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    Re: Kishi ruining the chronology on a whim

    do you remember tsunade's face when she was under sarutobi , it's the same as that in recent manga may be first hokage lived longer until she made chunin. he might have made tobirama hokage soon after the fight with madara
     
         

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    Re: Kishi ruining the chronology on a whim

    Quote Originally Posted by CloakedDeception View Post
    Transformation jutsu. She was already 50 when she was a genin under Sarutobi. Now's she's 100. Plot-no-jutsu: uzumaki immortality...
    if shes 100, then how is jiryaya only like 60 at max? they were all around the same age when the three saninns were in a team.
     
         

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    Re: Kishi ruining the chronology on a whim

    This is a theoritic timeline I made few months ago for my "who Tobi is" thread, I think I can use it here:

    Quote Originally Posted by Mante View Post
    Timeline:
    - Consider "Naruto Shippuden Date" as 2000.. Eg: Madara and hashirama fought 80 years ago, so in 1920..got it?
    - some years after hashi vs madara (let's say 24 years) 1st Shinobi world War began in..uh, so in 1944. 2nd Hokage died in this war.
    - Then after 20 years of peace and 2nd War, in 1964. The Sannin (they were 18 years old) fought Hanzo in this war. And Madara gave Nagato rinnegan 2 years ago, so in 1962
    - Inbetween 1967 and 1982: Nagato formed Akatsuki, and Oro joined it
    - In 1982 3rd Shinobi world War, lost Obito, Sasori joined Akatsuki
    - In 1983 Izuna manipulating Mizukage, and Kisame (he was 16) joined Akatsuki
    - In 1984 or 1985 Obito vs. Minato
    - In 1991 Uchiha massacre, Itachi joined Akatsuki and became Oro's Akatsuki partner.
    Correction:
    - the clans war ended in 1920 (say, madara and hashi were 21).
    - After 29 years madara attacked konoha in 1949
    - In 1946 Tsunade was born (3-4 years before hashi's death) and Hiruzen was 17-18 years old
    - In 1952 first shinobi world war and 2nd hokage died.
    - after about 20 years of peace, in 1972 second shinobi world war began, and the sannin (they were 26) fought Hanzo. And Nagato was 12.
    - In between 1979 and 1984 Nagato formed Ataksuki.
    - In 1983 Third war, and Obito joined Madara.
    - In 1984 Yahiko died.
    - In 1984-1985 obito attacked konoha, and Itachi was 7 years old.
    - itachi massacre in 1991 and he was 13.
    - in 2000: Naruto is 16 and Tsunad is 54.

    There you go, timeline fixed >_>'
     
         

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    Re: Kishi ruining the chronology on a whim

    Quote Originally Posted by Mante View Post
    This is a theoritic timeline I made few months ago for my "who Tobi is" thread, I think I can use it here:



    Correction:
    - the clans war ended in 1920 (say, madara and hashi were 21).
    - After 29 years madara attacked konoha in 1949
    - In 1946 Tsunade was born (3-4 years before hashi's death) and Hiruzen was 17-18 years old
    - In 1952 first shinobi world war and 2nd hokage died.
    - after about 20 years of peace, in 1972 second shinobi world war began, and the sannin (they were 26) fought Hanzo. And Nagato was 12.
    - In between 1979 and 1984 Nagato formed Ataksuki.
    - In 1983 Third war, and Obito joined Madara.
    - In 1984 Yahiko died.
    - In 1984-1985 obito attacked konoha, and Itachi was 7 years old.
    - itachi massacre in 1991 and he was 13.
    - in 2000: Naruto is 16 and Tsunad is 54.

    There you go, timeline fixed >_>'
    im pretty sure itatchi was older then 13, he was around 18. obitio didnt attack konoha for a good 3-4 years, so thats wrong too, and yahiko seems a bit off too, but i couldsee how that MAY have been true as he did die young.
     
         

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    Re: Kishi ruining the chronology on a whim

    So many posts that don't read the thread...
    1) inconsistent with Kishi's earlier given timeline in databooks, etc. This is less of an issue, but
    2) it's inconsistent even within the Manga, mainly because of the impossible age dynamic between her and Hiruzen (as was pointed out repeatedly). We're being told a seemingly impossible number of things took place in 3 years...
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by Overload345 View Post
    im pretty sure itatchi was older then 13, he was around 18. obitio didnt attack konoha for a good 3-4 years, so thats wrong too, and yahiko seems a bit off too, but i couldsee how that MAY have been true as he did die young.
    No, Itachi was 13 at the time of the massacre. Sasuke was only 8, and was 12-13 in part 1. Itachi was around 18 in part 1.
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by Overload345 View Post
    im pretty sure itatchi was older then 13, he was around 18. obitio didnt attack konoha for a good 3-4 years, so thats wrong too, and yahiko seems a bit off too, but i couldsee how that MAY have been true as he did die young.
    1. Uchiha massacre happened when itachi was 13. It's said somewhere, won't bother finding it now.
    2. I assumed that Obito stayed with Madara for 1-2 years (1983 to 1984 or 1985, and remember while Obito met Nagato, Yahiko was still alive).
    3. I wanted to fit Tsunade's age to timeline, but to be more realistic I put uchiha massacre, obito etc.
     
         
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    Re: Kishi ruining the chronology on a whim

    Quote Originally Posted by ItachiStyle View Post
    So many posts that don't read the thread...
    1) inconsistent with Kishi's earlier given timeline in databooks, etc. This is less of an issue, but
    2) it's inconsistent even within the Manga, mainly because of the impossible age dynamic between her and Hiruzen (as was pointed out repeatedly). We're being told a seemingly impossible number of things took place in 3 years...
    Another weird timeline/age "mistake"(not really a mistake, I'll explain), is Kakashi being 9 or 10 years old when he was promoted to jounin. How likely is it they'd promote a 9 or 10 year old to jounin in war? I know their forces were depleting, but there were surely better options than a 9 or 10 year old. This became obvious during the Obito flashbacks. This also looks weird because Kakashi seemed to praise the fact(and was afraid of him because of it) that Itachi was ANBU captain at 13. That feat really shouldn't have registered with him given what we know now. Being jounin at 9 or 10 is easily equivalent to, if not surpassing of that feat.

    Prodigy/genius or not, a 9-10 year old jounin doesn't make much sense. Sasuke was considered a genius and only graduated the academy at 12. Same goes for Neji. Such a drastic gap between "prodigies".
     
         

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    not really a fail but a legendary fail
     
         

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    Re: Kishi ruining the chronology on a whim

    Quote Originally Posted by CloakedDeception View Post
    Why do people assume that Tobirama BECAME Hokage AFTER Hashirama died? The current hokage simply has to retire for a new hokage to be appointed. Hiruzen was alive and well when Minato was appointed. The reason I bring this up is, the reign of each hokage is much shorter if they don't serve til death. Which means there's no reason why Tsunade has to be 5 million+ years old for her to have been alive when her grandfather was alive.

    From their chat in the latest chapter, all we know is that Tobirama was STILL Hokage WHEN Hashirama died (because Hashi didn't know about the dealings with the Uchiha).
    From what I understand, thats exactly what this scan from the First Official Databook is supposed to say. Only problem is...its in Japanese.



    Its supposed to confirm that Tobirama became Hokage after the death of Hashirama.
    There's a person somewhere here on the base that translates things from time to time. I forgot what the username is.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ItachiStyle View Post
    Where were they shown to know each other?
    bleeding ignorance...
     
         

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    Re: Kishi ruining the chronology on a whim

    Quote Originally Posted by ItachiStyle View Post
    Why Kishi, why? It was already clear Tsunade couldn't have known the 1st Hokage, based on the timeline. Now, suddenly she did, so we get a funny joke... doesn't he have staff to point this stuff out to him before he does it?

    After all, the 1st and 2nd Hokage reigned for a not inconsiderable period, so even if the 1st knew her just before his death, and the 2nd reigned the minimal number of years, she's still too old to be a genin under (adult) Saru, with his beard and such. Annoying.
    This is Kishi's story and he does not need to write it to your choice of story. You can write your own story and stop crying over another man's story. Stop being a baby.
     
         

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    Re: Kishi ruining the chronology on a whim

    Ot no need to fight kishi. He says they knew each other than they did.
     
         

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    Re: Kishi ruining the chronology on a whim

    Are you forgetting how old and deshrevelled Tsunade looks every time she releases the Seal on her forehead or uses up too much Chakra. She seems much older (visually) than both Jaraiah and Orochimaru (although we have never really seen her face when she's like that; only her crinkly arm and hand).

    Point being, she may very well be older than them, regardless of what we believe her age to be.

    Kishi knows i guess.... anyway...

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    Re: Kishi ruining the chronology on a whim

    Quote Originally Posted by CloakedDeception View Post
    Transformation jutsu. She was already 50 when she was a genin under Sarutobi. Now's she's 100. Plot-no-jutsu: uzumaki immortality...
    WTF does uzumaki have to do here? She has senju heritage... thats why she has a crazy life force.

    The thread: well people have already opened other's people's eyes about the timeline. I really don't like it when people act like they know it all, supposedly thinking of the manga at a higher level then Kishi is thinking about it, and then going against the man. Every time that I have heard something criticising kishi concerning a time line mistake, every-time that criticism was wrong.
     
         

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    Re: Kishi ruining the chronology on a whim

    I'm in awe at the number of people posting who did not read the thread.
     
         

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    Again, all I can say is. . . . . . . . . my Timeline! :drive:
     
         

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    Re: Kishi ruining the chronology on a whim

    What's to gain by Pin-pointing Kish's errs? Its a complicated story line. And yeah. Kishi has his reasons!!! :P
     
         

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    Re: Kishi ruining the chronology on a whim

    Kishi didn't make a mistake you did ! hashi is tsunades grandfather and in the latest manga he made it obvious that he spent a lot of time with her hence her being a spoiled granddaughter because she was the first, in addition you have to spend quite a bit of time together to pick up someone's bad habits!
     
         

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    Re: Kishi ruining the chronology on a whim

    Quote Originally Posted by vickmontero View Post
    This is Kishi's story and he does not need to write it to your choice of story. You can write your own story and stop crying over another man's story. Stop being a baby.
    OMG I LOVE YOUR POST. COULDNT AGREE MORE.
    this is kishi's story,he can do whatever he wants. people should stop whining about it =_="
    it makes them look stupid.
     
         

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