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    (DrProof) Tobirama's Resolve

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    Constant threads about Tobirama's reasoning for him doing what had to be done to the Uchiha, has brought hate to his characters, along with the war-loved technique Edo Tensei. Being as the Uchiha had immense infatuation to their loved ones, losing such would cause them great despair causing them to awaken the Sharingan, but not just a regular Sharingan, the Mangekyou Sharingan. This provided a problem, wild Uchiha with Mangekyou Sharingans something had to be done, and Tobirama had done it (no matter how brutal, or evil it intended to sound it was all for the village).

    Tobirama gave them a fitting position in order to use their "confused infatuation problems" (going wild with power; Mangekyou Sharingan) as to why the Police Department was created (solely for the Uchiha). Why is this wrong? Why is this unnecessary hate appointed to Tobirama? He was thinking with his head, and his heart he wanted to protect his village from harm which he did successfully in his Era. So what exactly was wrong with the following actions?


    • Creating the Konoha Police Department for the Uchiha Clan.
    • Using their power for good (to keep the prisoners isolated, and away from villagers).
    • Trying to silence "Madara's Will" from the Uchiha's.
    • Protecting the Hidden Leaf Village from the Uchiha's "wild infatuation problems".
    • To keep themselves out of harms way, so that the Uchiha's themselves don't recklessly suicide.



    Seemingly that is only half of the problem for the ongoing hate Tobirama is constantly getting due to today's current chapter. "Edo Tensei is the cause of this war", "Edo Tensei should have never been created", "Tobirama is truly evil for creating Edo Tensei" these are all statements I've come to hear, but do you all conclude the possibilities as to why Tobirama created such a technique? As to why it would bring back a numerous of dead shinobi? To aid the Leaf Village.

    In wars such as this Tobirama created the Edo Tensei (most-probable) to aid the Leaf Village in wars, or to deal with the Uchiha Clan's instability, undying shinobi who could only be defeated due to sealing jutsu. Edo Tensei was truly presumed evil due to Orochimaru performing it, leading to Kabuto using it in the current war arc we are presented now, Orochimaru was truly the one to corrupt the concept of the jutsu, with Madara doing it some justice admitting that the creation of the jutsu could enable an army to wipe out a map. Orochimaru was right, Hashirama probably had stated the same Edo Tensei shouldn't have been created, however it had good intentions, but was abused with the wrong users.


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    • Tobirama settles the Uchiha's "wild infatuation problem" so no harm comes to the village (the main objective)
    • Power is given to the Uchiha Clan to put to use their Mangekyou Sharingan's incredible power (protecting the village, and chances of getting themselves killed)
    • Edo Tensei created to stop wars, and instability of the Uchiha Clan, but later used for corrupted purposes (attacking the Leaf Village, and support the war)
    • Look at the situation from Tobirama's point of view, what would you have done? (You can't please everyone)


    Addition by KGB Kakuzu:
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    Hopefully this will help.....this is the second attempt to explain this !

    It is also good to note that he tried to help the Uchiha despite the fact he held trust issues due to the fact they had been trying to kill his clansmen his whole life, AND the fact the leader of the Uchiha went and fought his brother in what was origionally a death match....

    Tobirama is getting hate for having a straight forward attitude that doesn't sugar coat his feelings.....how unfortunate for him..
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    The best word to describe Tobirama is that he is more than anything a Utilitarian, the genetic predisposition of the Uchihas are a given but he wanted to use that for the greater good, tempering their strong emotions for the benefit of Konoha rather than being a detriment to it.
     
         
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    Re: (DrProof) Tobirama's Resolve

    As always, great logic.
     
         

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    Re: (DrProof) Tobirama's Resolve

    I'm sure that everyone who took the time to read the whole thing, already knew this...
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreckerplayer View Post
    I'm sure that everyone who took the time to read the whole thing, already knew this...
    Then why exactly is all this continuous baseless hate going around if the majority already know this? Is it because they deny manga facts? Or is it because they didn't exactly know it all?
     
         

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    Re: (DrProof) Tobirama's Resolve

    Quote Originally Posted by DrProof View Post
    Then why exactly is all this continuous baseless hate going around if the majority already know this? Is it because they deny manga facts? Or is it because they didn't exactly know it all?
    You're right, but let's not forget that Tobirama represents the truth, and a lot of people don't like the truth, for some reason.

    I can't stand people who dislike the truth...
     
         

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    Re: (DrProof) Tobirama's Resolve

    Quote Originally Posted by DrProof View Post
    Then why exactly is all this continuous baseless hate going around if the majority already know this? Is it because they deny manga facts? Or is it because they didn't exactly know it all?
    I don't hate him for what was stated above (because of the listed reasons, such as it was best for the village.) I hate Tobirama because of how he's acting now: snobbish towards his older brother, and cruel to Sasuke.

    Despite looking out for the village, it seems based on his attitude that he was also doing this because he hated the Uchiha, claiming it was good that they were wiped out.

    With revgards to Edo Tensei, it's more a problem of bringing back the dead. It doesn't matter that he's using it to hep the village. It's more the idea of dragging someone's soul back. The 2nd mizukage and the 2nd tsuchikage, as well as a few other resurrected nin, seemed to show disgust for whoever brought them back, before knowing the reason or who was controlling them. Perhaps hey considered it crossing a boundary...? However, I didn't have a problem with the fact that he created edo tensei, I just had a problem with his personality. He really acted like a jerk.
     
         

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    Re: (DrProof) Tobirama's Resolve

    Quote Originally Posted by DrProof View Post
    Then why exactly is all this continuous baseless hate going around if the majority already know this? Is it because they deny manga facts? Or is it because they didn't exactly know it all?
    not like everyone actually believe in "manga facts"
    one does not simply use "manga facts" on nb
    yea right, fanboys/haters/ignorant kids, which nb is full of, actually believe in "manga facts"
    rofl
     
         

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    Re: (DrProof) Tobirama's Resolve

    Quote Originally Posted by Dreckerplayer View Post
    I'm sure that everyone who took the time to read the whole thing, already knew this...
    /thread.
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreckerplayer View Post
    I'm sure that everyone who took the time to read the whole thing, already knew this...
    Thanks... and this.
     
         

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    Re: (DrProof) Tobirama's Resolve

    Quote Originally Posted by Dreckerplayer View Post
    I'm sure that everyone who took the time to read the whole thing, already knew this...
    Right?
     
         

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    Re: (DrProof) Tobirama's Resolve

    Quote Originally Posted by Dreckerplayer View Post
    I'm sure that everyone who took the time to read the whole thing, already knew this...
    haha u sound butt hurt cuz Dr Proof made u sound dumb on ur last thread lol
     
         

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    Re: (DrProof) Tobirama's Resolve

    well from the time period, he did what he had to do. Then as times changed, they took advantage of what he has done.
     
         

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    Re: (DrProof) Tobirama's Resolve

    I dont see why people seem him as a dueche
     
         

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    Re: (DrProof) Tobirama's Resolve

    As usual, great thread and logic.
    Backed up with great facts ^^
     
         

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    Re: (DrProof) Tobirama's Resolve

    Yeah Tobirama did it for the aid of the Leaf, and I think he made the right choice creating it. The people saying that "He shouldn't have created Edo-tensei" are just deceived by the very thought of it being a good Jutsu. Putting the Jutsu in the wrong hands however could come about of it seeimg evil, which is not the case here. But I agree.
     
         

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    Re: (DrProof) Tobirama's Resolve

    He did it wrongly though. Ask Madara or Hashirama. -__-
     
         

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    Re: (DrProof) Tobirama's Resolve

    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleA49 View Post
    As always, great logic.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Outside View Post
    As usual, great thread and logic.
    Backed up with great facts ^^
    Thanks guys.
    Quote Originally Posted by AfflictionCause View Post
    Yeah Tobirama did it for the aid of the Leaf, and I think he made the right choice creating it. The people saying that "He shouldn't have created Edo-tensei" are just deceived by the very thought of it being a good Jutsu. Putting the Jutsu in the wrong hands however could come about of it seeimg evil, which is not the case here. But I agree.
    Exactly my point, the ones who corrupted it made it into a bad look on Tobirama, but they were only doing their job as they are the villains of the story.
    Quote Originally Posted by Hipster Madara View Post
    He did it wrongly though. Ask Madara or Hashirama. -__-
    He may have done it "wrong" in the view of Madara or Hashirama, however in his own logical mind he was doing the right thing.
     
         

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    Re: (DrProof) Tobirama's Resolve

    Quote Originally Posted by Garamond
    Exactly my point, the ones who corrupted it made it into a bad look on Tobirama, but they were only doing their job as they are the villains of the story.
    Exactly what I was thinking, people actually need to think it out and figure out the truth instead of jumping to pointless conclusions.
     
         

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    Re: (DrProof) Tobirama's Resolve

    Quote Originally Posted by DrProof View Post
    Thanks guys.

    Exactly my point, the ones who corrupted it made it into a bad look on Tobirama, but they were only doing their job as they are the villains of the story.

    He may have done it "wrong" in the view of Madara or Hashirama, however in his own logical mind he was doing the right thing.
    Fine. In my view, killing everyone who is against my religion is the right thing because infidels are*blah blah*
    Does that make me right? LOOOL No. Try again.
     
         

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    Re: (DrProof) Tobirama's Resolve

    Quote Originally Posted by DrProof View Post
    Thanks guys.

    Exactly my point, the ones who corrupted it made it into a bad look on Tobirama, but they were only doing their job as they are the villains of the story.

    He may have done it "wrong" in the view of Madara or Hashirama, however in his own logical mind he was doing the right thing.


    I agree but i guess using dead people at all is wrong. it tarnishes there legacy
     
         

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    Re: (DrProof) Tobirama's Resolve

    Maybe
     
         

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    Re: (DrProof) Tobirama's Resolve

    Tobirama is a typical fascist, and these are far worse than communists.
     
         

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    Re: (DrProof) Tobirama's Resolve

    agree.

    I never hated tobirama for suppressing the Uchiha he did what was necessary.
    However Creating EdoTensie was a bad move on his part.
     
         

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    Re: (DrProof) Tobirama's Resolve

    Quote Originally Posted by DrProof View Post
    Inaccuracy


    Constant threads about Tobirama's reasoning for him doing what had to be done to the Uchiha, has brought hate to his characters, along with the war-loved technique Edo Tensei. Being as the Uchiha had immense infatuation to their loved ones, losing such would cause them great despair causing them to awaken the Sharingan, but not just a regular Sharingan, the Mangekyou Sharingan. This provided a problem, wild Uchiha with Mangekyou Sharingans something had to be done, and Tobirama had done it (no matter how brutal, or evil it intended to sound it was all for the village).

    Tobirama gave them a fitting position in order to use their "confused infatuation problems" (going wild with power; Mangekyou Sharingan) as to why the Police Department was created (solely for the Uchiha). Why is this wrong? Why is this unnecessary hate appointed to Tobirama? He was thinking with his head, and his heart he wanted to protect his village from harm which he did successfully in his Era. So what exactly was wrong with the following actions?




    • Creating the Konoha Police Department for the Uchiha Clan.
    • Using their power for good (to keep the prisoners isolated, and away from villagers).
    • Trying to silence "Madara's Will" from the Uchiha's.
    • Protecting the Hidden Leaf Village from the Uchiha's "wild infatuation problems".
    • To keep themselves out of harms way, so that the Uchiha's themselves don't recklessly suicide.



    Seemingly that is only half of the problem for the ongoing hate Tobirama is constantly getting due to today's current chapter. "Edo Tensei is the cause of this war", "Edo Tensei should have never been created", "Tobirama is truly evil for creating Edo Tensei" these are all statements I've come to hear, but do you all conclude the possibilities as to why Tobirama created such a technique? As to why it would bring back a numerous of dead shinobi? To aid the Leaf Village.

    In wars such as this Tobirama created the Edo Tensei (most-probable) to aid the Leaf Village in wars, or to deal with the Uchiha Clan's instability, undying shinobi who could only be defeated due to sealing jutsu. Edo Tensei was truly presumed evil due to Orochimaru performing it, leading to Kabuto using it in the current war arc we are presented now, Orochimaru was truly the one to corrupt the concept of the jutsu, with Madara doing it some justice admitting that the creation of the jutsu could enable an army to wipe out a map. Orochimaru was right, Hashirama probably had stated the same Edo Tensei shouldn't have been created, however it had good intentions, but was abused with the wrong users.


    Conclusion


    • Tobirama settles the Uchiha's "wild infatuation problem" so no harm comes to the village (the main objective)
    • Power is given to the Uchiha Clan to put to use their Mangekyou Sharingan's incredible power (protecting the village, and chances of getting themselves killed)
    • Edo Tensei created to stop wars, and instability of the Uchiha Clan, but later used for corrupted purposes (attacking the Leaf Village, and support the war)
    • Look at the situation from Tobirama's point of view, what would you have done? (You can't please everyone)
    Well his actions did cause the uchiha to grow to resent them even more and eventually cause the death of a whole clan
     
         

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    Re: (DrProof) Tobirama's Resolve

    Hopefully this will help.....this is the second attempt to explain this !

    It is also good to note that he tried to help the Uchiha despite the fact he held trust issues due to the fact they had been trying to kill his clansmen his whole life, AND the fact the leader of the Uchiha went and fought his brother in what was origionally a death match....

    Tobirama is getting hate for having a straight forward attitude that doesn't sugar coat his feelings.....how unfortunate for him
     
         

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