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    Re: Kishi ruining the chronology on a whim

    Actually about few chapters ago when Tsunade was fighting Madara she said that she was the 1st Hokage's grandaughter
     
         

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    Re: Kishi ruining the chronology on a whim

    Quote Originally Posted by ItachiStyle View Post
    Why Kishi, why? It was already clear Tsunade couldn't have known the 1st Hokage, based on the timeline. Now, suddenly she did, so we get a funny joke... doesn't he have staff to point this stuff out to him before he does it?

    After all, the 1st and 2nd Hokage reigned for a not inconsiderable period, so even if the 1st knew her just before his death, and the 2nd reigned the minimal number of years, she's still too old to be a genin under (adult) Saru, with his beard and such. Annoying.
    We have no idea how long the first reigned for. Remember he is Senju, which is life force and vitality. He could look a lot younger then he is.
     
         

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    Re: Kishi ruining the chronology on a whim

    Quote Originally Posted by Sarutobi Sasuke View Post
    From what I understand, thats exactly what this scan from the First Official Databook is supposed to say. Only problem is...its in Japanese.



    Its supposed to confirm that Tobirama became Hokage after the death of Hashirama.
    There's a person somewhere here on the base that translates things from time to time. I forgot what the username is.


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    It says; 初代亡き後その 遺 志を 継 いで゛火影゛と呼ばれたのが、初 代の 実 弟である二代目であった。 which roughly translates to:

    After Shodai's death, he (Tobirama) carried on Shodai's will and was called ''Hokage''. The younger brother of the Shodai, was the Nidai.
     
         

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    Re: Kishi ruining the chronology on a whim

    Quote Originally Posted by AzureCicada View Post
    I think its better to take it as it is rather than thinking about the numbers.

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    Never use logic in Naruto manga bcoz there is no logic there but troll!!!
     
         

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    Re: Kishi ruining the chronology on a whim

    Quote Originally Posted by ItachiStyle View Post
    Why Kishi, why? It was already clear Tsunade couldn't have known the 1st Hokage, based on the timeline. Now, suddenly she did, so we get a funny joke... doesn't he have staff to point this stuff out to him before he does it?

    After all, the 1st and 2nd Hokage reigned for a not inconsiderable period, so even if the 1st knew her just before his death, and the 2nd reigned the minimal number of years, she's still too old to be a genin under (adult) Saru, with his beard and such. Annoying.
    My theory.
    The tsunade we saw in the previous chap was 4.
    This is slightly after the hashi/madara fight, Hashi lets down his position to Tobirama
    Few years pass, tobirama does everything he does in his era
    Tsunade is 10-12 when she is under hiruzen's team.
    At this point, Hiruzen is the kage and Tobirama died.
    I think I solved this.
     
         

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    Re: Kishi ruining the chronology on a whim

    Quote Originally Posted by Kirin Rei View Post
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    It says; 初代亡き後その 遺 志を 継 いで゛火影゛と呼ばれたのが、初 代の 実 弟である二代目であった。 which roughly translates to:

    After Shodai's death, he (Tobirama) carried on Shodai's will and was called ''Hokage''. The younger brother of the Shodai, was the Nidai.
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    I guess this settles this. There is nothing wrong with the timeline. Everything is explainable.
     
         

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    Re: Kishi ruining the chronology on a whim

    Quote Originally Posted by ItzShowtime View Post
    it has shown flash backs of her and the 1st talking when she was a kid in the first part of the manga.
    @ your sig: Ugh!!! WITW!?!?!?
     
         

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    Re: Kishi ruining the chronology on a whim

    Quote Originally Posted by ItachiStyle View Post
    Hashirama didn't recognise Saru, and the last we saw of them together Saru was still a kid.

    Tobirama was Hokage long enough to get his face carved on the mountain, set up the police force (and have a prison and police station built), lead his country to war, travel to the cloud to sign a peace agreement, recover from his injuries, return to Konoha, continue training Saru, and appoint Saru Hokage when he looks to be (at least) slightly older than Naruto is now (late teens probably). Saru then goes from being a teen, to being an adult with a goatee (looking significantly older), and has since had his (bearded face) carved onto the mountain. This Saru trains Tsunade from age 6 as far as we know (since that's when the Sannin graduated from the academy). It's more than a tight fit... Tsunade looks at least 3-4 in that image of Hashi remembering her... it's impossible to fit all that stuff in that timeline.
    Kage do not train genin........
     
         

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    Re: Kishi ruining the chronology on a whim

    Quote Originally Posted by CloakedDeception View Post
    Transformation jutsu. She was already 50 when she was a genin under Sarutobi. Now's she's 100. Plot-no-jutsu: uzumaki immortality...
    this
     
         

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    Re: Kishi ruining the chronology on a whim

    Probably went like this:
    Hashirama and most of his clan married young, because in times of conflict most people tend to secure his legacy in case they die young. Specially if we are talking about clans. He didn't die, his son married young too and we got Tsunade. So Hashi could have been any age past 30 when became grandpa. Tobirama didn't last too long as a hokage, so probably Hiruzen was the same age thant tsunade's dad.

    Hashirama never getting any old could explained by: 1)Popular response: Senju DNA. 2)Kishi can't draw his characters becoming any older or younger, just like with Itachi (13years old = 18 and 28 years old, altrought it could be explained by his illness [some sort of gigantism with cardiac problems])
     
         

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    Re: Kishi ruining the chronology on a whim

    calm down people.,i think its something we jst have to think over..i dont think kishi is wrong with tne timeline since at this point tsunade shuld be like 56 or so..tracing back to saru and tobirama,saru was born wen hashi was hokage,probabli arund 14yrs of age because i can rememba in a manga flashback when tobirama,saru,danzo and others were on a mission which could be like 1-2yrs after hashi passed away do definitely i think since saru was about 14 and saw hashi den probabli tsunade who would av been 4-5yr of age at that time would have seen her grandfather too....(we have actuali seen that the age diference between masters and students in this series isnt that much like kakashi and naruto which isnt more than 14yrs)
     
         

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    Re: Kishi ruining the chronology on a whim

    http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Sannin

    hiruzen was already hokage when he trained the sannin point blank period tis the only answer that makes sense and totally logical because tsunade trained sakura and she is what????? HOKAGE
     
         

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    Re: Kishi ruining the chronology on a whim

    Aside from her being so old, We know that madara was able to stay alive much longer using hashiramas senju dna. so we can stronlgy assume that having mokuton which is creating life(trees). he was able to live much longer..
     
         

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    Re: Kishi ruining the chronology on a whim

    why dont you just quit the show
     
         

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    Re: Kishi ruining the chronology on a whim

    YOU'RE TROLLING BRO! Cut that out. She is his grand daughter, of course he knows her. Get your math in order first.

    Part 1: At the end

    Hashirama fought Madara at the valley of the end 80 years prior to the start of the series.

    Tsunade: 50-51 years of age

    Naruto/Sasuke: 12-13 years of age

    Part 2: Now

    Tsunade: 54-55 years of age

    Naruto/Sasuke: 16 years of age

    This time thing is really clear from Kishimoto himself. A lot of thought goes into these things coming out and turning out right. Keep it together bro.....
     
         

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    Re: Kishi ruining the chronology on a whim

    I hope the story doesn't have a dramatic change because of this...
     
         

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    Re: Kishi ruining the chronology on a whim

    tsunade was probably 3 or 4, it was shown in the first part of the manga.
     
         

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    Re: Kishi ruining the chronology on a whim

    I'm pretty sure Kishi has got this pretty huge ruler like timeline for his characters and events for reference. maybe one evening he got drunk and made a typo then handed it in to whoever he hands it too while hung over and have caused a ripple in the Narutoverse
     
         

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    Re: Kishi ruining the chronology on a whim

    Quote Originally Posted by ItachiStyle View Post
    Why Kishi, why? It was already clear Tsunade couldn't have known the 1st Hokage, based on the timeline. Now, suddenly she did, so we get a funny joke... doesn't he have staff to point this stuff out to him before he does it?

    After all, the 1st and 2nd Hokage reigned for a not inconsiderable period, so even if the 1st knew her just before his death, and the 2nd reigned the minimal number of years, she's still too old to be a genin under (adult) Saru, with his beard and such. Annoying.
    It's been shown at least 3 or 4 times Tsunade having flashbacks of her spending time with Hashirama and even once with Tobirama.
     
         
    Last edited by ~Rerrando~; 02-08-2013 at 12:06 AM.

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    Re: Kishi ruining the chronology on a whim

    Amazing. There are still dozens of posts being made that:
    a) Did not read my posts properly, and
    b) Are making irrelevant replies

    The problem is not to do with how old Tsunade is! The problem is not "did she know who her grandfather was?" The problem is not how old she looks right now (though some "solutions" create that problem, because Jiraya didn't look like he was in his 60's when he died, and they are the same age.. plus Tsunade describes herself as having entered her 50's in the manga). The problem is she graduated from the academy at age 6 and went to be trained under Hiruzen (at which point Hiruzen was a young man with a goatee, years older than when he became Hokage), and in the flashback photo of Hashirama remembering Tsunade, she looks maybe 3.

    Way too much stuff is supposed to have happened in those 3 years to be plausible. Hashi died, Tobirama's entire reign as Hokage happened, Hiruzen became Hokage (looking like a teenager), and aged to a grown up man. That requires a significantly longer timeline. That's the problem, and some of the replies I see are not even remotely responding to it.
     
         
    Last edited by ItachiStyle; 02-08-2013 at 12:43 AM.

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