[Discussion] Abortion

[Pavoneo]

I know what you're saying, but there's always the chance of foster care. There's always the chance that the kid can have a better life. I don't think it's right to take that chance away.

Foster care isn't all that it's made up to sound. I'm sure you heard of abusive foster care, but we're going to pretend foster kids aren't abused, I'll just focus on their situation. I'll just throw some statistics at you really quick about foster care, children spend 3 years in the system on average, and are constantly changing from one foster home to another, children could easily move 20-30 times before being adopted. Roughly 25% of the criminals in prison were once in foster care, almost half of the children in foster care have the ultimate goal of being reunited with their birth parents, most of which never reach their goal. Very scarcely do children who go into the foster care system come out at "okay". Not to mention the psychological emptiness of not being able to meet their parents or being abused/surrounded by drugs. Do you know what kinds of people adopt these children? People who sell them for drugs, making the children usually sex slaves for years. Whether you think living that life or killing them before they're born is your perception, that's fine. I'm just throwing out some food for thought.

[kajiko]

Hard to say. Women have a right to their body, but at the same time, it is murder. It's taking the life of a child before it could truly live. That kid could never watch Naruto with you, or one piece, and it could never learn to ride a bike or get a boy/girlfriend. :/

[rollin]

Foster care isn't all that it's made up to sound. I'm sure you heard of abusive foster care, but we're going to pretend foster kids aren't abused, I'll just focus on their situation. I'll just throw some statistics at you really quick about foster care, children spend 3 years in the system on average, and are constantly changing from one foster home to another, children could easily move 20-30 times before being adopted. Roughly 25% of the criminals in prison were once in foster care, almost half of the children in foster care have the ultimate goal of being reunited with their birth parents, most of which never reach their goal. Very scarcely do children who go into the foster care system come out at "okay". Not to mention the psychological emptiness of not being able to meet their parents or being abused/surrounded by drugs. Do you know what kinds of people adopt these children? People who sell them for drugs, making the children usually sex slaves for years. Whether you think living that life or killing them before they're born is your perception, that's fine. I'm just throwing out some food for thought.

if you had the choice between not being born and foster care which one would you choose?
i personally would want to be born and have a chance at life, that's why it would make me a hypocrite to think abortion is right

[Detective L]

Hard to say. Women have a right to their body, but at the same time, it is murder. It's taking the life of a child before it could truly live. That kid could never watch Naruto with you, or one piece, and it could never learn to ride a bike or get a boy/girlfriend. :/

Yes THIS is what I mean.

[Pavoneo]

if you had the choice between not being born and foster care which one would you choose?
i personally would want to be born and have a chance at life, that's why it would make me a hypocrite to think abortion is right

Good question, a tough one that I'd have to think about for a while before coming to a final decision. Although due to my dark/skewed perception of this place we call earth I wouldn't want to be born, but I won't get into that. So you're asking if you had no prior knowledge of what you were about to be going into in the act of being born, would you do it? I personally feel that if I was brought up in abusive foster care for years, my psychological perception would be extremely bent and I wouldn't be able to truly function in society, making my life miserable because everyday I'd envy something every one of us have and take for granted daily. We have no idea how lucky we all are, it's silly we waste it doing this^^. Obviously that's just my perception.. Kind of a depressing one :\ Forgot to directly answer, I'd have to go with no in the end.

[wargear]

It's been a sad trend here lately to post threads on subjects so irrelevant to what NB is about in the interest of stirring up S**t This one is no exception I'm a man and it's a woman's issue so I'm in no position to make a judgement on whether it's right or not.

[Detective L]

It's been a sad trend here lately to post threads on subjects so irrelevant to what NB is about in the interest of stirring up S**t This one is no exception I'm a man and it's a woman's issue so I'm in no position to make a judgement on whether it's right or not.

But its general discussion? I dont want to start flame war,i want to hear an opinion from the members on a touchy topic..

[rollin]

Good question, a tough one that I'd have to think about for a while before coming to a final decision. Although due to my dark/skewed perception of this place we call earth I wouldn't want to be born, but I won't get into that. So you're asking if you had no prior knowledge of what you were about to be going into in the act of being born, would you do it? I personally feel that if I was brought up in abusive foster care for years, my psychological perception would be extremely bent and I wouldn't be able to truly function in society, making my life miserable because everyday I'd envy something every one of us have and take for granted daily. We have no idea how lucky we all are, it's silly we waste it doing this^^. Obviously that's just my perception.. Kind of a depressing one :\ Forgot to directly answer, I'd have to go with no in the end.

but what if you weren't brought up in abusive foster care?
i have a few friends who were adopted into good families and even if i was somehow born into an abusive foster care i would still want to have a chance at life to do something about that instead of not be born at all

[drknght]

Women think that just because the baby is in her uterus, the baby(fetus) belongs to her, just to her. Baby's body is not her body. For the people that don't believe in God, abortion is not much of a deal. We believe that kid will go straight to the heaven, done. However for atheists, murdering these kids is equal to wasting chances for a better future, because this baby may become a scientist that will ease our own lives.

Why don't we just take socialistic thinking and apply it here *spits*. Don't worry if the kid will end up in a better or worse conditions. It may end up better than you think. So, as you can't tell the future, stop saying that it will end up as a drug dealer or whatever you are saying here. Don't worry about it. Just have a kid NOW, and late the fate/God decide whether it will end up as a slum or as a multi-millionaire

[Sourcandy]

You are right about the scenarios but if she was raped and didn't want the baby then she can give the baby to a good home.

excuse me? It looks like you have no empathy whatsoever. Have you thought about the emotional pain that keeping the pregnancy would cause? Not would it only affect the mother put chances are the baby will also suffer from it.

[Detective L]

Women think that just because the baby is in her uterus, the baby(fetus) belongs to her, just to her. Baby's body is not her body. For the people that don't believe in God, abortion is not much of a deal. We believe that kid will go straight to the heaven, done. However for atheists, murdering these kids is equal to wasting chances for a better future, because this baby may become a scientist that will ease our own lives.

Why don't we just take socialistic thinking and apply it here *spits*. Don't worry if the kid will end up in a better or worse conditions. It may end up better than you think. So, as you can't tell the future, stop saying that it will end up as a drug dealer or whatever you are saying here. Don't worry about it. Just have a kid NOW, and late the fate/God decide whether it will end up as a slum or as a multi-millionaire

Nicely said,we cannot predict the future so let the child live he/she might become an important person in the world.

[Shinobi Train]

I'm pro choice...so long as everyone chooses life.

[Pavoneo]

but what if you weren't brought up in abusive foster care?
i have a few friends who were adopted into good families and even if i was somehow born into an abusive foster care i would still want to have a chance at life to do something about that instead of not be born at all

I know where you're coming from. It's hard for me to explain over just a block of text with no emotion behind it, it seems I'm just more easily one to give up on something. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

[Wang]

No one's saying she shouldn't have the choice. The question is, is that choice right or wrong?

The OP questions if it's a woman's right

Do you feel abortion is the right of the mother or murder in an indirect way?

^See

Exactly!

You don't even know what you're asking & you're the OP

[pateuvasiliu]

excuse me? It looks like you have no empathy whatsoever. Have you thought about the emotional pain that keeping the pregnancy would cause? Not would it only affect the mother put chances are the baby will also suffer from it.

With all due respect for the women that go through that - and it is really tragic - the pain of a baby not being born is greater than an unwanted pregnancy.

It's horrible and sick to be raped, but I feel like killing a child is even worse.

[Janin]

A woman should absolutely have the right to make this choice, it's her body

Wang , I couldnt believed you would say this...>_<

Do you feel abortion is the right of the mother or murder in an indirect way?

I am woman. I am A Catholic. But most important of it, I am a HUMAN.


IN my OWN PERSONAL OPINION:

Women, girls , female.-> belonging to any race, family, religion Should not commit this Crime.
Yes, Id do say this. Abortion is a Crime.
The act itself has it's own karma.
As if, the life you've taken away, attracts a negative mantra. ( i sound like a psychic T_T)



SO NO to ABORTION.

[Detective L]

The OP questions if it's a woman's right


^See


You don't even know what you're asking & you're the OP

I didnt state my opinion on the topic.I asked if it was the womans right or murder,he said its her choice right or wrong,abortion or not.I said exactly because its vague,not a real answer for it anyway.Get it

[ψ Imperator ψ]

A woman should absolutely have the right to make this choice, it's her body

not really, the baby is innocent in this matter

its a very difficult question to answer

but my answer is, life is too precious, and nobody should be allowed to take it, not even a mother, but if the mother chooses to do so and for very very good reason, perhaps she will be forgiven in the afterlife

if there is such a thing as afterlife, if not i still stand by my answer, because true rightousness is not based on just faith but Logic as well.

[Wang]

No one's saying she shouldn't have the choice. The question is, is that choice right or wrong?

^He said this

Exactly!

^You replied this...how else is someone supposed to interpret your reply...don't answer this question, it's rhetorical. Nobody talk to me, I quit.

[★-JTØ-]

Its not right,
Killing babies is no different from an Abortion

[BladerItachi]

Hmmm.... reminds me of R.E in school I did.
Well, I can give you Christian views on it cos that's vaguely in my memory where Protestant and Catholics argue but I would say it totally depends on the situation, and it mainly depends on the mother whether wanting that baby to be born or not!!!

[Aim64C]

I am woman. I am A Catholic. But most important of it, I am a HUMAN.

Oh, the fun that could be had with this series of statements at your expense...

I'm a Presbyterian. We'll form a committee to determine what committees need to be formed in order to properly address your concerns.

IN my OWN PERSONAL OPINION:

Women, girls , female.-> belonging to any race, family, religion Should not commit this Crime.
Yes, Id do say this. Abortion is a Crime.

The only way I support making abortion a crime is if it is also mandatory for husband/wife pairs to register for the "Selected Parenthood Service." Families must register for this and any child born to a mother who does not want it will be assigned to a family that has been 'drafted' to take care of it.

The act itself has it's own karma.
As if, the life you've taken away, attracts a negative mantra. ( i sound like a psychic T_T)

Karma isn't a catholic concept. I believe you're speaking with a forked tongue. :P

SO NO to ABORTION.

Honestly, I think it should be between the patient and the doctor.

If the concepts of religious morality are such a beneficial and sensible way to live, then they should not require the legal backing of the government. I have enough faith in the sensibility of my morals that I will pass down to my children that I do not believe it necessary for the government to try and enforce them.

We've tried outlawing abortion, before. It didn't work. Good doctors ended up risking their careers in order to perform the service in a cleanly environment (because the hacks will do it in a back alley with a bicycle spoke or coat hanger). Good doctors were lost because they were caught and lost their license (doctors who could have been doing other work, as well).

I don't LIKE abortion. I do NOT think it is a good idea, and is only an acceptable idea under certain circumstances.

But I also know it is not functional for the government to go about micro-managing the behavior of a population. If a woman must seek an abortion, then we as a society have already failed and the idea that we can somehow pass blame off on that individual is just pathetic.

[Loki Helcast]

its your own faults most of the time but not always like rape

[★Alpha M]

I think it's wrong. Unless the reasons are really good, like rape...

[AnimusOra]

It isnt right in reality everyone should put themselves in perspective. You are alive so why does that child deserve to die?