Brains over Brawn. The truly strong, Minato and Hiruzen!

[AceOfAll]

Minato would have never tooken on the 1st nd the 2nd and ochi at the same time ..Hiruzen wins very high easy diff..Uchiha Inza

yes he could have considering Hiruzen used a jutsu that Minato taught him to defeat the 1st and 2nd

[Cowthulhu45]

That's called a plan for life, and usually people make those by the age of six

Not true. Also, Doorhinge.

[SuperSayin]

lol, going back to your president analogy. If someone is trained to be a super spy and has all the requirements to fully infiltrate the white house, youre going to tell me that that person needs zero intelligence to infiltrate it? That sir...is ignorant. And what i meant by "prepared more" which you still fail to understand is that he was the only formidable ninja within the vacinity of kushina's birth. Where was hiruzen? sitting in his office minding his own business. My point is that minato should have been extremely cautious considering that it was one of the most unstable periods in konoha's history. Also not to mention the birth was so carefree, i mean i understand that its your son whos being born but save the emotions for after everyone is completely safe. His guard was down and obito took advantage of that

Oh and about obito's intentions...do you honestly think that obito would reveal his entire plan to kushina...lol, think about it. If obito is willing to lie in front of someone he wanted to gain the trust of (sasuke) then tell me why he would start being truthful to kushina? he obviously had an ulterior motive. And kurama's attack was a factor in instigating the massacre

I thought you're point was that obito has a greater intelligence than the fourth? If so, then the other guy already proved you wrong.

[SuperSayin]

1st bold is wrong, obito used kurama to instigate the massicre because only uchiha could control a bijuu the way obito did, and no uchiha were present during the attack (busy planning the coup). Could've sworn manga stated it somewhere but i cant remember.

you misunderstand, obito did want minato dead or at least gone
This proves that obito wanted to warp minato away, therefore he wanted to get rid of him. Do you deny this?

lol the 2nd paragraph was me just exaggerating a bit. However your forgetting all the preparation it took obito to do what he did too. IA moron wouldnt be able to sneak into the leaf's most top secret barrier and extract the most powerful bijuu without so much as breaking a sweat. He didnt just walk into konoha and ask his former friend where kurama is kept hiding. Ill admit minato had better battle smarts and reflexive thinking but obito just had him beat, theres no denying that.

last paragraph, okay, you would still needed to get access to the presedents family, and considering all the protection somebody of that status would get, I would 100% disagree and say that it would take a man of incredible genius to sneak through that kind of security undetected.

it wouldn't take a "incredible genius" more like a incredibly skilled guy with months of prep, added in some intelligence.... but you don't have to be a genius to infiltrate high security area, when you have senju cells and kamui haha.

[SuperSayin]

You do overestimate minato a bit though, he would've died regardless on the night of kurama's attack

wait why would he have died? He could've just sealed kurama's chakra in kushina like she suggested and moved on with his life

[SuperSayin]

He died in battle, meaning his enemy was superior. And an enemy can only be better in two ways. In strength (overall ability) or intelligence, and seeing how minato was obviously stronger. The only way he couldve been defeated by obito was through intelligence

he died after he sealed his soul through the RDS and obito didn't personally deliver any fatal blow's to minato, it was kurama (and this was after kurama was off obito's control)

[zeuspater]

thank's you, that's a nice thread, i enjoy it.

[~Supreme Itachi~]

LOL the OP get banned

he deserves it

he flames all other member who do not agree with him HAHAHAHA what a fool

itachi>>>>minato in all ninja terms

I bet he could still read this

HAHAHAHA you fool ispeakthetruth who has no life troll trying to be intelligent in the internet my advice to you is to excel in real life and not on this site

stop sitting on your computer all day long get out of your house and you will find life
you and sasorioftheredsand have no difference HAHAHAHA poor human beings trapped in their world of INTERNET

[Victorelder2k13]

LOL the OP get banned

he deserves it

he flames all other member who do not agree with him HAHAHAHA what a fool

itachi>>>>minato in all ninja terms

I bet he could still read this

HAHAHAHA you fool ispeakthetruth who has no life troll trying to be intelligent in the internet my advice to you is to excel in real life and not on this site

stop sitting on your computer all day long get out of your house and you will find life
you and sasorioftheredsand have no difference HAHAHAHA poor human beings trapped in their world of INTERNET

seriously what was the point of you being an straight up @ss hole just now

[minator93]

LOL the OP get banned

he deserves it

he flames all other member who do not agree with him HAHAHAHA what a fool

itachi>>>>minato in all ninja terms

I bet he could still read this

HAHAHAHA you fool ispeakthetruth who has no life troll trying to be intelligent in the internet my advice to you is to excel in real life and not on this site

stop sitting on your computer all day long get out of your house and you will find life
you and sasorioftheredsand have no difference HAHAHAHA poor human beings trapped in their world of INTERNET

:rofl: He even fails in fanboying :rofl:

[Victorelder2k13]

:rofl: He even fails in fanboying :rofl:

Yea I know

^ this is what I think about that guy

[Thundergod123]

I agree with you, great post bro.

[The Alchemist]

That's called a plan for life, and usually people make those by the age of six

LOL! no they don't that's why some many have no direction even as adults.
I agree with this thread. + Rep

[MickNerks]

I completely agree. And did enjoy the read.

You seem to understand what defines a true shinobi. It is not only OP kkg's or DNA. But it is how intelligent you are to use what you have effectively.

Another example, Naruto and his shadow clones.

Great thread

[sasuke base]

Please read and give me your thoughts.......I know it's long, but it's damn near proper English and worth the read...:o

The two most dangerous Hokage out of the bunch. The tactical geniuses.

Senju's are revered for their strong life force, physical energy and immense chakra. They have more raw power over all, possibly even strength as well.

Hashirama's chakra was the strongest out of them all. So full of life energy that he could photosynthesise plants that he birthed by combining Earth and Water elements of his chakra, on a scale so large, he created forests in an instant. His wounds would heal themselves due to that chakra he possessed. He had a god given ability of supressing the Bijuu with his chakra and controlling them like pets.

Yes, Hashirama has a lot of power and strength. But power and strength alone do not insure victory.

We have already seen an example of that in part 1, old Hiruzen, beaten, humiliated, out of chakra, out of strength and out of stamina, still managed to put the Senju brothers and Orochimaru's arms away with his quick thinking and vast knowledge of jutsu. He performed 2 Forbidden jutsus that day, Kage Bunshin and Shiki Fuujin. He was known for possessing a 1000 and performing them efficiently and masterfully! Old age and depleted chakra reserves were his weaknesses that day. Now, he has none, except for the fact that he is under his own students spell.

Minato.....honesty.....I don't even know where to start, let's just review the Kyuubi incident...

Countered a full Tailed Beast Bomb by the Ninetails with a space time barrier, the likes of which has never been shown in anyone else's arsenal, ever!

Survived being warped by the Kamui.(Which no one has ever done)

Defeated the Kamui and Obito in under 10 seconds and relinquished the Ninetails from his control, further injuring him after fully landing a Rasengan, with a kunai stab and a contract seal in the same move.

Made Obito literally run away after getting praised by him as a true Hokage who deserved his moniker as the Yellow Flash.

Dropped Gamabunta on the Kyuubi and immediately warped himself along with him and his Bijuu Dama to a safe distance away from the village.

Warped his wife and his son to the Kyuubi, put up a full physical barrier to keep outsiders out.

Performed Shiki Fuujin, took away the Yin half of the Kyuubi, poured his own chakra and Kushina's inside Naruto, which would be activated at certain critical moments in Naruto's life.

Sealed Yang half of the Kyuubi in Naruto with the Four Element seal.

Seriously........ I mean, if that's not the most dangerous Hokage ever, then, you're on drugs. I am a Hiruzen fan myself, not that fond of Minato, but his ability, it scares me!

The Senju Hokage have great strength and power, they are the brawn, and they will definitely get the job done with sheer force.

Minato and Hiruzen, their efficiency with jutsu, vast knowledge, and godly intellect will stomp all, guaranteed!

Brains will always overcome brawn.


I know what you all will say, "Madara called Hashirama the strongest shinobi!" "Kabuto said Hashirama's power was considered as just a legend."

People, please......you can't jump to conclusions every time a character in the manga says something(It is not Kishi saying it himself). You must analyse the manga yourself, with your eyes and brain, don't depend on the manga to give you the answers, learn to think!

What Madara said can be rendered useless by this simple example from the manga itself:

When Naruto mastered Sage Mode, Fukasaku said he had surpassed all those who came before him! Let's see, that includes all the Hokage and the Sannin. Is that true?

When Naruto tamed the Ninetails and activated Kyuubi mode, Yamato said he wasn't on the Fourth's level yet.

You people think that Kishi keeps contradicting himself, but Kishi isn't the one saying these words, his characters are!

What each character states is a reflection of that characters own experience.

So when Madara said Hashirama was the strongest, he was speaking from his own experience. Madara hasn't fought any of Konoha's true Hokage's except for Hashirama. So how can you take his opinion for fact and say Kishi contradicted himself? You guys just aren't thinking it through!

Kabuto said Hashirama's power was like a fairy tale, this I agree with, his power was greater than any of the Hokage's. Like I said, he created entire forests, bend the Bijuu to his will. He had great power!

But power doesn't always win the game, Minato is the greatest tactician in the NV, his tactical genius can overcome power of any level! I stand by that statement.

Again, please learn to assess the manga yourself, Kishi has not contradicted himself even once.

didnt read but i think ii know what your talking about just from the title. i personally will stick with hashi being the strongest kage. being the strongest doesnt mean you can beat every not in all cases of course madara is the strongest and can beat everyone. but minato all skill not brute force like hashi. do i think minato can win no. the previouse hokages i believe none of them can beat the first but they lose with mid high to high difficutly.unless more is shown of the other hokage i will srand by my statement of hashi being the strongest hokage

[Meekz89]

That's called a plan for life, and usually people make those by the age of six

But by the age of 20 how many people life turned out the way they plan. Think your a smart ass but really your dumb.

[YellowFang]

Agreed with Minato part, really dangerous man he is...

But I'd rather put Hiruzen in brawn category because I don't think one should place Minato and Hiruzen in the same league of brains...

[jsrhoden]

Kages Intelligence (catergorized)

Hashirama - Leadership Qualities, knowledge of power balances and other villages
Tobirama - Politics, development of the village (Academy, ANBU, Police Force, Chunin Exams).
Hiruzen - Bookworm. Knows all Konoha Jutsu. Probably studied most of the Konoha scrolls (look for Blaze Release's thread)
Minato - Quick thinking, strategic planning, great future insight.
Tsunade - Created the medical ninja system.

I highly doubt that the position of Hokage would be given to ninja who don't have a fairly high degree of intellect. Even if all we've seen from Hashi and Tobirama are large scale jutsu we can assume that these guys are probably pretty smart and not just all muscle.

Also, all four Hokage have come up with revolutionary jutsu. Hashi had his necklace, Tobirama had Edo Tensei, Sarutobi took basic Konoha techniques and made them even more advanced (Shuriken Kage Bunshin), Minato had FTG and Rasengan, and Tsunade has Byakogou. To create justu such as these is a testament to their intelligence and skill. I think it's unfair to label the Senju as guys who simply 'Get the job done'.

[Vexorian]

I suppose I agree with some of the thread, but we've yet to see what Shodaime/Nidaime have to bring out, and we haven't seen much of Hiruzen's arsenal either. Let's just wait and see >.>

[Draphsin]

it wouldn't take a "incredible genius" more like a incredibly skilled guy with months of prep, added in some intelligence.... but you don't have to be a genius to infiltrate high security area, when you have senju cells and kamui haha.

Yeah thats true however it seemed as though security was laughable, especially for an important moment such as that

I thought you're point was that obito has a greater intelligence than the fourth? If so, then the other guy already proved you wrong.

No obito is smarter than minato, thats the only way he couldve killed him. obito's smarter than minato as he's shown more intelligence feats than anyone in the manga.

[New knight48]

Dude i am pretty sure Hashirama is a genius himself. He is not just power and brawn, he was the first hokage for a reason and there must be a reason as to why Madara respects so much.

[khaoz]

great thread and i agree with most of it the haters are just going to have to wait and see what they can do because there will be a battle you can't just bring these four in and just have a little chit chat with sasuke

[oooog]

That's called a plan for life, and usually people make those by the age of six

when i was 6 i wanted to be superman.

[BodyFlicker]

I am agree with you some people are saying tobirama is genious its a nice joke and some people saying shikaku is the biggest tactician its wrong in manga it is clearly stated that Minato is the true genious born in centuries..

[BodyFlicker]

Minato would have never tooken on the 1st nd the 2nd and ochi at the same time ..Hiruzen wins very high easy diff..Uchiha Inza

please think logic, Orochimaru didnot perfect edotensei he control by himself and he didnt knew their true abilities......and iam frankly speaking i didnt like hiruzen ,he is a most hype ninja and he didnt show any big feats but its just my opinion