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    Re: Kishi ruining the chronology on a whim

    It can't fit. Even ignoring the databook ages (as I'm happy enough to), which flatly contradict it, and ignoring the Manga (where Tsunade describes herself as entering her 50's, confirming the databook), we still have a teenage Hiruzen being made Hokage years after Hashirama died (he couldn't even recognise Saru when Edo'd originally), and not teaching the Sannin until he was an adult with a goatee and who had his face carved on the mountain. Frankly he looks more than just a few years older too, which again fits the previous chronology. There's just no way Tsunade's age can fit... she's 6 when Saru starts teaching her, so we're supposed to believe that at most 3 years have passed since:
    - Hashi's death
    - Tobirama's reign as Hokage, including the establishing of the police force, construction of the buildings and jail, etc, development of Konoha organisational structures, chunnin exams, etc, fighting in the wars, travelling to the Cloud for the peace treaty, being badly injured, recovering and travelling back from the cloud, having his face carved on the mountain, finishing Hiruzen's training, going on his final mission.
    - Conclusion of the first ninja war
    - Teen Hiruzen becoming Hokage.
    - Teen Hiruzen growing into an adult, having his face carved on a mountain, growing a goatee.

    That all happened in 3 years? Impossible.

    It's just annoying that a comic worth billions can't be organised enough to get some editors to look over Kishi's work in advance, and make sure he's not making such problematic timeline errors, which annoy fans.
     
         
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    Re: Kishi ruining the chronology on a whim

    Quote Originally Posted by ItachiStyle View Post
    It can't fit. Even ignoring the databook ages (as I'm happy enough to), which flatly contradict it, and ignoring the Manga (where Tsunade describes herself as entering her 50's, confirming the databook), we still have a teenage Hiruzen being made Hokage years after Hashirama died (he couldn't even recognise Saru when Edo'd originally), and not teaching the Sannin until he was an adult with a goatee and who had his face carved on the mountain. Frankly he looks more than just a few years older too, which again fits the previous chronology. There's just no way Tsunade's age can fit... she's 6 when Saru starts teaching her, so we're supposed to believe that at most 3 years have passed since:
    - Hashi's death
    - Tobirama's reign as Hokage, including the establishing of the police force, construction of the buildings and jail, etc, development of Konoha organisational structures, chunnin exams, etc, fighting in the wars, travelling to the Cloud for the peace treaty, being badly injured, recovering and travelling back from the cloud, having his face carved on the mountain, finishing Hiruzen's training, going on his final mission.
    - Conclusion of the first ninja war
    - Teen Hiruzen becoming Hokage.
    - Teen Hiruzen growing into an adult, having his face carved on a mountain, growing a goatee.

    That all happened in 3 years? Impossible.

    It's just annoying that a comic worth billions can't be organised enough to get some editors to look over Kishi's work in advance, and make sure he's not making such problematic timeline errors, which annoy fans.
    So, the only problem you have is that so many things happened in three to four years, not the chronology.
    It has been explained to you a million times yet you still choose to disregard it and stick to the claim that it doesn't fit.

    Konoha was completely rebuilt after the Pein Arc in quite a short time and you're still claiming that a couple of buildings, mountain art, one travel to Kumo, injury and recovery and some political devolopments are too much for four years...
     
         

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    Re: Kishi ruining the chronology on a whim

    Quote Originally Posted by ItachiStyle View Post
    It can't fit. Even ignoring the databook ages (as I'm happy enough to), which flatly contradict it, and ignoring the Manga (where Tsunade describes herself as entering her 50's, confirming the databook), we still have a teenage Hiruzen being made Hokage years after Hashirama died (he couldn't even recognise Saru when Edo'd originally), and not teaching the Sannin until he was an adult with a goatee and who had his face carved on the mountain. Frankly he looks more than just a few years older too, which again fits the previous chronology. There's just no way Tsunade's age can fit... she's 6 when Saru starts teaching her, so we're supposed to believe that at most 3 years have passed since:
    - Hashi's death
    - Tobirama's reign as Hokage, including the establishing of the police force, construction of the buildings and jail, etc, development of Konoha organisational structures, chunnin exams, etc, fighting in the wars, travelling to the Cloud for the peace treaty, being badly injured, recovering and travelling back from the cloud, having his face carved on the mountain, finishing Hiruzen's training, going on his final mission.
    - Conclusion of the first ninja war
    - Teen Hiruzen becoming Hokage.
    - Teen Hiruzen growing into an adult, having his face carved on a mountain, growing a goatee.

    That all happened in 3 years? Impossible.

    It's just annoying that a comic worth billions can't be organised enough to get some editors to look over Kishi's work in advance, and make sure he's not making such problematic timeline errors, which annoy fans.
    This is Hiruzen right after the Sanin became genin. Hiruzen is 18 years older than Tsunade who's 6 at this moment in the timeline. Which makes Hiruzen 24 years old in this pic.
    Tobirama created the academy Tsunade just graduated from in this pic, after becoming Hokage. Meaning Hashirama's already dead in the time of this pic.






    But then there's this pic. This occurs an unknown amount of time after Tsunade graduated from the academy. This is the day Tobirama's reign as Hokage ended.


    Is it just me or does Hiruzen seem younger?

    Maybe he shaved his goatee? I personally think Kishi messed up a bit.
     
         

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    Re: Kishi ruining the chronology on a whim

    Yeah screw it! the hokages are back t'is all that matters
     
         

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    Re: Kishi ruining the chronology on a whim

    to the thread maker ... how old do you think tsunade is in that picture id say 3-4 years old...how old is he now almost 60 ....so yeah i dont see a tmeline mis match here....sorry
     
         

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    Re: Kishi ruining the chronology on a whim

    no proof how long Tobirama was hokage

    no proof when Hashirama died

    early manga chapters showed flashback of Tsunade and Hashirama,

    Hashirama say he teach Tsunade Gambling, then Hashirama teach Tsunade Gambling

    EXCELLENT SUPER GENIUS NUMBER 1 PLOT HOLE FINDER, Y U NO READ MANGA?
     
         

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    Re: Kishi ruining the chronology on a whim


    this was from a very early episode (not shippuuden)
     
         

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    Re: Kishi ruining the chronology on a whim

    Quote Originally Posted by Uchiha Samater View Post
    no proof how long Tobirama was hokage

    no proof when Hashirama died

    early manga chapters showed flashback of Tsunade and Hashirama,

    Hashirama say he teach Tsunade Gambling, then Hashirama teach Tsunade Gambling

    EXCELLENT SUPER GENIUS NUMBER 1 PLOT HOLE FINDER, Y U NO READ MANGA?
    Quote Originally Posted by Imperius View Post

    this was from a very early episode (not shippuuden)
    Which was Anime, which makes it non-canon, until last chapter. :y
     
         

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    Re: Kishi ruining the chronology on a whim

    i hope everyone knows that the anime is based of the manga ...you guys know that right....(yes i know they are fillers which have to be made cuz 3 manga chapters are like one frikin episode).....again does the anime not show anything from the manga ??? yes everything in the manga has been in the anime.
     
         

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    Re: Kishi ruining the chronology on a whim

    Quote Originally Posted by edo tensai wilmaso View Post
    i hope everyone knows that the anime is based of the manga ...you guys know that right....(yes i know they are fillers which have to be made cuz 3 manga chapters are like one frikin episode).....again does the anime not show anything from the manga ??? yes everything in the manga has been in the anime.
    Yup, but think of it like sets in maths.

    The manga is the subset of anime but what we consider canon is solely the manga. So even though the anime has elements from the manga, not everything it contains is canon. Only the elements that are in both the anime and manga sets are considered canon. :shrug:
     
         

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    Re: Kishi ruining the chronology on a whim

    Fact Tsunade is over 55 in age, She sat on Her Grandfathers lap and learn yo bet what so hard to believe? Can't any of you Remember your Grandfather? , I do.
     
         

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    Re: Kishi ruining the chronology on a whim

    It showed tsunade very young. She was probably like 3-5 years old when Hashirama died. This does bring fourth a small timeline problem. Remember the flashback when Hiruzen was appointed 3rd hokage? This is when the second died. Since the second was Hashirama's brother, and died relatively young, it can be assumed that Hashirama hadn't died much more than a few years before Tobirama died. In the flashback Hiruzen is shown to be in his late teens, early twenties. Hiruzen is like 18 years older than tsunade.

    Basically, in order for Tsunade to have known Hashirama, Hiruzen would have had to been in his twenties at least when the second died, and the first had to have died only a few years before the second. This is possible, considering they lived in a time where war was common. I don't think the second reigned for very long after Hashirama died because he died himself only a few years later.
     
         

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    Re: Kishi ruining the chronology on a whim

    This topic is proof that 80% of narutobase is illiterate. it took two and a half pages before someone submitted a response that actually addressed TC's concerns with the timeline. Despite this, about half of the posts after this point were still 'She could have met hashi shes old enough.'

    I think that TC makes a very good point, and a few people have argued the other way, but it annoys me how many people bash TC without ever reading the topic. The scary thought is that they did read it but could not understand what TC so very clearly explained.
     
         

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    Re: Kishi ruining the chronology on a whim

    This whole chronology problem is based on the idea so much could not have happened in such a small time span. As people have pointed out it could have. I don't see a problem.
     
         

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    Re: Kishi ruining the chronology on a whim

    Sarutobi was 69 when Tsunade was 50, that makes him 19 years older than her. Sarutobi was around the same age when he became Hokage. So I guess someone made a mistake...
     
         

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    Re: Kishi ruining the chronology on a whim

    The death of Hashi, the entire reign of Tobirama, and Hiruzen going from teen to adult happened in 3 years??!
     
         

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    Yeah, I really can't comprehend how he could have been alive to meet her. I made a thread saying basically the same thing.
     
         

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    Re: Kishi ruining the chronology on a whim

    It was never stated how far into the age of the village that Hashirama died. Madara could have left a few years after the start of the village and then returned a few years later to attack. That gives plenty of time for Hashi to see his granddaughter Tsunade.
     
         

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    Re: Kishi ruining the chronology on a whim

    Quote Originally Posted by Kirin Rei View Post
    So, the only problem you have is that so many things happened in three to four years, not the chronology.
    It has been explained to you a million times yet you still choose to disregard it and stick to the claim that it doesn't fit.

    Konoha was completely rebuilt after the Pein Arc in quite a short time and you're still claiming that a couple of buildings, mountain art, one travel to Kumo, injury and recovery and some political devolopments are too much for four years...
    Not to mention that the 4th great ninja war is coming to conclusion after a few days.
     
         

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    Re: Kishi ruining the chronology on a whim

    Quote Originally Posted by Q of the Sharingan View Post
    It was never stated how far into the age of the village that Hashirama died. Madara could have left a few years after the start of the village and then returned a few years later to attack. That gives plenty of time for Hashi to see his granddaughter Tsunade.
    Hashirama's age is irrelevant. He was dead when Sarutobi became hokage. And the third became hokage at the age of 19.

    When Sarutobi died he was 69 and Orochimaru, Tnusade and Jirayha were 50. That makes them only 19 years older than Sarutobi. Meaning they were born at most during Tobirama's hokageship. Meaning none of them ever knew Hashirama.
     
         

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    Re: Kishi ruining the chronology on a whim

    Trust me, if you look into the Naruto timeline, you will find A LOT of faulty stuff, things that just aren't possible, chronologically speaking. It's the one thing I hate about Naruto
     
         

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    Re: Kishi ruining the chronology on a whim

    Quote Originally Posted by ItzShowtime View Post
    it has shown flash backs of her and the 1st talking when she was a kid in the first part of the manga.
    This^
     
         

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    Re: Kishi ruining the chronology on a whim

    I don't get what everyone's so butt-hurt about. We knew for a fact that Hashirama lived at least until Tsunade's birth. Now we know he lived until she was at least 4 or 5, that's not much of a difference.
     
         

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    There are alot of plot holes in naruto. Like how naruto seems to be in an old fashioned timeline and yet they have TV. And satelites, since when can ninja's go into space? And another thing they have to use messenger birds to other villages to contact each other, and yet team guy and team 7 were using headphone ear pieces to communicate with each other :sy:
     
         

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    Re: Kishi ruining the chronology on a whim

    Quote Originally Posted by oShux View Post
    There are alot of plot holes in naruto. Like how naruto seems to be in an old fashioned timeline and yet they have TV. And satelites, since when can ninja's go into space? And another thing they have to use messenger birds to other villages to contact each other, and yet team guy and team 7 were using headphone ear pieces to communicate with each other :sy:
    That's not a plothole, that's just Narutoverse, an alternate universe.

    Think of steampunk or cyberpunk or other modern RPG fantasy realities. Steampunk is based on an alternate universe where every technological devolopment has been built on steam rather than electricity after the industrial revolution. Which gives the result of aviation devices and ground travel devices having steam powered engines instead of combustion engines. In steampunk electricity is sometimes used, but not to the extent of reality.

    It's the same in Narutoverse. We don't know how developed the electrical technology they have is, so it doesn't count as a plothole.
     
         

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