Kishi ruining the chronology on a whim

[★Horus]

In the earlier episodes of the manga, there was no picture of Tsunade with her grandfather, it was in the anime, but i always knew she knew him, because he gave her the necklace. But this Chapter makes their relationship clear

[Huang]

So it never happened in other words.

She inherited the necklace from him, but it never before said they met... this creates an annoying timeline anomoly.

No, in other words, you're ignorant. Read the arc, and stop asking stupid questions everybody already knows the awnser to..

If you think I'm just gonna pull a chapter- and page number out of my ass, you're gonna be sadly dissapointed.

[ItachiStyle]

In other words it never happened in the manga, and since the anime is not cannon, this represents an effective timeline error/rewrite.

[Huang]

In other words it never happened in the manga, and since the anime is not cannon, this represents an effective timeline error/rewrite.

Actually, I'm talking about the manga... you know, that thing you never read?

[ItachiStyle]

Show me the page number. I don't remember any scan of Hashi and Tsunade together.

[Lady Luck]

Tsunade is like 55

[Kirin Rei]

Tobirama was Hokage for years after his brother (and remember, Saru was still a boy when the 1st was around), and when Saru takes on the Gennin Sannin (who graduated from academy at age 6) he is an adult with a goatee. It doesn't fit the timeline.

What doesn't fit?
Hiruzen could very well be in his teens when Hashi passed and Tobirama became the next Hokage.
How do we know how long Tobirama stayed as Hokage? The lenght of his service has never been mentioned.

It's a tight fit, I'll give you that. But there's no problem with the timeline. :shrug:

[TurrinB]

He already ruined that a long time ago.

[Sarahmint]

Nothing killed chronology more then chapter 599

[ItachiStyle]

Hashirama didn't recognise Saru, and the last we saw of them together Saru was still a kid.

Tobirama was Hokage long enough to get his face carved on the mountain, set up the police force (and have a prison and police station built), lead his country to war, travel to the cloud to sign a peace agreement, recover from his injuries, return to Konoha, continue training Saru, and appoint Saru Hokage when he looks to be (at least) slightly older than Naruto is now (late teens probably). Saru then goes from being a teen, to being an adult with a goatee (looking significantly older), and has since had his (bearded face) carved onto the mountain. This Saru trains Tsunade from age 6 as far as we know (since that's when the Sannin graduated from the academy). It's more than a tight fit... Tsunade looks at least 3-4 in that image of Hashi remembering her... it's impossible to fit all that stuff in that timeline.

[6PathsofKami]

Hey the first did give her a gift of a necklace

This, and you do remember that shes just using a jutsu to look young right?

[Chatte]

Hashirama didn't recognise Saru, and the last we saw of them together Saru was still a kid.

Tobirama was Hokage long enough to get his face carved on the mountain, set up the police force (and have a prison and police station built), lead his country to war, travel to the cloud to sign a peace agreement, recover from his injuries, return to Konoha, continue training Saru, and appoint Saru Hokage when he looks to be (at least) slightly older than Naruto is now (late teens probably). Saru then goes from being a teen, to being an adult with a goatee (looking significantly older), and has since had his (bearded face) carved onto the mountain. This Saru trains Tsunade from age 6 as far as we know (since that's when the Sannin graduated from the academy). It's more than a tight fit... Tsunade looks at least 3-4 in that image of Hashi remembering her... it's impossible to fit all that stuff in that timeline.

Hashirama didn't recognize the 4th, not Sarutobi.
And trust me, all those could be in a year in Narutoverse.
Don't give it much of a thought since it took kishi about 50+ chapters to describe a day.
Tsunade was like 2-3 in that picture.

[ItachiStyle]

I'm pretty sure Tsunade wasn't hiding her age when she was a kid.

And no, they never met (before now) in the manga, despite people claiming they did. That's anime rubbish probably.

[madnumber24]

ah ItachiStyle, still never bowing out when wrong I see lol. oh well you guys might as well give it up, he will argue u to death lol

[ItachiStyle]

I'm wrong? Interesting... see peope said "I must not read the manga", but when called upon to provide the page number (thus proving me wrong, and covering themselves in glory), nobody has stepped forward. Should I be expecting an apology or retraction soon? I won't hold my breath.

[veggetta13]

So it never happened in other words.

She inherited the necklace from him, but it never before said they met... this creates an annoying timeline anomoly.

Every once in a while there´s a thread in which you realize how many of the constant practicers of thread-spamming truly know about a manga (you are supposed to retorically think:-hell yeah!, if not incarnating one of the mentioned).

[ItachiStyle]

Quote me the page where Tsunade is said to have met Hashirama before now.

[Lightning Release]

Failed thread lololol.

[veggetta13]

Quote me the page where Tsunade is said to have met Hashirama before now.

very well, you quote, just the same, the chapter and page on which Jiraiya and Itachi meet.

Do you agree?




In this one, you see she relates herself to the 1st Hokage, Hashirama.



I hope you are aware that Kishi does supervise the anime, he speaks the sorts of yes´s and no´s needed to run a show

[Sussanoo]

Tsunade was like, 4, when Hashirama died.

[ItachiStyle]

The fact that she knows of them does not mean she knew them personally... Itachi knows of Madara and the times he lived in, and tells us all about it, but it didn't mean he personally knew them. That scan is proof of nothing.

What we have here is a massive timeline f#@$ up by Kishi... there's no way to fit all the stuff in the current timeline now.

[ItachiStyle]

And while they talk to Kishi a little about the anime, they also do lots of stuff that contradicts other things he puts in the Manga, so the idea he's appoving all the filler is silly. For instance, almost as soon as they did the scene involving the Valley of the End fight, Kishi introduced a "Wood Dragon" that flatly contradicts the anime scene. And there are many, many similar examples. Bottom line, this is a timeline screw up.

[IKSOKRIPS]

She was a very little girl, much younger than genin. That leaves an extra half-dozen years

it has shown flash backs of her and the 1st talking when she was a kid in the first part of the manga.

it has already shown tsunade with hashirama in pictures before..
but i see your obvious point..
maybe she was born with that jutsu to make her look younger
and used it in those pictures,lol
but yeah it is disturbing

Naw, when Tsunade first appeared it was shown that HASHIRAMA KNEW TSUNADE THEre was a panel showing them together

Your slow kid they showed flash backs of her in the 1st in part 1 Naruto get your facts up b4 u try and call Kishi out

Exactly. People are always trying to catch Kishi slipping LOL! Yet they always fail, as you have.

In the earlier episodes of the manga, there was no picture of Tsunade with her grandfather, it was in the anime, but i always knew she knew him, because he gave her the necklace. But this Chapter makes their relationship clear

One tincy-wincy little thing. . . . . . THAT WAS ONLY IN THE ANIME. . . . . . :y

OT: Check out my Timeline in my Sig.

[ItachiStyle]

As he says... it was Anime only... otherwise we're still left with a gaping timeline problem.

Remember, Saru was a kid when Hashirama died. He was a teen when Tobirama died. He was an adult with a full on goatee when Tsunade was a genin under him (and she graduated from the Academy at age 6), who had been Hokage long enough to have his Goatee'd face carved into the Mountain. There's literally no way to make her age fit the previous timeline.

Let's charitably assume Tsunade was 3 at the time Hashi died. Then let's assume Tobirama was Hokage only 3 years (enough time to do the stuff he did in theory I suppose). That still leaves Hiruzen a teenager who has to grow some years to become a man, and Tsunade already having graduated to Genin. It just doesn't fit.

[IKSOKRIPS]

As he says... it was Anime only... otherwise we're still left with a gaping timeline problem.

Remember, Saru was a kid when Hashirama died. He was a teen when Tobirama died. He was an adult with a full on goatee when Tsunade was a genin under him (and she graduated from the Academy at age 6), who had been Hokage long enough to have his Goatee'd face carved into the Mountain. There's literally no way to make her age fit the previous timeline.

Let's charitably assume Tsunade was 3 at the time Hashi died. Then let's assume Tobirama was Hokage only 3 years (enough time to do the stuff he did in theory I suppose). That still leaves Hiruzen a teenager who has to grow some years to become a man, and Tsunade already having graduated to Genin. It just doesn't fit.

Hiruzen and the Sannin's ages are known, the only problem for me is Hashirama's death. :shrug: