Brains over Brawn. The truly strong, Minato and Hiruzen!

[★-Sky-]

I honestly think all the Hokages are equals. (Excluding the fifth)

[Owarij]

You were wrong, post #20 is what I meant.

Then it was you who was wrong, as Kakashi's ability is called kamui

[iSpeak the Truth -in detention-]

Then it was you who was wrong, as Kakashi's ability is called kamui

Yet the difference between Kakashi and Obito's Kamui is that of the land and the sky. Don't get techinical on me bro, you know exactly what I'm talking about. No one except Minato has ever escaped getting warped away by Obito.

[Draphsin]

How did I overestimate him? How does his death have anything to do with his ability?

He died in battle, meaning his enemy was superior. And an enemy can only be better in two ways. In strength (overall ability) or intelligence, and seeing how minato was obviously stronger. The only way he couldve been defeated by obito was through intelligence

[iSpeak the Truth -in detention-]

He died in battle, meaning his enemy was superior. And an enemy can only be better in two ways. In strength (overall ability) or intelligence, and seeing how minato was obviously stronger. The only way he couldve been defeated by obito was through intelligence

Defeated?! What?! Obito got smashed, stabbed and got the Kyuubi taken from him in seconds! WTF ARE YOU ON?! Minato died because he chose to! Even Kushina said he didn't have to die, she could have taken the Kyuubi with her. It was a sacrifice, and seeing as how things have turned out, it was a necessary one! Stop doing drugs and fapping it to Uchiha's.

I am an Uchiha and Obito fan just as much as the next guy, but not as much as an obsessive fan boy like you!

[Draphsin]

Defeated?! What?! Obito got smashed, stabbed and got the Kyuubi taken from him in seconds! WTF ARE YOU ON?! Minato died because he chose to! Even Kushina said he didn't have to die, she could have taken the Kyuubi with her. It was a sacrifice, and seeing as how things have turned out, it was a necessary one! Stop doing drugs and fapping it to Uchiha's.

I am an Uchiha and Obito fan just as much as the next guy, but not as much as an obsessive fan boy like you!

wow you f*cking moron, i was trying to be civil and have an intelligent debate with you and you call me a fanboy...!? im sorry how f*ckn old are you? twelve...?

Now as for your dumb argument, who was the one who captured kishina and naruto, and had them ay his mercy...? Minato chose to save his family of course what are you smoking son?....name me ONE father who wouldnt choose saving their family over killing somebody...yeah thats right didnt think you could, now stfu.. Oh and tell me, if minato was sooooo smart, then why didnt he come up with a master plan to kill obito AND save his wife/son....? lol now try saying im being a fanboy again because every time you do it just makes you look retarded after i smash your rebuttal into pieces

[iSpeak the Truth -in detention-]

wow you f*cking moron, i was trying to be civil and have an intelligent debate with you and you call me a fanboy...!? im sorry how f*ckn old are you? twelve...?

Now as for your dumb argument, who was the one who captured kishina and naruto, and had them ay his mercy...? Minato chose to save his family of course what are you smoking son?....name me ONE father who wouldnt choose saving their family over killing somebody...yeah thats right didnt think you could, now stfu.. Oh and tell me, if minato was sooooo smart, then why didnt he come up with a master plan to kill obito AND save his wife/son....? lol now try saying im being a fanboy again because every time you do it just makes you look retarded after i smash your rebuttal into pieces

Obito had leverage, what he did by entering the village and the birthing place could also be done by Minato if he was after Obito's wife! Minato did save Kushina before she got killed by the Kyuubi!

You obviously don't get the concept of winning and losing. You said 'Defeated'! And I seem to remember Obito warping away after getting destroyed. Minato won their little scuffle! And he also had a master plan! His name is Naruto, and he already smashed Obito's mask, and there is much more to come where that came from! Stay tuned! Fanboy

[Draphsin]

Obito had leverage, what he did by entering the village and the birthing place could also be done by Minato if he was after Obito's wife! Minato did save Kushina before she got killed by the Kyuubi!

You obviously don't get the concept of winning and losing. You said 'Defeated'! And I seem to remember Obito warping away after getting destroyed. Minato won their little scuffle! And he also had a master plan! His name is Naruto, and he already smashed Obito's mask, and there is much more to come where that came from! Stay tuned! Fanboy

Obito caused kurama's attack.....meaning obito was indirectly responsible for minato's death. Obito knew he couldnt handle minato power wise, so he needed an edge. therefore, he used his intelligence and planning to get control of kurama, and used it against konoha. You cant deny his responsibility for this action and yeah leverage is important when you wanna defeat your enemies, there are no rules in fighting and obito took advantage of minatos "burden" at the time. That is called strategy

lol look whos talking you d*** rider, minato would've died regardless if he gave naruto the chakra or not. He thought on his feel and ill respect him for that. But face it kid, minato lost

[iSpeak the Truth -in detention-]

Obito caused kurama's attack.....meaning obito was indirectly responsible for minato's death. Obito knew he couldnt handle minato power wise, so he needed an edge. therefore, he used his intelligence and planning to get control of kurama, and used it against konoha. You cant deny his responsibility for this action and yeah leverage is important when you wanna defeat your enemies, there are no rules in fighting and obito took advantage of minatos "burden" at the time. That is called strategy

And Minato's strategy is Naruto, also, he couldnt just let Kushina die with the Kyuubi, he is Hokage, he has a responsibilty towards his village, that is why he chose to sacrifice himself to seal half the Kyuubi in his son and keep the power balance of Bijuu's with the other villages. And so far that strategy is working pretty good.

[Draphsin]

And Minato's strategy is Naruto, also, he couldnt just let Kushina die with the Kyuubi, he is Hokage, he has a responsibilty towards his village, that is why he chose to sacrifice himself to seal half the Kyuubi in his son and keep the power balance of Bijuu's with the other villages. And so far that strategy is working pretty good.

kushina wouldnt die, she survived the extraction. Omg you are really daft eh? minato chose to save his family who obito had in danger, simple as that, keep making excuses because all i see now is an alive obito and an edo minato. And naruto is naruto, not minato's "plan".....you speak of him as if he's minato's power but he's not. And regardless, it still takes kakashi to even lay a scratch on obito so naruto V obito is useless as he would get roflstomped

[iSpeak the Truth -in detention-]

kushina wouldnt die, she survived the extraction. Omg you are really daft eh? minato chose to save his family who obito had in danger, simple as that, keep making excuses because all i see now is an alive obito and an edo minato. And naruto is naruto, not minato's "plan".....you speak of him as if he's minato's power but he's not. And regardless, it still takes kakashi to even lay a scratch on obito so naruto V obito is useless as he would get roflstomped

You dumbas$! They have to put the Kyuubi somewhere, Kushina wouldn't have survived another sealing, that's why she offered to drag the Kyuubi to death with herself. And Naruto was made a Jinchuuriki by Minato, that's what he died for, so yes, Naruto is Minato's plan for saving the world. Get that through your head!

[T Bogard]

You dumbas$! They have to put the Kyuubi somewhere, Kushina wouldn't have survived another sealing, that's why she offered to drag the Kyuubi to death with herself. And Naruto was made a Jinchuuriki by Minato, that's what he died for, so yes, Naruto is Minato's plan for saving the world. Get that through your head!

Lmao seems there is a hot discussion in this thread :rofl: I like the way you try to argue with him, but i can just give you an advice. It's worthless

[Draphsin]

You dumbas$! They have to put the Kyuubi somewhere, Kushina wouldn't have survived another sealing, that's why she offered to drag the Kyuubi to death with herself. And Naruto was made a Jinchuuriki by Minato, that's what he died for, so yes, Naruto is Minato's plan for saving the world. Get that through your head!

lol the blindness of fanboys ceases to amaze me. Minato made naruto the jinjuriki because he didnt have a choice....you keep on making excuses but the fact still remains that minato died protecting his family from obito....thats it. god i feel like im typing the same thing over again. He's dead lol thats that

Naruto is not minato's plan...it was his belief that his son would be the child of prophecy.... Your assuming that minato predicted all the events up to this point, which is obviously false. Heres an example of why naruto is naruto and not part of minato.. Itachi, he wanted sasuke to save konoha, but his plan failed, point being the people you want to follow a certain path wont always stay on that path. Naruto coul'dve easily been killed, and he's lost his will to live so many times i cant even count. Did minato predict that hinata would try to save naruto, therefore forcing him into V2 mode? lol gimmie a break

[Interfectorem]

No one has escaped Obito's Kamui except Minato.

Wow. You would go so far as to change your own words just to look right.

Here's what you said:

[Minato] Survived being warped by the Kamui.(Which no one has ever done)

You can't wiggle your way out of this. Deidara survived being warped by Kamui. Your comment about no one else surviving Kamui is invalid.

Minato really did make him run away scared.

Show me the manga page that depicts Obito being scared. (Hint: You can't)

It was Minato's barrier.

Just, lol.


I also laugh at how you have completely taken a u-turn on your stance after saying this:

In the end it's all opinion any way. I can't change the way you have thought about a certain person for a long time. So if you agree with me, great. If not, then so be it.

If that's how you really feel, then stfu and stop arguing. You're wrong anyway.

[iSpeak the Truth -in detention-]

lol the blindness of fanboys ceases to amaze me. Minato made naruto the jinjuriki because he didnt have a choice....you keep on making excuses but the fact still remains that minato died protecting his family from obito....thats it. god i feel like im typing the same thing over again. He's dead lol thats that

Wrong!

He did have a choice you f*cktard! Go read the manga! Kushina said herself she would die with the Kyuubi and Minato could raise Naruto. Minato CHOSE not to! He CHOSE to keep the Bijuu balance between villages and he trusted Jiraiya's prophecy for the saviour, who he believed was in fact Naruto!(And he was right!)

The only way to seal the Kyuubi in his infant son was if he halved the Kyuubi's chakra with the Shiki Fuujin, that's why he died! And Minato also said he couldn't live without Kushina.

Moron

[iSpeak the Truth -in detention-]

Wow. You would go so far as to change your own words just to look right.

Here's what you said:


You can't wiggle your way out of this. Deidara survived being warped by Kamui. Your comment about no one else surviving Kamui is invalid.


Show me the manga page that depicts Obito being scared. (Hint: You can't)



Just, lol.


I also laugh at how you have completely taken a u-turn on your stance after saying this:


If that's how you really feel, then stfu and stop arguing. You're wrong anyway.

I'm not retracting my statement you idiot, Minato escaped Obito's Kamui, so it should have been obvious who's Kamui I was talking about since their is a vast difference between the workings of the two Kamui. But you would obviously call me out on a technicality when you know I'm right!

Kakashi's Kamui is sh!t against Obito's! There are two Kamui's! Dumbas$.

Obito running away while his arm was dripping from his sleeve is a sign of fear.

[Draphsin]

Wrong!

He did have a choice you f*cktard! Go read the manga! Kushina said herself she would die with the Kyuubi and Minato could raise Naruto. Minato CHOSE not to! He CHOSE to keep the Bijuu balance between villages and he trusted Jiraiya's prophecy for the saviour, who he believed was in fact Naruto!(And he was right!)

The only way to seal the Kyuubi in his infant son was if he halved the Kyuubi's chakra with the Shiki Fuujin, that's why he died! And Minato also said he couldn't live without Kushina.

Moron

lol......
WRONG B**** SUCK IT AND GO CRY IN A CORNER BECAUSE EVERYTHING YOU SPEW IS UTTER FAIL

Minato couldnt I REPEAT, COULDNT
let kurama be revived without a jinjuriki so quit crying and realize the truth

LOL THE BOLD IS WHAT IVE BEEN SAYING SIMPLETON. Minato didnt want to lose his family, he'd rather die saving them. Obito knew this and so he exploited the good ol' heart of minato thus leading to his DEMISE .....

14 year old obito outsmarted an adult minato

[TobisPawn]

Hashirama would probably beat Hiruzen and Minato at the same time.

[iSpeak the Truth -in detention-]

WRONG B**** SUCK IT AND GO CRY IN A CORNER BECAUSE EVERYTHING YOU SPEW IS UTTER FAIL

Minato couldnt
let kurama be revived without a jinjuriki so quit crying and realize the truth

LOL THE BOLD IS WHAT IVE BEEN SAYING SIMPLETON. Minato didnt want to lose his family, he'd rather die saving them. Obito knew this and so he exploited the good ol' heart of minato thus leading to his DEMISE .....

14 year old obito outsmarted an adult minato

His plan was to exploit his heart and he knew Minato would kill himself?! So Obito knew that Minato couldn't live without Kushina and he'd kill himself?

lol

Before or after Obito "predicted" he'd get his as$ handed to him while trying to kill Minato?

Now who's spouting bullsh!t?!

I'm glad you proved to me that you have no sound argument left in you, except for this utter garbage. GG no Re

[FizzyDrink]

lol......
WRONG B**** SUCK IT AND GO CRY IN A CORNER BECAUSE EVERYTHING YOU SPEW IS UTTER FAIL

Minato couldnt I REPEAT, COULDNT
let kurama be revived without a jinjuriki so quit crying and realize the truth

LOL THE BOLD IS WHAT IVE BEEN SAYING SIMPLETON. Minato didnt want to lose his family, he'd rather die saving them. Obito knew this and so he exploited the good ol' heart of minato thus leading to his DEMISE .....

14 year old obito outsmarted an adult minato

I wouldn't necessarily call that outsmarting...He took advantage of a positive quality that Minato has, namely, his love for his family. Love is certainly a weakness, and sure it's intelligent to take advantage of it, but just because Minato loves his family doesn't mean Obito is smarter than him for taking advantage of that. In a fair battle, where Obito does not have Minato's family to hold over his head, Minato in my opinion would defeat Obito, as we saw in their short battle, before Obito went back to exploiting Minato's love.


As to the thread itself, I do not agree simply because there is no proof that Hashirama wasn't a genius himself. In fact, I would say he kind of has to be. He was a great leader, an amazing ninja, and created an entire village through diplomacy. Hashirama I believe was also incredibly intelligent, on top of being crazy powerful.

[iSpeak the Truth -in detention-]

I wouldn't necessarily call that outsmarting...He took advantage of a positive quality that Minato has, namely, his love for his family. Love is certainly a weakness, and sure it's intelligent to take advantage of it, but just because Minato loves his family doesn't mean Obito is smarter than him for taking advantage of that. In a fair battle, where Obito does not have Minato's family to hold over his head, Minato in my opinion would defeat Obito, as we saw in their short battle, before Obito went back to exploiting Minato's love.

No bro, he means Obito was counting on Minato sacrificing himself with Shiki Fuujin which is complete non sense. He has abandoned all facts and logic and is just spouting garbage now.

[Draphsin]

His plan was to exploit his heart and he knew Minato would kill himself?! So Obito knew that Minato couldn't live without Kushina and he'd kill himself?

lol

Before or after Obito "predicted" he'd get his as$ handed to him while trying to kill Minato?

Now who's spouting bullsh!t?!

I'm glad you proved to me that you have no sound argument left in you, except for this utter garbage. GG no Re

looooool. Obito predicting that minato would kill himself isnt much different than your "naruto is minato's plan" argument but that's not my point. Point is he knew he wasnt a match for minato battlewise, so he had to be cunning, and taking a mans infant child and wife couldnt be more cunning.
LMFAO your actually trying to turn your arguments against me? what a fail....obito didnt predict anything genius. He knew minato would save his family over going after him, this is obvious, & there was no predicting involved. Of course plans dont always go accordingly but thats why you have a trump card, (& obito's was kurama). Face facts, you look like youre wearing thin

[FizzyDrink]

No bro, he means Obito was counting on Minato sacrificing himself with Shiki Fuujin which is complete non sense. He has abandoned all facts and logic and is just spouting garbage now.

It's impossible to predict that Minato would die sealing part of the Fox in Naruto. Minato in fact could have survived and continued to raise Naruto if he had so chosen. The entire situation was circumstantial.

Why did Obito attack the Leaf again? Wasn't it to take control of the 9 tails? Because if that was the case, then he certainly didn't outsmart Minato, it would be the other way around. Minato managed to keep the 9 tails out of Obito's hands, all due to his own quick thinking. Sure, it ended in his death, but Obito did not go to the Leaf to kill Minato, he went for Kurama. So he failed, and in no way "outsmarted" Minato.

[Draphsin]

No bro, he means Obito was counting on Minato sacrificing himself with Shiki Fuujin which is complete non sense. He has abandoned all facts and logic and is just spouting garbage now.

no i didnt, where did i say that you retard...? please go get your glasses fixed

[Draphsin]

It's impossible to predict that Minato would die sealing part of the Fox in Naruto. Minato in fact could have survived and continued to raise Naruto if he had so chosen. The entire situation was circumstantial.

Why did Obito attack the Leaf again? Wasn't it to take control of the 9 tails? Because if that was the case, then he certainly didn't outsmart Minato, it would be the other way around. Minato managed to keep the 9 tails out of Obito's hands, all due to his own quick thinking. Sure, it ended in his death, but Obito did not go to the Leaf to kill Minato, he went for Kurama. So he failed, and in no way "outsmarted" Minato.

If minato was smarter than obito then he wouldve found a way to save his family and still deal with obito, However his emotions got in the way. Now as for obito, he had multiple motives for attacking the leaf (to kill minato, [yes this was part of his plan] to damage the leaf in terms of military power, and last but not least, to instigate the uchiha clan massacre)