Kishi ruining the chronology on a whim

[EliteKakashi]

im pretty sure itatchi was older then 13, he was around 18. obitio didnt attack konoha for a good 3-4 years, so thats wrong too, and yahiko seems a bit off too, but i couldsee how that MAY have been true as he did die young.

No, Itachi was 13 at the time of the massacre. Sasuke was only 8, and was 12-13 in part 1. Itachi was around 18 in part 1.

[Mante]

im pretty sure itatchi was older then 13, he was around 18. obitio didnt attack konoha for a good 3-4 years, so thats wrong too, and yahiko seems a bit off too, but i couldsee how that MAY have been true as he did die young.

1. Uchiha massacre happened when itachi was 13. It's said somewhere, won't bother finding it now.
2. I assumed that Obito stayed with Madara for 1-2 years (1983 to 1984 or 1985, and remember while Obito met Nagato, Yahiko was still alive).
3. I wanted to fit Tsunade's age to timeline, but to be more realistic I put uchiha massacre, obito etc.

[EliteKakashi]

So many posts that don't read the thread...
1) inconsistent with Kishi's earlier given timeline in databooks, etc. This is less of an issue, but
2) it's inconsistent even within the Manga, mainly because of the impossible age dynamic between her and Hiruzen (as was pointed out repeatedly). We're being told a seemingly impossible number of things took place in 3 years...

Another weird timeline/age "mistake"(not really a mistake, I'll explain), is Kakashi being 9 or 10 years old when he was promoted to jounin. How likely is it they'd promote a 9 or 10 year old to jounin in war? I know their forces were depleting, but there were surely better options than a 9 or 10 year old. This became obvious during the Obito flashbacks. This also looks weird because Kakashi seemed to praise the fact(and was afraid of him because of it) that Itachi was ANBU captain at 13. That feat really shouldn't have registered with him given what we know now. Being jounin at 9 or 10 is easily equivalent to, if not surpassing of that feat.

Prodigy/genius or not, a 9-10 year old jounin doesn't make much sense. Sasuke was considered a genius and only graduated the academy at 12. Same goes for Neji. Such a drastic gap between "prodigies".

[Lord of the Kings]

not really a fail but a legendary fail

[Sarutobi Sasuke]

Why do people assume that Tobirama BECAME Hokage AFTER Hashirama died? The current hokage simply has to retire for a new hokage to be appointed. Hiruzen was alive and well when Minato was appointed. The reason I bring this up is, the reign of each hokage is much shorter if they don't serve til death. Which means there's no reason why Tsunade has to be 5 million+ years old for her to have been alive when her grandfather was alive.

From their chat in the latest chapter, all we know is that Tobirama was STILL Hokage WHEN Hashirama died (because Hashi didn't know about the dealings with the Uchiha).

From what I understand, thats exactly what this scan from the First Official Databook is supposed to say. Only problem is...its in Japanese.

Its supposed to confirm that Tobirama became Hokage after the death of Hashirama.
There's a person somewhere here on the base that translates things from time to time. I forgot what the username is.


p.s. If your reading this...Please Help!!

[Honoured path of six]

Where were they shown to know each other?

bleeding ignorance...

[vickmontero]

Why Kishi, why? It was already clear Tsunade couldn't have known the 1st Hokage, based on the timeline. Now, suddenly she did, so we get a funny joke... doesn't he have staff to point this stuff out to him before he does it?

After all, the 1st and 2nd Hokage reigned for a not inconsiderable period, so even if the 1st knew her just before his death, and the 2nd reigned the minimal number of years, she's still too old to be a genin under (adult) Saru, with his beard and such. Annoying.

This is Kishi's story and he does not need to write it to your choice of story. You can write your own story and stop crying over another man's story. Stop being a baby.

[blackstar9]

Ot no need to fight kishi. He says they knew each other than they did.

[SilverfoxUchiha]

Are you forgetting how old and deshrevelled Tsunade looks every time she releases the Seal on her forehead or uses up too much Chakra. She seems much older (visually) than both Jaraiah and Orochimaru (although we have never really seen her face when she's like that; only her crinkly arm and hand).

Point being, she may very well be older than them, regardless of what we believe her age to be.

Kishi knows i guess.... anyway...

Have a GREAT DAY NarutoBase!

[lukasenko]

Transformation jutsu. She was already 50 when she was a genin under Sarutobi. Now's she's 100. Plot-no-jutsu: uzumaki immortality...

WTF does uzumaki have to do here? She has senju heritage... thats why she has a crazy life force.

The thread: well people have already opened other's people's eyes about the timeline. I really don't like it when people act like they know it all, supposedly thinking of the manga at a higher level then Kishi is thinking about it, and then going against the man. Every time that I have heard something criticising kishi concerning a time line mistake, every-time that criticism was wrong.

[ItachiStyle]

I'm in awe at the number of people posting who did not read the thread.

[IKSOKRIPS]

Again, all I can say is. . . . . . . . . my Timeline! :drive:

[fahadkurama]

What's to gain by Pin-pointing Kish's errs? Its a complicated story line. And yeah. Kishi has his reasons!!! :P

[uchihadesendent]

Kishi didn't make a mistake you did ! hashi is tsunades grandfather and in the latest manga he made it obvious that he spent a lot of time with her hence her being a spoiled granddaughter because she was the first, in addition you have to spend quite a bit of time together to pick up someone's bad habits!

[SO7P]

This is Kishi's story and he does not need to write it to your choice of story. You can write your own story and stop crying over another man's story. Stop being a baby.

OMG I LOVE YOUR POST. COULDNT AGREE MORE.
this is kishi's story,he can do whatever he wants. people should stop whining about it =_="
it makes them look stupid.

[Ero sennin jiraiya]

So many posts that don't read the thread...
1) inconsistent with Kishi's earlier given timeline in databooks, etc. This is less of an issue, but
2) it's inconsistent even within the Manga, mainly because of the impossible age dynamic between her and Hiruzen (as was pointed out repeatedly). We're being told a seemingly impossible number of things took place in 3 years...

Dude, your original post for the thread is like three sentences long. Read the 5 pages of posts here and you will see

[EpicBoss HD]

Actually about few chapters ago when Tsunade was fighting Madara she said that she was the 1st Hokage's grandaughter

[IzanamiFan]

Why Kishi, why? It was already clear Tsunade couldn't have known the 1st Hokage, based on the timeline. Now, suddenly she did, so we get a funny joke... doesn't he have staff to point this stuff out to him before he does it?

After all, the 1st and 2nd Hokage reigned for a not inconsiderable period, so even if the 1st knew her just before his death, and the 2nd reigned the minimal number of years, she's still too old to be a genin under (adult) Saru, with his beard and such. Annoying.

We have no idea how long the first reigned for. Remember he is Senju, which is life force and vitality. He could look a lot younger then he is.

[Kirin Rei]

From what I understand, thats exactly what this scan from the First Official Databook is supposed to say. Only problem is...its in Japanese.

Its supposed to confirm that Tobirama became Hokage after the death of Hashirama.
There's a person somewhere here on the base that translates things from time to time. I forgot what the username is.


p.s. If your reading this...Please Help!!

I'm here!

It says; 初代亡き後その 遺 志を 継 いで゛火影゛と呼ばれたのが、初 代の 実 弟である二代目であった。 which roughly translates to:

After Shodai's death, he (Tobirama) carried on Shodai's will and was called ''Hokage''. The younger brother of the Shodai, was the Nidai.

[toviasrepier]

I think its better to take it as it is rather than thinking about the numbers.

:ghehe:

Never use logic in Naruto manga bcoz there is no logic there but troll!!!

[xxSasukEkUnxX]

Why Kishi, why? It was already clear Tsunade couldn't have known the 1st Hokage, based on the timeline. Now, suddenly she did, so we get a funny joke... doesn't he have staff to point this stuff out to him before he does it?

After all, the 1st and 2nd Hokage reigned for a not inconsiderable period, so even if the 1st knew her just before his death, and the 2nd reigned the minimal number of years, she's still too old to be a genin under (adult) Saru, with his beard and such. Annoying.

My theory.
The tsunade we saw in the previous chap was 4.
This is slightly after the hashi/madara fight, Hashi lets down his position to Tobirama
Few years pass, tobirama does everything he does in his era
Tsunade is 10-12 when she is under hiruzen's team.
At this point, Hiruzen is the kage and Tobirama died.
I think I solved this.

[Sarutobi Sasuke]

I'm here!

It says; 初代亡き後その 遺 志を 継 いで゛火影゛と呼ばれたのが、初 代の 実 弟である二代目であった。 which roughly translates to:

After Shodai's death, he (Tobirama) carried on Shodai's will and was called ''Hokage''. The younger brother of the Shodai, was the Nidai.

You...are...a...STAR!!

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This is for everybody that doubted me.

:P

I guess this settles this. There is nothing wrong with the timeline. Everything is explainable.

[Wparker6804]

it has shown flash backs of her and the 1st talking when she was a kid in the first part of the manga.

@ your sig: Ugh!!! WITW!?!?!?

[Rayman1907]

Hashirama didn't recognise Saru, and the last we saw of them together Saru was still a kid.

Tobirama was Hokage long enough to get his face carved on the mountain, set up the police force (and have a prison and police station built), lead his country to war, travel to the cloud to sign a peace agreement, recover from his injuries, return to Konoha, continue training Saru, and appoint Saru Hokage when he looks to be (at least) slightly older than Naruto is now (late teens probably). Saru then goes from being a teen, to being an adult with a goatee (looking significantly older), and has since had his (bearded face) carved onto the mountain. This Saru trains Tsunade from age 6 as far as we know (since that's when the Sannin graduated from the academy). It's more than a tight fit... Tsunade looks at least 3-4 in that image of Hashi remembering her... it's impossible to fit all that stuff in that timeline.

Kage do not train genin........

[sasuke base]

Transformation jutsu. She was already 50 when she was a genin under Sarutobi. Now's she's 100. Plot-no-jutsu: uzumaki immortality...

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