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    Re: Prime Hurizen?

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    Re: Prime Hurizen?

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    It always works. Saying it doesn't work is a excuse. Which has been used over and over. ;].
    Quote Originally Posted by SageModeV2 View Post
    If Dan knew that Hurizen was the strongest then he would of said Hashirama and Hurizen can only stop madara but he didnt. :drive:
    Muu said onoki was the only one who could defeat him. Yet we know that that wasnt true. So both of your logics were flawed. And Dan wasnt around during hashirama and tobirama's time, so the only thing he knows about them is the legend surrounding them. That is why he said ONLY hashirama. Because legend says that hashirama was the only one during their time who could beat madara. But obviouly edo madara was far stronger than the hashirama of their time.

    Which makes his point invalid.
     
         

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    The fact that there is a new chap will make you look like a fool.
    i am aware that there is gonna be a new chapter? thank you Captain Obvious. What will the new chapter show us that will make me look stupid? cmon tell me :drive:
     
         

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    Re: Prime Hurizen?

    Quote Originally Posted by MickNerks View Post
    Muu said onoki was the only one who could defeat him. Yet we know that that wasnt true. So both of your logics were flawed. And Dan wasnt around during hashirama and tobirama's time, so the only thing he knows about them is the legend surrounding them. That is why he said ONLY hashirama. Because ledgend says that hashirama was the only one during their time who could beat madara. But obviouly edo madara was far stronger than the hashirama of their time.

    Which makes his point invalid.
    But iruka's Statement is valid? When he is the lowest fodder in konoha?
     
         

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    Re: Prime Hurizen?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kages View Post
    Agree, we can't judge his power because prime Hiruzen has only been hyped a few times. Old Hiruzen has been hyped more though. I'm sure Hiruzen is on terms (if not stronger) than Hashirama though. You made this thread on purpose
    For Hiruzen to be even on par with Hashirama, he'd have to make the Five Kage's combined efforts look like nothing, and be above the likes of DSM Kabuto. Which he doesn't, and which he isn't.
     
         

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    Re: Prime Hurizen?

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    8th gate guy > Bee.
     
         

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    Re: Prime Hurizen?

    A>B>C logic does not work but w/e

    Let's compare nicknames:

    Hiruzen - God of Shinobi
    Hashirama - Hashirama of the Forest

    Now which one sounds stronger

    #trollin
     
         

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    Re: Prime Hurizen?

    Quote Originally Posted by SageModeV2 View Post
    But iruka's Statement is valid? When he is the lowest fodder in konoha?
    It wasnt just iruka.

    It was also orochimaru himself. And orochimaru knows EVERYTHING about EVERYTHING, so the fact that he refrenced him as the god of shinobi and gave credit to his knowledge of every jutsu that exist in the leaf is saying something. To deny the words of orochimaru is basically like denying the words of kishi himself.
     
         

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    Re: Prime Hurizen?

    Quote Originally Posted by Omnipotent View Post
    For Hiruzen to be even on par with Hashirama, he'd have to make the Five Kage's combined efforts look like nothing, and be above the likes of DSM Kabuto. Which he doesn't, and which he isn't.
    Proof that the power scaling is the only thing that made hiruzen look weaker than what he actually is.

    If the 5 kages were to fight prime orochimara, edo hashirama, and edo tobirama they would get fodderized again.
    Yet, Hiruzen not only held his own against them, but he also stopped them.


    Now if you would have put that fight in part 2, everyone knows the fight would have looked more epic and gave hiruzen more credit than the art work of part 1 gave him.

    Quote Originally Posted by Meido View Post
    A>B>C logic does not work but w/e

    Let's compare nicknames:

    Hiruzen - God of Shinobi
    Hashirama - Hashirama of the Forest

    Now which one sounds stronger

    #trollin
    EXACTLY!!!!
     
         

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    Re: Prime Hurizen?

    Quote Originally Posted by MickNerks View Post
    It wasnt just iruka.

    It was also orochimaru himself. And orochimaru knows EVERYTHING about EVERYTHING, so the fact that he refrenced him as the god of shinobi and gave credit to his knowledge of every jutsu that exist in the leaf is saying something. To deny the words of orochimaru is basically like denying the words of kishi himself.
    orochimaru stated that you also who hailed as the god of shinobi couldnt even defeat old age meaning that Orochimaru stated what people call him the god of shinobi. Orochimaru didnt Call him the god of shinobi himself.
     
         

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    Re: Prime Hurizen?

    Quote Originally Posted by SageModeV2 View Post
    orochimaru stated that you also who hailed as the god of shinobi couldnt even defeat old age meaning that Orochimaru stated what people call him the god of shinobi. Orochimaru didnt Call him the god of shinobi himself.
    What you just said was non-sense, because you would have to apply the same reasoning to hashirama being said to have fairytale-like powers. Kabuto said that PEOPLE said hashirama WAS SAID to have powers that were considered a fairy-tale. But kabuto didnt consider his powers a fairy tale himself. All those people could have been fodder, so that statement isnt valid.





    Thats basically what you are trying to say. Your wrong!!
     
         

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    Re: Prime Hurizen?

    Quote Originally Posted by MickNerks View Post
    What you just said was non-sense, because you would have to apply the same reasoning to hashirama being said to have fairytale-like powers. Kabuto said that PEOPLE said hashirama WAS SAID to have powers that were considered a fairy-tale. But kabuto didnt consider his powers a fairy tale himself. All those people could have been fodder, so that statement isnt valid.





    Thats basically what you are trying to say. Your wrong!!
    nah. kabuto knew hashirama was the strongest. oro just heard a rumor.
     
         

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    Re: Prime Hurizen?

    Quote Originally Posted by SageModeV2 View Post
    nah. kabuto knew hashirama was the strongest. oro just heard a rumor.
    Any proof? No

    Kabuto never saw Hashirama in his prime but Oro saw Hiruzen in prime time :drive:
     
         

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    Re: Prime Hurizen?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kages View Post
    Any proof? No

    Kabuto never saw Hashirama in his prime but Oro saw Hiruzen in prime time :drive:
    oro saw hurizen in his prime but he didnt give him the props as the god of shinobi. :drive:.
    Oro just said " He who was called the god of shinobi cannot even defeat old age". he didnt say "You as the god of shinboi blah blah blah"
    :drive: If oro cant give him props then we know prime hurizen is a faster fodder then old man hurizen :drive:
     
         

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    Re: Prime Hurizen?

    Quote Originally Posted by SageModeV2 View Post
    nah. kabuto knew hashirama was the strongest. oro just heard a rumor.
    Kabuto never made a statement claiming that he knew, he only spoke on other peoples opinions. Iruka, Orochimaru, and kabuto all stated that hiruzen "was hailed", "has a reputation", and "was said" to be the strongest hokage and the "god of all shinobi"

    To help you with key vocabulary words:

    "Hailed" , means to acclaim;

    Acclaim means: 1. To praise enthusiastically and often publicly; applaud.
    2. To acknowledge or declare with enthusiastic approval: She was acclaimed person of the year.

    So hiruzen was praised, , or declared the "god of shinobi" publicly. So everyone knew of his title.


    "Reputation", means a favorable and publicly recognized name or standing for merit, achievement, reliability, etc.

    With means hiruzen had merit or achievement of being the strongest of the 5 kage during his reign.











    Orochimaru and Kabuto both acknowledged hiruzens status as very powerful.

    The ONLY reason orochimaru said "He who WAS hailed", is because hiruzen was hailed as a god in his prime. Hiruzen was far from his prime when he fought orochimaru, so it's only right for him to speak of him in past tense. But it was still orochimaru speaking on his past praise non-the-less.
     
         
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    Re: Prime Hurizen?

    Faster, physically stronger and with much more stamina due to being younger which would allow for many more of the jutsu he was hyped to know. For all we know he had some kind of sage mode I wouldn't put it past him. Keep in mind it was said in his old age hiruzen was the strongest kage. Don't forget about that.
     
         

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    Re: Prime Hurizen?

    Quote Originally Posted by lIlIlIl View Post
    really how old are you, i used hashimara as an example
    HURIZEN and HASHIMARA?? Damn I've been reading a different manga I guess...

    Next to that all.. Minato>Hiruzen... why else would he made Minato the 4th... and later became Hokage again??
     
         

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    Re: Prime Hurizen?

    Quote Originally Posted by SageModeV2 View Post
    8th gate guy > Bee.

    You know what's funny? Shodai was just called the God of shinobi multiple times in the latest chapter... So guess hiruzen fanboys can go weep in the corner. Shodai IS the strongest hokage, no denying it now.
     
         

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    Re: Prime Hurizen?

    Manga was retconned...
     
         

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    Re: Prime Hurizen?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kages View Post
    Guy> Kisame
    Kisame> Bee
    So Guy> Bee
    Too bad Killer Bee > Kisame... lmao.

    And too bad Kisame = Guy.

    Your comparing 2 different Kisames.

    1 with samehada , full power.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MickNerks View Post
    Muu said onoki was the only one who could defeat him. Yet we know that that wasnt true. So both of your logics were flawed. And Dan wasnt around during hashirama and tobirama's time, so the only thing he knows about them is the legend surrounding them. That is why he said ONLY hashirama. Because legend says that hashirama was the only one during their time who could beat madara. But obviouly edo madara was far stronger than the hashirama of their time.

    Which makes his point invalid.
    Muu was talking about one the field.... lmao. Onoki was the only one who could have taken him on during that time on the battlefield. Gaara had no chance. =]. Maybe you should try making logic out of statements mate.

    You make no freaking sense. The reason we Hashirama supporters mention Dan's statement is because you Hiruzen fans seem to think since he was called the "God of shinobi" he can defeat Hashirama. YET, a jounin from Saurotobi's prime with his statement proves, that Hiruzen's hype was less then the Status of Hashirama and Madara's power. Its simple as that. Actually, the legend says noone could beat Hashirama.. not the way you said it. And also, Edo Madara is stronger then the Sage also in "Power". But in a battle you cannot say Edo Madara > Hashirama, while the character himself keeps saying over and over , that Hashirama is capable of stopping him. This is why you fans fail to see the truth , and bash on Hashirama supporters.
     
         

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    Re: Prime Hurizen?

    Quote Originally Posted by SageModeV2 View Post
    he Knows all the fodder jutsu's like kakashi knows 1000 jutsu's.
    He knows all forms of sexy jutsu. Hiruzen is clearly a player.
     
         

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    Re: Prime Hurizen?

    This is actually an opportune time to find out their rankings. They are all edo tenseis now, so they all have equal chakra and all that stuff. If they were to fight now, it would be purely skills versus skills
     
         

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    Re: Prime Hurizen?

    Quote Originally Posted by jonsnow1991 View Post
    This is actually an opportune time to find out their rankings. They are all edo tenseis now, so they all have equal chakra and all that stuff. If they were to fight now, it would be purely skills versus skills
    we will never know unless kishi says it out loud

    cus edo doesn't revive u in ur prime it revives u the way u were when u died so hiruzen still has low chakra reserves and he isn't as stronge nor as fast as his prime :/ so untill kishi says it again since the argument is kishi changed his mind we wont know for sure
     
         

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    Re: Prime Hurizen?

    Yeah I think he is too unknown at this point to make a comparison. We don't even know if his hype has been retecon'd or not
     
         

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    The first is "the god of shinobi"
     
         

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