKD View Post
    Here we go, gonna do this a little shorter cause i just dont wanna waste all my
    typing time defending one of my least favorite characters. and spending it on a
    hater.

    1) The "hebi-taka" refers to the fact that suigetsu and juugo are no longer under Orochimaru's control, cant help but the notice that this is loose from the fact wether Orochimaru is under Sasuke's control or not.

    2) I do not see how you can compare, An army of shinobi with 4 of the strongest men in konoha history which we allmost know nothing about? you are basing this on wild assumptions and a comparison game. well I can play that too. Concidering Hashi defeated Madara and Madara solo'd the 5 kages (the 5 strongest shinobi currently alive and known off) I think hashi can handle some kids with a bit of the 9tails chackra

    3)Now your just being arrogant my friend (: I dont wanna argue with that cause I have no business getting a itachi/Sasuke fanclub on my neck. Just not worth it

    4) Like states before, i handed you this point.

    5) 4 Hokages

    6) Like i said before, this is a theory of mine. My opinion on oro getting reintroduced is so Kishi has a way out if the war ends and he wants the story to continue. You got no hero story without a villain.

    7) I dont know where you read this, but it sure off hell isnt in any manga that I know off. Jiraya could hardly handle 4 tailed Naruto. So now your implementing that many of the shinobi are at sannin level?

    8) Whats illogical about this? pure mathematics. you implement that they got a power up and there for are stronger then the hokages. The hokages get a power up too (edo tensei = infinite chakra/stamina)
    Now lets put this all in a mathematical order

    Kyuubi power up = X * 10 = 10X
    Edo tensei power up = X * INFINITE = INFITE X

    INFITE X > 10X, right?
    Or did i spend 6 years doing high level math for nothing?


    I never assumed Sasuke was going going and last but not least (again).

    Like stated above, I am everything except a orochimaru fanboy so please
    stop acting like you know everybody and everything about the manga
    let Kishi decide what happens and maybe try anger management.
    It should relief some of the hate in you

    Have a nice day good sir!
    1. well it certainly shows his authority in the scenario. if oro is so powerful as you claim he is not the type to take orders from anyone.
    2. well since lee kicked edo madara in half effortlessly (who is stronger now than when alive) i think the whole alliance with the same power up could destroy all 4 hokages with minimal losses. how many past kages has the alliance already defeated without the kyuubi power up?? 4 more is really not that big of a problem. point being why would kishi make give oro that power up when the heroes are already facing a greater threat?? its anticlimatic and wont happen. kishi is better then that.
    3. ok sorry that was a little ignorant of me to talk ****.
    4. fair enough.
    5. sorry but you are arguing a clearly losing point on this one. orochimaru gaining 4 hokages does not give him enough power to be the strongest and certainly doesnt outclass obito and the JUUBI with an edo rinnengan madara. most people seem to be so blinded that they forget the juubi fires freaking nuclear missles out of its mouth.
    6. what about sasuke? he should clearly be front runner for main villain at this point. just got an EMS and you are telling me he is gonna go soft before he uses it? not bloody likely.
    7. Itachi, sasuke, killer b, nagato, naruto, Gaara, A, Oonoki, to name a few past sannin level.
    8. umm no edo doesnt infinitely power up the shinobi it increases stamina and durability not power numb nuts. and no offense but judging from your little equation there it doesnt really seem like you have spent 6 years doing anything but smoking the reefers.

    good day to you as well, I will forgive your attempt to instigate me on a personal level.
     
         

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    Re: Enough of orochimaru being the strongest

    http://mangafox.me/manga/naruto/v59/c560/16.html here it is indirectly said that Orochimaru with kabuto researched his body....we already know Oro gave the mokuton to Danzou, so it was him to further research madaras body infused with Hashiramas cells ...in order to revive Madara with the rinnegan....that is what he wants after all
     
         

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    Re: Enough of orochimaru being the strongest

    This reminded me when kabuto became overpower, noone wanted to accept that he +his army solo!

    But now Orochimaru its beyon soling!
     
         

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    Re: Enough of orochimaru being the strongest

    Quote Originally Posted by Ngylle View Post
    This reminded me when kabuto became overpower, noone wanted to accept that he +his army solo!

    But now Orochimaru its beyon soling!
    kabuto and his army didnt solo ****. next please.
     
         

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    Re: Enough of orochimaru being the strongest

    Quote Originally Posted by Sannin no chikarada View Post
    http://mangafox.me/manga/naruto/v59/c560/16.html here it is indirectly said that Orochimaru with kabuto researched his body....we already know Oro gave the mokuton to Danzou, so it was him to further research madaras body infused with Hashiramas cells ...in order to revive Madara with the rinnegan....that is what he wants after all
    nicely played, i agree with you now except i think oros goal was to get sasuke so he could awaken rinnegan in him and steal his body not to revive madara.
     
         

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    Re: Enough of orochimaru being the strongest

    Quote Originally Posted by BossManKakashi View Post
    kabuto and his army didnt solo ****. next please.
    he god overconfident over his mighty!
     
         

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    Re: Enough of orochimaru being the strongest

    I wouldn't say Orochimaru is the strongest but he is defiantly high top 10 now I am unsure on his placement yet need to see what he can do with the edo's first.
     
         

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    Re: Enough of orochimaru being the strongest

    Quote Originally Posted by Deadai View Post
    I wouldn't say Orochimaru is the strongest but he is defiantly high top 10 now I am unsure on his placement yet need to see what he can do with the edo's first.
    agreed. we need more information on this subject before we could even think of declaring him the most powerful.
     
         

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    Re: Enough of orochimaru being the strongest

    I'll tell you why he is the strongest using A<B<C logic:

    Your favourite character < Mortality < Orochimaru
     
         

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    Re: Enough of orochimaru being the strongest

    Quote Originally Posted by LeEvilTongue View Post
    I'll tell you why he is the strongest using A<B<C logic:

    Your favourite character < Mortality < Orochimaru
    oro is mortal he hasnt died yet just sealed. get it together!
     
         

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    Re: Enough of orochimaru being the strongest

    Ok, I can live with that
     
         

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    Re: Enough of orochimaru being the strongest

    As much as you hate Orochimaru, he's about to throw his hat in the ring. He now has control of the 4 Hokage, and has his arms back. Guess we'll find out huh.
     
         

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    Re: Enough of orochimaru being the strongest

    The problem with orochimaru is that he cannot be killed......he may not be physically strong....but he is highly intelligent......and that is something even naruto lacks....naruto may have a huge amount of chakra thanks to kurama but he lacks the intelligence, analysis ability and is far from being a skilled ninja.....he doesn't have that creativity in his techs.....but oro has a lot of skills, he basically has the knowledge acquired from his research in the field of ninja arts...he has studied most jutsus to the core so he also knows a way to counter every jutsu...and the only ninja who has ever able to strike FEAR in orochimaru was uchiha itachi....
     
         

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    Re: Enough of orochimaru being the strongest

    Oro will be a tough opponent....he is a guy one simply cannot get rid of..l..he even defied death so many times....ever since the reaper seal was used by the 3rd to seal his hands...he started to find out a possible way to reverse the seal and eventually found out a way...as we can all see from ch 618....yes...its true that the techs belong to the uzumaki but i don't think someone in oro's place coukd have figured it out and eventually end up recovering his lost arms along with four hokages.....and even escape death from shinigami by using a soul transfer jutsu.....he evolced the white snke power and finally has reached a level where he can't be a human anymore......he is a monster...but a monster who is perhaps the greatest genius the shinobi world has ever known........
     
         

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    Re: Enough of orochimaru being the strongest

    And from my point of view, orochimaru is a FAR BETTER NINJA than naruto.....at least he doesn't rely on another source of power......
     
         

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    Re: Enough of orochimaru being the strongest

    oro is a strong character but i've kinda seen enough of him i dont really want him to come back with a huge role in naruto, he did his parts now he needs to just help sasuke abit and die again or leave either way this **** gettin boring of him "dying" then coming back again and again like a troll that wont shut up its just gonna ruin oro imo i hope that hes gonna have a nice ending this time and wont come back from it
     
         

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    Re: Enough of orochimaru being the strongest

    Quote Originally Posted by BREAKD View Post
    Prize of hater of the year goes to...

    Now for the facts:
    1) Where was it ever stated that Sasuke is in contol of the situation? at best he is just gonna
    put his uchiha ass on the ground and listen blindly to the stories the previous kages have
    to tell and wont even be listening/paying attention to what the rest is doing.
    2) Again where do you get these facts? For all we know Yondaime was able to take out whole armies,
    we dont know very much about Hashi or Tobirama in terms jutsu in fact the only things we DO know
    is that Hashi was able to stop Madara, wich relates to the next step, madara was able to stop the 5 KAGES
    at ease. And then there is Hiruzen, the god of shinobi. I think with that there is enough said.
    3) Not even gonna comment at this
    4) I must hand it to you, that you are right about this. I think its futile arguing about this. They were both
    considered sannin, a term based on skill level meaning that they should be equal in amounts of skill and or
    battle experience
    5) Nagato > everybody 1on1, your argument is invalid
    6) Madara is probably gonna get his ass whooped before Orochimaru, wich leaves Orochimaru as the last 'villain'
    (Using the word 'last' instead of 'main' here, cause we dont know what he will be up to later on)
    7) He didnt have his arms back then. ARgument is invalid
    8) Seeing the kyuubi chakras handed out to everybody just enhance chakra (give more) your argument is yet again,
    yes you guessed good, INVALID. Edo tensei bodies have an unlimited amount of chakra and stamina. Now here comes
    in the math, INFINITE APPLES > EXTRA NUMBER OF APPLES. Thus the 4 hokages have unlimited chakra.
    And coming back at your 'fodderizing point', Lee just kicked true a dead body which recovered 5 seconds later.
    What is useful about dodging an attack that does no harm to you at all? Again, argument concidered INVALID



    And who says they can stop the juubi and co. ? You are talking like the battle is allready over my dear friend
    in fact, im guessing this thing is just getting started



    And there actually is a proof of what he can do with HALF of the kages standing before him (refers to the konoha destruction arc.)

    I am no Orochimaru fanboy at all, but I am of the idea that Kishi brought Oro back to have an exit point
    when the war is over and he wants to continue the series (yes villains are needed to give a series about
    a hero some action and viewers).
    As stated I pled not guilty for being an Orochimaru fan boy, as the avatar gives away I like somebody els.
    But i just resent the fact that brainless, haters start posting threads based on fantasies accompanied with
    some drop dead random sentences ripped out of the manga.

    Let us all continue watching Oro's steps and discus later on
    Sorry for the long post

    CHEERS!
    Why bother to explain anything?

    Most users on this website still have loads in their pants.
    Most don't comprehend what power really is and think something
    stupid as a new Jutsu or eye ability automatically makes someone the strongest.
     
         

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