(DrProof) Tobirama's Resolve

[DrProof]

Inaccuracy


Constant threads about Tobirama's reasoning for him doing what had to be done to the Uchiha, has brought hate to his characters, along with the war-loved technique Edo Tensei. Being as the Uchiha had immense infatuation to their loved ones, losing such would cause them great despair causing them to awaken the Sharingan, but not just a regular Sharingan, the Mangekyou Sharingan. This provided a problem, wild Uchiha with Mangekyou Sharingans something had to be done, and Tobirama had done it (no matter how brutal, or evil it intended to sound it was all for the village).

Tobirama gave them a fitting position in order to use their "confused infatuation problems" (going wild with power; Mangekyou Sharingan) as to why the Police Department was created (solely for the Uchiha). Why is this wrong? Why is this unnecessary hate appointed to Tobirama? He was thinking with his head, and his heart he wanted to protect his village from harm which he did successfully in his Era. So what exactly was wrong with the following actions?

• Creating the Konoha Police Department for the Uchiha Clan.
• Using their power for good (to keep the prisoners isolated, and away from villagers).
• Trying to silence "Madara's Will" from the Uchiha's.
• Protecting the Hidden Leaf Village from the Uchiha's "wild infatuation problems".
• To keep themselves out of harms way, so that the Uchiha's themselves don't recklessly suicide.

Seemingly that is only half of the problem for the ongoing hate Tobirama is constantly getting due to today's current chapter. "Edo Tensei is the cause of this war", "Edo Tensei should have never been created", "Tobirama is truly evil for creating Edo Tensei" these are all statements I've come to hear, but do you all conclude the possibilities as to why Tobirama created such a technique? As to why it would bring back a numerous of dead shinobi? To aid the Leaf Village.

In wars such as this Tobirama created the Edo Tensei (most-probable) to aid the Leaf Village in wars, or to deal with the Uchiha Clan's instability, undying shinobi who could only be defeated due to sealing jutsu. Edo Tensei was truly presumed evil due to Orochimaru performing it, leading to Kabuto using it in the current war arc we are presented now, Orochimaru was truly the one to corrupt the concept of the jutsu, with Madara doing it some justice admitting that the creation of the jutsu could enable an army to wipe out a map. Orochimaru was right, Hashirama probably had stated the same Edo Tensei shouldn't have been created, however it had good intentions, but was abused with the wrong users.


Conclusion

• Tobirama settles the Uchiha's "wild infatuation problem" so no harm comes to the village (the main objective)
• Power is given to the Uchiha Clan to put to use their Mangekyou Sharingan's incredible power (protecting the village, and chances of getting themselves killed)
• Edo Tensei created to stop wars, and instability of the Uchiha Clan, but later used for corrupted purposes (attacking the Leaf Village, and support the war)
• Look at the situation from Tobirama's point of view, what would you have done? (You can't please everyone)

Addition by KGB Kakuzu:

Hopefully this will help.....this is the second attempt to explain this !

It is also good to note that he tried to help the Uchiha despite the fact he held trust issues due to the fact they had been trying to kill his clansmen his whole life, AND the fact the leader of the Uchiha went and fought his brother in what was origionally a death match....

Tobirama is getting hate for having a straight forward attitude that doesn't sugar coat his feelings.....how unfortunate for him..

Addition by Derp Obito:

The best word to describe Tobirama is that he is more than anything a Utilitarian, the genetic predisposition of the Uchihas are a given but he wanted to use that for the greater good, tempering their strong emotions for the benefit of Konoha rather than being a detriment to it.

[DoubleA49]

As always, great logic.

[Dreckerplayer]

I'm sure that everyone who took the time to read the whole thing, already knew this...

[wizzyguy]

well from the time period, he did what he had to do. Then as times changed, they took advantage of what he has done.

[Ultimate Beast]

I dont see why people seem him as a dueche

[★Mr. Outside]

As usual, great thread and logic.
Backed up with great facts ^^

[AfflictionCause]

Yeah Tobirama did it for the aid of the Leaf, and I think he made the right choice creating it. The people saying that "He shouldn't have created Edo-tensei" are just deceived by the very thought of it being a good Jutsu. Putting the Jutsu in the wrong hands however could come about of it seeimg evil, which is not the case here. But I agree.

[Hipster Madara]

He did it wrongly though. Ask Madara or Hashirama. -__-

[jediknite2]

Maybe

[DrProof]

I'm sure that everyone who took the time to read the whole thing, already knew this...

Then why exactly is all this continuous baseless hate going around if the majority already know this? Is it because they deny manga facts? Or is it because they didn't exactly know it all?

[drknght]

Tobirama is a typical fascist, and these are far worse than communists.

[Lady Luck]

agree.

I never hated tobirama for suppressing the Uchiha he did what was necessary.
However Creating EdoTensie was a bad move on his part.

[romeboii]

Inaccuracy


Constant threads about Tobirama's reasoning for him doing what had to be done to the Uchiha, has brought hate to his characters, along with the war-loved technique Edo Tensei. Being as the Uchiha had immense infatuation to their loved ones, losing such would cause them great despair causing them to awaken the Sharingan, but not just a regular Sharingan, the Mangekyou Sharingan. This provided a problem, wild Uchiha with Mangekyou Sharingans something had to be done, and Tobirama had done it (no matter how brutal, or evil it intended to sound it was all for the village).

Tobirama gave them a fitting position in order to use their "confused infatuation problems" (going wild with power; Mangekyou Sharingan) as to why the Police Department was created (solely for the Uchiha). Why is this wrong? Why is this unnecessary hate appointed to Tobirama? He was thinking with his head, and his heart he wanted to protect his village from harm which he did successfully in his Era. So what exactly was wrong with the following actions?

• Creating the Konoha Police Department for the Uchiha Clan.
• Using their power for good (to keep the prisoners isolated, and away from villagers).
• Trying to silence "Madara's Will" from the Uchiha's.
• Protecting the Hidden Leaf Village from the Uchiha's "wild infatuation problems".
• To keep themselves out of harms way, so that the Uchiha's themselves don't recklessly suicide.

Seemingly that is only half of the problem for the ongoing hate Tobirama is constantly getting due to today's current chapter. "Edo Tensei is the cause of this war", "Edo Tensei should have never been created", "Tobirama is truly evil for creating Edo Tensei" these are all statements I've come to hear, but do you all conclude the possibilities as to why Tobirama created such a technique? As to why it would bring back a numerous of dead shinobi? To aid the Leaf Village.

In wars such as this Tobirama created the Edo Tensei (most-probable) to aid the Leaf Village in wars, or to deal with the Uchiha Clan's instability, undying shinobi who could only be defeated due to sealing jutsu. Edo Tensei was truly presumed evil due to Orochimaru performing it, leading to Kabuto using it in the current war arc we are presented now, Orochimaru was truly the one to corrupt the concept of the jutsu, with Madara doing it some justice admitting that the creation of the jutsu could enable an army to wipe out a map. Orochimaru was right, Hashirama probably had stated the same Edo Tensei shouldn't have been created, however it had good intentions, but was abused with the wrong users.


Conclusion

• Tobirama settles the Uchiha's "wild infatuation problem" so no harm comes to the village (the main objective)
• Power is given to the Uchiha Clan to put to use their Mangekyou Sharingan's incredible power (protecting the village, and chances of getting themselves killed)
• Edo Tensei created to stop wars, and instability of the Uchiha Clan, but later used for corrupted purposes (attacking the Leaf Village, and support the war)
• Look at the situation from Tobirama's point of view, what would you have done? (You can't please everyone)

Well his actions did cause the uchiha to grow to resent them even more and eventually cause the death of a whole clan

[KGB Kakuzu]

Hopefully this will help.....this is the second attempt to explain this !

It is also good to note that he tried to help the Uchiha despite the fact he held trust issues due to the fact they had been trying to kill his clansmen his whole life, AND the fact the leader of the Uchiha went and fought his brother in what was origionally a death match....

Tobirama is getting hate for having a straight forward attitude that doesn't sugar coat his feelings.....how unfortunate for him

[DrProof]

As always, great logic.

As usual, great thread and logic.
Backed up with great facts ^^

Thanks guys.

Yeah Tobirama did it for the aid of the Leaf, and I think he made the right choice creating it. The people saying that "He shouldn't have created Edo-tensei" are just deceived by the very thought of it being a good Jutsu. Putting the Jutsu in the wrong hands however could come about of it seeimg evil, which is not the case here. But I agree.

Exactly my point, the ones who corrupted it made it into a bad look on Tobirama, but they were only doing their job as they are the villains of the story.

He did it wrongly though. Ask Madara or Hashirama. -__-

He may have done it "wrong" in the view of Madara or Hashirama, however in his own logical mind he was doing the right thing.

[Lady Luck]

However despite your use of grammer and paragraphing.

Tobirama Was still a fascist and a discriminator

[The Alchemist]

Inaccuracy


Constant threads about Tobirama's reasoning for him doing what had to be done to the Uchiha, has brought hate to his characters, along with the war-loved technique Edo Tensei. Being as the Uchiha had immense infatuation to their loved ones, losing such would cause them great despair causing them to awaken the Sharingan, but not just a regular Sharingan, the Mangekyou Sharingan. This provided a problem, wild Uchiha with Mangekyou Sharingans something had to be done, and Tobirama had done it (no matter how brutal, or evil it intended to sound it was all for the village).

Tobirama gave them a fitting position in order to use their "confused infatuation problems" (going wild with power; Mangekyou Sharingan) as to why the Police Department was created (solely for the Uchiha). Why is this wrong? Why is this unnecessary hate appointed to Tobirama? He was thinking with his head, and his heart he wanted to protect his village from harm which he did successfully in his Era. So what exactly was wrong with the following actions?

• Creating the Konoha Police Department for the Uchiha Clan.
• Using their power for good (to keep the prisoners isolated, and away from villagers).
• Trying to silence "Madara's Will" from the Uchiha's.
• Protecting the Hidden Leaf Village from the Uchiha's "wild infatuation problems".
• To keep themselves out of harms way, so that the Uchiha's themselves don't recklessly suicide.

Seemingly that is only half of the problem for the ongoing hate Tobirama is constantly getting due to today's current chapter. "Edo Tensei is the cause of this war", "Edo Tensei should have never been created", "Tobirama is truly evil for creating Edo Tensei" these are all statements I've come to hear, but do you all conclude the possibilities as to why Tobirama created such a technique? As to why it would bring back a numerous of dead shinobi? To aid the Leaf Village.

In wars such as this Tobirama created the Edo Tensei (most-probable) to aid the Leaf Village in wars, or to deal with the Uchiha Clan's instability, undying shinobi who could only be defeated due to sealing jutsu. Edo Tensei was truly presumed evil due to Orochimaru performing it, leading to Kabuto using it in the current war arc we are presented now, Orochimaru was truly the one to corrupt the concept of the jutsu, with Madara doing it some justice admitting that the creation of the jutsu could enable an army to wipe out a map. Orochimaru was right, Hashirama probably had stated the same Edo Tensei shouldn't have been created, however it had good intentions, but was abused with the wrong users.


Conclusion

• Tobirama settles the Uchiha's "wild infatuation problem" so no harm comes to the village (the main objective)
• Power is given to the Uchiha Clan to put to use their Mangekyou Sharingan's incredible power (protecting the village, and chances of getting themselves killed)
• Edo Tensei created to stop wars, and instability of the Uchiha Clan, but later used for corrupted purposes (attacking the Leaf Village, and support the war)
• Look at the situation from Tobirama's point of view, what would you have done? (You can't please everyone)

I agree. Tobirama may have seemed a hard ass but he had to be. What if you had a village full of bloodthirsty, OP ocular having, warrior based clan with the emotional control of a spoiled four year old in your village?! What he did was completely logical, the haters are just immature whiners, LOL! I think you've changed my mind about you Dr. Proof. You won me over again with your sound logic.

[DrProof]

Hopefully this will help.....this is the second attempt to explain this !

It is also good to note that he tried to help the Uchiha despite the fact he held trust issues due to the fact they had been trying to kill his clansmen his whole life, AND the fact the leader of the Uchiha went and fought his brother in what was origionally a death match....

Tobirama is getting hate for having a straight forward attitude that doesn't sugar coat his feelings.....how unfortunate for him

Exactly, and good point.

However despite your use of grammer and paragraphing.

Tobirama Was still a fascist and a discriminator

But why wouldn't he be exhibit fascism, or discrimination to the clan who fought his own countless times? Wouldn't display the same actions to someone who tried to kill your family, but then you found out that they were actually your step sisters/brothers (step family)?

[Serotonin]

Listen Matey I don't care how many thesauruses you regurgitated.

Siding with Tobirama isn't much different then siding with Hitler.

[Inanimated]

You're right, Tobirama only wanted to protect his village. I see nothing wrong with what he did, otherwise they would have rebelled a lot earlier in my opinion.

[AfflictionCause]

Exactly my point, the ones who corrupted it made it into a bad look on Tobirama, but they were only doing their job as they are the villains of the story.

Exactly what I was thinking, people actually need to think it out and figure out the truth instead of jumping to pointless conclusions.

[DrProof]

Listen Matey I don't care how many thesauruses you regurgitated.

Siding with Tobirama isn't much different then siding with Hitler.

Let's getting something straight, if you cannot comprehend what is barely 8th grade grammar, and wording then you sir can please escort yourself out of this thread.

Another thing, using a baseless logic such as "siding with Tobirama isn't much different as to siding with Hitler" is rhetorical.

Listen Matey I don't care how many thesauruses you regurgitated.

Siding with Tobirama isn't much different then siding with Hitler.

Let's getting something straight, if you cannot comprehend what is barely 8th grade grammar, and wording then you sir can please escort yourself out of this thread.

Another thing, using a baseless logic such as "siding with Tobirama isn't much different as to siding with Hitler" is rhetorical.

I agree. Tobirama may have seemed a hard ass but he had to be. What if you had a village full of bloodthirsty, OP ocular having, warrior based clan with the emotional control of a spoiled four year old in your village?! What he did was completely logical, the haters are just immature whiners, LOL! I think you've changed my mind about you Dr. Proof. You won me over again with your sound logic.

Exactly my point! It was simply illogical to keep Mangekyou Sharingan wild Uchiha around. The instability that they presented was just to risky, Tobirama had to do something.

You're right, Tobirama only wanted to protect his village. I see nothing wrong with what he did, otherwise they would have rebelled a lot earlier in my opinion.

Another brilliant point, the Uchiha would have most definitely rebelled earlier if Tobirama hadn't have taken his justified actions against the Clan. It was only logical.

[drknght]

Hashirama settled the conflict between Uchiha and Senju clans. Uchihas gave up the position of the ruler, and that wasn't enough, they started to be treated as a felonies. Tobirama basically brought the whole conflict back. It was highly prejudice to put Uchihas to ghetto. They didn't do anything wrong. They were planning rebellion, but that doesn't justify Tobirama. You don't punish a crimminal before he commits a crime. Hashirama was/is a man, Tobirama is a piece of ****.

[Serotonin]

Let's getting something straight, if you cannot comprehend what is barely 8th grade grammar, and wording then you sir can please escort yourself out of this thread.

Another thing, using a baseless logic such as "siding with Tobirama isn't much different as to siding with Hitler" is rhetorical.

I can comprehend it, so can everyone else and I understand what your saying.
But in the end all I read was well structured wank with grammer that is unnecessarily pretentious.

[DrProof]

Hashirama settled the conflict between Uchiha and Senju clans. Uchihas gave up the position of the ruler, and that wasn't enough, they started to be treated as a felonies. Tobirama basically brought the whole conflict back. It was highly prejudice to put Uchihas to ghetto. They didn't do anything wrong. They were planning rebellion, but that doesn't justify Tobirama. You don't punish a crimminal before he commits a crime. Hashirama was/is a man, Tobirama is a piece of ****.

You don't punish a criminal that has plans to compromise your own home? In what sense is this? If Tobirama had not taken care of the problem then, and there they might have not had a future.