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    Re: Deidara's Fighting style counters Minato's?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bogard View Post
    Sure, they gave it to Kushina's chain in the anime, but i still find it illogical that Minato is the one saying he will put a barrier and in the end they give it to Kushina? Why did Minato say it that then? The way i see it, the chains and the barrier are 2different jutsus. It's not as if it was the first time we see chain techniques and i never saw a chain erecting a barrier. Kushina even used the same chain against Kyubi when SM Naruto was fighting there, and no barrier was present

    But like i've said, it doesn't even matter anyway for our debate since the only thing important is to know that Minato can replicate a similar barrier since he said so
    Meh, Minato was almost out of chakra and occupied with the DDS..he also didn't make any handseals whatsoever which deny's it being his even more. I'd give the technique to him if there was some physical implication that he himself set up that barrier or even if Hiruzen was able to bypass the circumfrence covered by Kushina's chakra chains. I find it hard to believe it was minato's tech, but it's up to you to believe what you want.

    Even though he said so, there's no evidence he can do so. Thats hype...our discussion is based on feats being that it's a hypothetical situation pitting each party's techniques against one another.
     
         
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    Re: Deidara's Fighting style counters Minato's?

    Sasuke nearly blitzed deidara and minato is faster than him. Deidara doesn't get off the ground and if he does minato can throw kunai and ftg away from explosions. In between ftging to avoid explosions he can make use of his base speed and run to places with out kunai and mark them with his hand seals. Deidara will tire of missing and expending chakra so he will proceed to Garuda. Minato is smart. So I think he'll know that the guy who does nothing but use explosives was using a tricky explosive so he would teleport away to a pre planted kunai perhaps in konoha before Garuda ruptures then he counts for a few minutes letting deidara search for him in vain. Minato comes back deidara's inferiority complex sets in and he tries to attack a few more times then suicide bombs. Minato uses his seal to teleport the part of the explosion coming at him elsewhere. Minato can win this without even having to attack deidara. Deidara can't keep composure.
     
         

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    Re: Deidara's Fighting style counters Minato's?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThomasJeffersonwasasadist View Post
    Sasuke nearly blitzed deidara and minato is faster than him. Deidara doesn't get off the ground and if he does minato can throw kunai and ftg away from explosions. In between ftging to avoid explosions he can make use of his base speed and run to places with out kunai and mark them with his hand seals. Deidara will tire of missing and expending chakra so he will proceed to Garuda. Minato is smart. So I think he'll know that the guy who does nothing but use explosives was using a tricky explosive so he would teleport away to a pre planted kunai perhaps in konoha before Garuda ruptures then he counts for a few minutes letting deidara search for him in vain. Minato comes back deidara's inferiority complex sets in and he tries to attack a few more times then suicide bombs. Minato uses his seal to teleport the part of the explosion coming at him elsewhere. Minato can win this without even having to attack deidara. Deidara can't keep composure.
    you underestiamte his refelxs. Sasuke isnt faster than Gai and Deidara was able to escape from his team after beign this close...
     
         

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    Re: Deidara's Fighting style counters Minato's?

    Quote Originally Posted by Volk View Post
    Either I'm underestimating Deidara's speed or your overestimating it. Minato should be able to attack before Deidara forms his bird to fly away. Unless Deidara is given more time to prepare his attacks.
    not to be bias, but I think you're underestimaing his speed. Also, most of the time he's already on his bird
     
         

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    Re: Deidara's Fighting style counters Minato's?

    If Minato can avoid turning it into a long rage combat he'd win for sure.

    but knowing Deidara. He'd have the upper hand.

    Deidara is good at surveying, he'd survey the area first to choose where he'd fight minato as minato would have to chase him cause he's flying.


    If minato were to turn it into his advantage. he'd look for an area where Deidara would struggle flying or take advantage of his birds.

    other than that, Deidara would most likely win and Minato would have to retreat or wait for another opportunity.
     
         

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    Re: Deidara's Fighting style counters Minato's?

    Food Carter would take him out of the sky instantaneously. He also can incredibly summons that can do incredible damage not to mention, i doubt he could get out of reach of them.

    Ma & Paa... also have the option to use sound genjutsu on him. Minato can easily place a marker on the toad's and get them to jump close enough to him, then appear and rasengan him to the face.

    There are many options that he can use....
     
         

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    Re: Deidara's Fighting style counters Minato's?

    The figh depends entirely on whether deidara gets a sneak attack. if he can start with a c4, He wins negative diff.Otherwise, minato can tele away from a C4, but i dont think he can get to deidara.
     
         

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    Re: Deidara's Fighting style counters Minato's?

    Quote Originally Posted by YellowFlash1 View Post
    Food Carter would take him out of the sky instantaneously. He also can incredibly summons that can do incredible damage not to mention, i doubt he could get out of reach of them.

    Ma & Paa... also have the option to use sound genjutsu on him. Minato can easily place a marker on the toad's and get them to jump close enough to him, then appear and rasengan him to the face.

    There are many options that he can use....

    Minato has only shown one summon, ma & pa are reaching!
     
         

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    Re: Deidara's Fighting style counters Minato's?

    Quote Originally Posted by blazekev90 View Post
    Minato has only shown one summon, ma & pa are reaching!
    He can summon all toads coz Kishi said so..The contract with bunta is a contract with all toads..
     
         

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    Re: Deidara's Fighting style counters Minato's?

    Quote Originally Posted by blazekev90 View Post
    Minato has only shown one summon, ma & pa are reaching!
    he has shown two and also





     
         

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    Re: Deidara's Fighting style counters Minato's?

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    He can summon all toads coz Kishi said so..The contract with bunta is a contract with all toads..
    Yes, I've seen this before, but I also noticed it was also directed towards Naurto himself. Therefore, I've ignored this claim.
     
         

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    Re: Deidara's Fighting style counters Minato's?

    Quote Originally Posted by blazekev90 View Post
    Yes, I've seen this before, but I also noticed it was also directed towards Naurto himself. Therefore, I've ignored this claim.
    They have the same contract so it's applicable to all toad summoners..
     
         

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    Re: Deidara's Fighting style counters Minato's?

    Gamabunta uses a suiton on Deidara which soaks the clay dragon and he comes crashing down.
     
         

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    Re: Deidara's Fighting style counters Minato's?

    Quote Originally Posted by ajpn920 View Post
    They have the same contract so it's applicable to all toad summoners..
    Ok, I'll go along with that. Than what?? He summons a big toad, maybe even two...than? How does this ultimately lead to Deidara falling from the sky and how would he fail to easily hit them with a bomb?

    Keep in mind the chakra requirement of summoning toads, Minato doesn't have SM.
     
         

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    Re: Deidara's Fighting style counters Minato's?

    Quote Originally Posted by blazekev90 View Post
    Ok, I'll go along with that. Than what?? He summons a big toad, maybe even two...than? How does this ultimately lead to Deidara falling from the sky and how would he fail to easily hit them with a bomb?

    Keep in mind the chakra requirement of summoning toads, Minato doesn't have SM.
    Summoning toads does not necessarily requires SM. If you can remember during part 1, naruto needed kuramas chakra to summon bunta and it was said that Minato first summon bunta during his youth. You can see that he has large chakra supply.

    With regards to deidara fight, if the only reason is how he can reach him then he has the food cart destroyer which is a summoning tech and we know that summoning tech is a space time ninjutsu. He can always close the gap no matter how far Deidara is.
     
         

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    Re: Deidara's Fighting style counters Minato's?

    I do agree with you that Diedara has the advantage being a mid or long range fighter, but he is also quick to judge, arrogant, and misses a lot of things going on because he is so focused on his retarded idea of art!

    This being said, Minato is Smarter, calm, collected, able to think in any situation, and his S/T Ninjutsu give him the advantage of being anywhere on the battle field in an instant(As long as there is a seal somewhere).

    All he would have to do is get a seal on diedara and he would have the advantage, that wouldn't be easy considering how dangerous his clay explosions are!

    But I doubt he would have to run or retreat, Minato would figure out Diedara's weakness and cause him to lose his cool even more and miss some key things going on in the battle.
     
         

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    Re: Deidara's Fighting style counters Minato's?

    Quote Originally Posted by sulanis View Post
    I do agree with you that Diedara has the advantage being a mid or long range fighter, but he is also quick to judge, arrogant, and misses a lot of things going on because he is so focused on his retarded idea of art!

    This being said, Minato is Smarter, calm, collected, able to think in any situation, and his S/T Ninjutsu give him the advantage of being anywhere on the battle field in an instant(As long as there is a seal somewhere).

    All he would have to do is get a seal on diedara and he would have the advantage, that wouldn't be easy considering how dangerous his clay explosions are!

    But I doubt he would have to run or retreat, Minato would figure out Diedara's weakness and cause him to lose his cool even more and miss some key things going on in the battle.
    Where did you get that impression, if Deidara really like as you said, he could not have captured Gaara, also he could not escape Kakshi's Kamui as well as team guy, and also remember he gave Sasuke a hard time, Sasuke couldn't have survived without manda(at that time). I don't know why ppl keep saying he is dumb, retard, etc..
     
         

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    Re: Deidara's Fighting style counters Minato's?

    Quote Originally Posted by ajpn920 View Post
    Summoning toads does not necessarily requires SM. If you can remember during part 1, naruto needed kuramas chakra to summon bunta and it was said that Minato first summon bunta during his youth. You can see that he has large chakra supply.

    With regards to deidara fight, if the only reason is how he can reach him then he has the food cart destroyer which is a summoning tech and we know that summoning tech is a space time ninjutsu. He can always close the gap no matter how far Deidara is.
    I misunderstand, I wasn't saying you need SM to summon, I was pointing out those who have summoned families had SM, granting them chakra. Minato's chakra reserve being large debatable, as shown against Tobi. Also, toad sizes matter in summoning.

    Now, cart destroyer, yes it is a simple summoning. Whether how it is used depends on Minato. If he was to use it like he did against the Kyuubi, this wouldn't be as effective.deidara flies the same high or higher. Therefore, the toad would have to fall from above dice it's target is so small in comparison. Now, while so high up (can't supply a link on phone) Deidara has the time to react, by dodging or making that bird itself an explosive against the toad.

    (I get off work at 3, I'll clear this up Bette than)
     
         

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    Re: Deidara's Fighting style counters Minato's?

    Quote Originally Posted by blazekev90 View Post
    I misunderstand, I wasn't saying you need SM to summon, I was pointing out those who have summoned families had SM, granting them chakra. Minato's chakra reserve being large debatable, as shown against Tobi. Also, toad sizes matter in summoning.

    Now, cart destroyer, yes it is a simple summoning. Whether how it is used depends on Minato. If he was to use it like he did against the Kyuubi, this wouldn't be as effective.deidara flies the same high or higher. Therefore, the toad would have to fall from above dice it's target is so small in comparison. Now, while so high up (can't supply a link on phone) Deidara has the time to react, by dodging or making that bird itself an explosive against the toad.

    (I get off work at 3, I'll clear this up Bette than)
    The problem is he's not expecting something to fall from above when he's up there. FCD is a surprise attack because it falls above the target in an instant. He won't be expecting an attack from above not when the opponent is several meters below him. Granting he was able to notice it, how close is Minato now? Is he going to mold his bombs and make hand seals or avoid the attack?
     
         

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    Re: Deidara's Fighting style counters Minato's?

    Those who think that Minato can't achieve heights during battle are highly mistaken. YellowFlash1 has already mentioned some, I'll add one.

    Minato can through a Kunai in air then FTGv2 to the moving kunai then again through the Kunai to a higher altitude and repeat the process

    Kinda like Naruto did with is clones.
     
         

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