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    Re: Kishi ruining the chronology on a whim

    Amazing. There are still dozens of posts being made that:
    a) Did not read my posts properly, and
    b) Are making irrelevant replies

    The problem is not to do with how old Tsunade is! The problem is not "did she know who her grandfather was?" The problem is not how old she looks right now (though some "solutions" create that problem, because Jiraya didn't look like he was in his 60's when he died, and they are the same age.. plus Tsunade describes herself as having entered her 50's in the manga). The problem is she graduated from the academy at age 6 and went to be trained under Hiruzen (at which point Hiruzen was a young man with a goatee, years older than when he became Hokage), and in the flashback photo of Hashirama remembering Tsunade, she looks maybe 3.

    Way too much stuff is supposed to have happened in those 3 years to be plausible. Hashi died, Tobirama's entire reign as Hokage happened, Hiruzen became Hokage (looking like a teenager), and aged to a grown up man. That requires a significantly longer timeline. That's the problem, and some of the replies I see are not even remotely responding to it.
     
         
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    Re: Kishi ruining the chronology on a whim

    Assumption is a dangerous word.



    There is a timeline available and written by Kishi.

    > NARUTO the Official Character Data Book #3 dated 2012.
    Also available on this site.
    This book is by Masashi Kishimoto.
    This book written when Naruto is 16 yrs old.
    Therefore, this book Using Naruto at 16 yrs old.

    Please use the title as focus point; which mean The Time-Line of Naruto world.

    (pg 192)Founding of Konoha began over 80 years; let say 85 years..

    (pg 165) Tsunade was 54 yrs old.

    Calculate 85 - 54 = 31
    Hence Senju Hashirama being 1st Hokage was at 31 yrs old and When Tsunade was born.

    The next question = did Hashirama die before he was 31 yrs old.
    If he die before 31 yrs old, then Tsunade was not born yet.


    Suggestion; Use the timeline in the Naruto Official Character Data Book #3
    ...........................
     
         

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    Re: Kishi ruining the chronology on a whim

    Quote Originally Posted by ItachiStyle View Post
    Amazing. There are still dozens of posts being made that:
    a) Did not read my posts properly, and
    b) Are making irrelevant replies

    The problem is not to do with how old Tsunade is! The problem is not "did she know who her grandfather was?" The problem is not how old she looks right now (though some "solutions" create that problem, because Jiraya didn't look like he was in his 60's when he died, and they are the same age.. plus Tsunade describes herself as having entered her 50's in the manga). The problem is she graduated from the academy at age 6 and went to be trained under Hiruzen (at which point Hiruzen was a young man with a goatee, years older than when he became Hokage), and in the flashback photo of Hashirama remembering Tsunade, she looks maybe 3.

    Way too much stuff is supposed to have happened in those 3 years to be plausible. Hashi died, Tobirama's entire reign as Hokage happened, Hiruzen became Hokage (looking like a teenager), and aged to a grown up man. That requires a significantly longer timeline. That's the problem, and some of the replies I see are not even remotely responding to it.
    i think your underestimating the speed of things all the thing you mention before about hashi death and tobirama entire reign could have happened 3 years is plenty of time for setting up the police/prison , fighting a war , the peace with the cloud village . plus you dont know hiruzen age at that point when hashi died so he could have been a very skilled ninja for his age we dont know exactly and this is the problem, it like reading a book hopefully all the loose end will be taken care of by the time the ending approaches. if it not fixed or there is timeline/plotholes then you can start scream bloody murder, until then give kishi the respect he deserves he hasnt done us wrong yet.
     
         

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    Re: Kishi ruining the chronology on a whim

    The chapter said hashirama teched her gambling saw they know eachother
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by Micho22 View Post
    She even learned gambling from me that says everything plus first granddaughter ehat do you want else black on white
     
         

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    Yeh, we get it. Kishi just changed continuity... that's why some of us are annoyed. He just shat all over the previous timeline.

    Sure, whatever Kishi says goes. But Kishi is contradicting himself. If Kishi says 1 + 1 = 2 and then tells us 1 + 1 = 3, he can't have it both ways. That's just logic. Kishi isn't contradicting us, he's contradicting Kishi.
     
         

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    Re: Kishi ruining the chronology on a whim

    I juz wanna point out a flaw.
    Look at the presidents of the us. Look at how fast they age in 4 years. Think of how much a shinobi would age because of the extreme burden he alone carries.
    Its very plausible for him to have looked to have aged that fast based squarely on what we see leaders today doing. Also kishi story and what he wants >>>>>>>>>>>ur opinion. He says they did then they did. End of story.
     
         

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    Re: Kishi ruining the chronology on a whim

    Quote Originally Posted by ItachiStyle View Post
    Yeh, we get it. Kishi just changed continuity... that's why some of us are annoyed. He just shat all over the previous timeline.

    Sure, whatever Kishi says goes. But Kishi is contradicting himself. If Kishi says 1 + 1 = 2 and then tells us 1 + 1 = 3, he can't have it both ways. That's just logic. Kishi isn't contradicting us, he's contradicting Kishi.
    you can't just say that and have us be like "oh yeah you're absolutely right!" as of now you're statement has no ground whatsoever, come back with some hard evidence from the manga itself that proves you're side right people. You're either all in or don;t bother even playing.
     
         

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    Re: Kishi ruining the chronology on a whim

    Quote Originally Posted by kral View Post
    I juz wanna point out a flaw.
    Look at the presidents of the us. Look at how fast they age in 4 years. Think of how much a shinobi would age because of the extreme burden he alone carries.
    Its very plausible for him to have looked to have aged that fast based squarely on what we see leaders today doing. Also kishi story and what he wants >>>>>>>>>>>ur opinion. He says they did then they did. End of story.
    He doesn't carry the burden alone, he has the entire village behind him. That's one of the main points of the series, not to carry everything on your own lol. Hashis a chilled out dude he doesn't stress! They're like a family.

    I wouldn't really call the USA government a "family", haha, it's a bit different. I Don't think no Will of Fire be burning up in the USA! probably the complete opposite in fact lol.
     
         

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    Re: Kishi ruining the chronology on a whim

    It is shown in flashbacks that, Hashirama knew about Tsunade.
     
         

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    Please explain how it was clear that Tsunade wouldn't have known Hashirama.
    perfectly said lol
     
         

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    Re: Kishi ruining the chronology on a whim

    datebayo
     
         

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    Re: Kishi ruining the chronology on a whim

    Quote Originally Posted by itootchi View Post
    Aside from her being so old, We know that madara was able to stay alive much longer using hashiramas senju dna. so we can stronlgy assume that having mokuton which is creating life(trees). he was able to live much longer..
    (Sorry to the OP. I'm gonna go even more off topic than I've been before.)

    I disagree that your assumption is as strong as you say it is.

    I created a theory a very, very long time ago (it's kinda been confirmed by recent chapters). And its about what really makes Hashirama's DNA so special and sought after. And in a way it also reinforces the assumption that Hashirama was predispositioned to live a much longer life...but for a reason that differs from yours.

    Here's an update of that theory:
    • If you compare Yamato's Mokuton Release to Hashirama's you'll immediately notice one big difference:
      • Yamato's Mokuton has a tendancy to produce dead planks (He has been shown to create a living tree on occasion)
      • Hashirama, on the other hand, produces vibrant living trees.

    • Its been mentioned that Hashirama's able to convert his chakra into a "source of life".

    • We've seen what happens when Naruto's KB Mode chakra cloak interacts with Yamato's Mokuton or a White Zetsu. Yamato even comments that Naruto's filled with "life-force" when he enters KB Mode. One could almost say that the Yang chakra from Naruto's cloak "breathes life" into Yamato's dead planks.

      Naruto's KB Mode chakra cloak is made up of Kurama's chakra. And Kurama's chakra is pure Yang Chakra because Minato separated and sealed away the Yin half of Kurama's Chakra.

    Its clear that Yamato's Mokuton seems lifeless because of a lack of Yang Chakra when he performs Mokuton Release.
    In other words: Mokuton + Yang chakra = Living Trees



    Its clear, at this point, that Hashirama is a possessor of Yang Release.


    The point is that Mokuton Release isn't the source that creates/gives life. Yang Release is what's responsible for breathing life into things. And if there's anything that would be responsible for Hashirama having an unusually slow aging process, its would be the ability to convert his chakra into pure Yang chakra. And this is an ability he inherited from the Younger son of the SO6P.


     
         

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    Re: Kishi ruining the chronology on a whim

    Quote Originally Posted by Sarutobi Sasuke View Post
    Your saying that the 1st AND 2nd Hokages were still alive when Hiruzen became Hokage? That doen't make any sense at all. Where is this coming from? I'd really like to see how you got to the conclusion that Hashirama was still alive when Hiruzen became Hokage.

    Anyway, the First Data book states that Tobirama became Hokage after Hashirama died. So Hashirama was definitely dead before Hiruzen became Hokage.

    We know for a fact that Tobirama died the day he made Hiruzen Hokage. If both the first two hokages were still alive just before that moment, what happened to Hashirama? According to your reasoning Hashirama could only have died after Tobirama. That makes no sense at all.

    Also Hiruzen and Minato were not Hokages at the same time. Hiruzen retired and Minato became Hokage. When Minato died, Hiruzen came back out of retirement.
    I will look for the manga page but the 1st and the 2nd were both Hiruzen's teachers, so they both were alive at the same time as Hiruzen (There is a small timeline hole). I saw that during the first series.
     
         

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    Re: Kishi ruining the chronology on a whim

    Quote Originally Posted by edgarmagician View Post
    I will look for the manga page but the 1st and the 2nd were both Hiruzen's teachers, so they both were alive at the same time as Hiruzen (There is a small timeline hole). I saw that during the first series.
    This has already been sorted.

    • Click here to see proof that Hashirama died before Tobirama became Hokage.
    • Click here to see the scans (the ones you talked about) that contains Hiruzen's flashback of the first two Hokages and the reason for the confusion it creates.
     
         
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    Re: Kishi ruining the chronology on a whim

    Yeah i think they was a time when the 3rd died in his flashback hashi and tobi told the 3rd that you have a bigger responsibilities starting from tomorrow you will be hokage...thought i m not if i m correct but i think i have come across something close to that in the manga.....naruto part 1 the 3rd's death.... if anyone is on lap/desk top plz check........
     
         

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    Re: Kishi ruining the chronology on a whim

    Oh, you say Kishi didn't make sense when he said that Tsunade knew the 1st Hokage, her Grandfather?

    Tell me all about those times he kept on explaining this. Maybe the manga makes no sense at all, or maybe you forgot to read it all the way through.
     
         

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    Re: Kishi ruining the chronology on a whim

    Dude,i know the feeling that he really is doing it on a whim,sometimes i just pity him lockin all the story up his head.
     
         

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    Lmfaooo this guy thought he had something an like half these comments are calling him an idiot
     
         

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