(DrProof) Tobirama's Resolve

[Unbiased King]

How does bringing back the dead help against the "wild infatuation" amongst the Uchiha?

Sure they get to see the ones they love, but the MS has already sprouted and is irreversible; I didn't pick up the sense that Tobirama described this anguish as children going on a rampage.

[DrProof]

I can comprehend it, so can everyone else and I understand what your saying.
But in the end all I read was well structured wank with grammer that is unnecessarily pretentious.

Faggot boy.

Being pretentious in the use of 8th grade grammar/wording? What logic is this? All this while insulting me with such a phrase? Why are you so offended?

PS: You spelled "grammar" incorrectly.

[Oblargagh]

Wait...

Perhaps I'm understanding something wrong, but what did Tobirama do to the Uchiha that was bad? In what way did he restrict their autonomy?

Let's consider a few things:

1) The Uchiha warred with the Senju for some time.
2) The Senju won the war but allowed the Uchiha to join them in the city of Konoha out of good will.
3) Knowing that the Uchiha are emotional time bombs, Tobirama encouraged them to be the police of Konoha. (He didn't force them to join as far as I know.)

Honestly, the Senju would be justified in killing everyone in the clan after the Senju won the war, but decided against it. Eventually, Hiruzen had to have the entire clan annihilated because they could not remain in a civil society.

So what did Tobirama do to the Uchiha that was bad? He did not restrict their freedom in any way. Uchiha were citizens just like the rest of Konoha.

[Kages]

Nice job

[Thundercles]

I agree. Tobirama was a realist and did what he had to do and how he saw fit to do it. He was around when these so called "allies" we're enemies. You can't blame him for being so wary of them.

[Ƒālconer]

nice stuff man.

[drknght]

You don't punish a criminal that has plans to compromise your own home? In what sense is this? If Tobirama had not taken care of the problem then, and there they might have not had a future.

Well, now you have a big ass war about it. How is that for a great future? There wouldn't be any plans of rebellion, if Tobirama would have been more respectful, and didn't treat Uchihas like a dogs. What was the purpose of slaughtering the innocent people? They didn't do anything wrong. We don't know if they would comprise their own home. Words are just words, only actions matter. I oppose prevention. It's basically treating a person like a complete moron, to tell what will a person do beforehand. Let people do as they please, but when they commit the crime, THEN you punish them, not before.

[Oblargagh]

Well, now you have a big ass war about it. How is that for a great future? There wouldn't be any plans of rebellion, if Tobirama would have been more respectful, and didn't treat Uchihas like a dogs. What was the purpose of slaughtering the innocent people? They didn't do anything wrong. We don't know if they would comprise their own home. Words are just words, only actions matter. I oppose prevention. It's basically treating a person like a complete moron, to tell what will a person do beforehand. Let people do as they please, but when they commit the crime, THEN you punish them, not before.

How did Tobirama treat the Uchiha "like dogs?"

He encouraged them to join the Konoha police force as a way to keep their emotions in check.

He did not punish or restrict them in any fashion that I know of.

[Thundercles]

Well, now you have a big ass war about it. How is that for a great future? There wouldn't be any plans of rebellion, if Tobirama would have been more respectful, and didn't treat Uchihas like a dogs. What was the purpose of slaughtering the innocent people? They didn't do anything wrong. We don't know if they would comprise their own home. Words are just words, only actions matter. I oppose prevention. It's basically treating a person like a complete moron, to tell what will a person do beforehand. Let people do as they please, but when they commit the crime, THEN you punish them, not before.

How was he to know a war would come? Also, I've never put a dog in charge of a police force. So, they should have let the Uchiha rebel and kill many innocent Konoha villagers and throw the entire village into chaos, allowing other villages to come in and rape, murder, and plunder? Good logic there. Good chat.

[Dreckerplayer]

Then why exactly is all this continuous baseless hate going around if the majority already know this? Is it because they deny manga facts? Or is it because they didn't exactly know it all?

You're right, but let's not forget that Tobirama represents the truth, and a lot of people don't like the truth, for some reason.

I can't stand people who dislike the truth...

[Staarkk]

It is Tobirama's fault that the Uchiha clan is gone, it is his fault that the 3rd Hokage Hiruzen died, his wretched technique. Every single Hidden Leaf problem has some ties to Tobirama, I do not favor him like I did anymore.

[DrProof]

Well, now you have a big ass war about it. How is that for a great future? There wouldn't be any plans of rebellion, if Tobirama would have been more respectful, and didn't treat Uchihas like a dogs. What was the purpose of slaughtering the innocent people? They didn't do anything wrong. We don't know if they would comprise their own home. Words are just words, only actions matter. I oppose prevention. It's basically treating a person like a complete moron, to tell what will a person do beforehand. Let people do as they please, but when they commit the crime, THEN you punish them, not before.

I think your reading to much into what COULD have happened rather than what DID happen. Tobirama didn't kill any Uchiha's, as well he didn't treat them like dogs. He gave them freedom like any of the villagers except he gave them more responsibilities, which in turn turned into power (the police department).

So you're saying based on your logic, that you'd let a criminal kill your mother, father, and/or brother/sister WITH YOU KNOWING they were going to commit the said act, but you wouldn't act on it due to you not believing that is a logical reaction to the problem?

[KingHashirama]

We should all have learned something by now... Always follow what the Shodai tells you to follow.

[Kage Phoenix]

I never hated Tobirama :D

[Thundercles]

I think your reading to much into what COULD have happened rather than what DID happen. Tobirama didn't kill any Uchiha's, as well he didn't treat them like dogs. He gave them freedom like any of the villagers except he gave them more responsibilities, which in turn turned into power (the police department).

So you're saying based on your logic, that you'd let a criminal kill your mother, father, and/or brother/sister WITH YOU KNOWING they were going to commit the said act, but you wouldn't act on it due to you not believing that is a logical reaction to the problem?

Glad I'm not the only who sees the flaw in his "logic".

[Unbiased King]

I feel honored to have my post ignored (#26) by the great Dr. Proof.

[DrProof]

How was he to know a war would come? Also, I've never put a dog in charge of a police force. So, they should have let the Uchiha rebel and kill many innocent Konoha villagers and throw the entire village into chaos, allowing other villages to come in and rape, murder, and plunder? Good logic there. Good chat.

Exactly.

You're right, but let's not forget that Tobirama represents the truth, and a lot of people don't like the truth, for some reason.

I can't stand people who dislike the truth...

That's why people must understand to accept the truth, and not go against its principles. Hating Tobirama for such matters is pointless.

It is Tobirama's fault that the Uchiha clan is gone, it is his fault that the 3rd Hokage Hiruzen died, his wretched technique. Every single Hidden Leaf problem has some ties to Tobirama, I do not favor him like I did anymore.

• Hiruzen ordered Itachi to kill the Uchiha Clan, how is that Tobirama's fault? Hiruzen didn't keep them at bay like Tobirama had done, and that was the Uchiha clan's downfall.
  
• The third hokage died due to the misuse in Edo Tensei, Orochimaru wouldn't have had performed the jutsu if he had killed Orochimaru when he had first discovered his true intentions.
  
• Name a few problems in which I haven't already dismissed with my above responses. Saying every problem in the leaf was Tobirama's fault is inaccurate.

[Thundercles]

I feel honored to have my post ignored (#26) by the great Dr. Proof.

Well there is the problem! His name is DrProof. He doesn't need the period OR the space.

[TheChosenWarrior]

Tobirama actions were selfish. His intentions were based upon protecting the senji linage. He isolation the uchiha due to the fear of an uprising and disturbance of peace, which was based off the "Will of Madara" manipulating others. He screwed up everything that Hashirama built

[Unbiased King]

well there is the problem! His name is drproof. He doesn't need the period or the space.

OF COURSE!
:sy:
How could I have been so careless? My sincerest apologies DrProof.

[DrProof]

How does bringing back the dead help against the "wild infatuation" amongst the Uchiha?

Sure they get to see the ones they love, but the MS has already sprouted and is irreversible; I didn't pick up the sense that Tobirama described this anguish as children going on a rampage.

I already stated that the "wild infatuation problem" turned into the Mangekyou Sharingan hence the problem being the despair which would unlock the deadly doujutsu. And I wasn't referring to Edo Tensei allowing them to see the clans loved ones, I was referring to it putting an end to the Uchiha Clan (killing them if they got to unstable).

And I wasn't ignoring you, I just hadn't seen the post.

Tobirama actions were selfish. His intentions were based upon protecting the senji linage. He isolation the uchiha due to the fear of an uprising and disturbance of peace, which was based off the "Will of Madara" manipulating others. He screwed up everything that Hashirama built

His actions were for the village, his intentions were based on protecting the village, his actions to isolate the Uchiha were to protect the village, and to give them something they were skilled at (killing/fighting), and to protect themselves from suicide. The Will of Madara was inherited easily most likely due to the same recurring events happening again, and again (losing their loved ones, unlocking Mangekyou Sharingan etc.). He didn't screw Hashirama's proclaimed village, he reinforced it.

[drknght]

I think your reading to much into what COULD have happened rather than what DID happen. Tobirama didn't kill any Uchiha's, as well he didn't treat them like dogs. He gave them freedom like any of the villagers except he gave them more responsibilities, which in turn turned into power (the police department).

So you're saying based on your logic, that you'd let a criminal kill your mother, father, and/or brother/sister WITH YOU KNOWING they were going to commit the said act, but you wouldn't act on it due to you not believing that is a logical reaction to the problem?

Tobirama, Danzo, what's the difference? It doesn't matter who did it. I'm talking about the way of thinking. Uchihas wanted to start Coup d'état, which was directed at the government, and not random people. They didn't want to be enslaved.

If someone was to kill my relatives, I would obviously try to prevent it. It's because you are allowed to kill someone in self-defense or defense of life in general. But, you are mixing two unrelated things together. Because however, during our lives we tend to follow our own principles, for which people are ready to die. And that's praiseworthy. I'm guessing you would rather want to sit there tightly, and wait and obey your owner, rather than fight for freedom. Well, that's your choice. Only the people that put their self-actualization needs above the psychological ones, can be differentiated from animals.

[godzillard]

nicer try to be that tobirama

[DrProof]

Tobirama, Danzo, what's the difference? It doesn't matter who did it. I'm talking about the way of thinking. Uchihas wanted to start Coup d'état, which was directed at the government, and not random people. They didn't want to be enslaved.

If someone was to kill my relatives, I would obviously try to prevent it. It's because you are allowed to kill someone in self-defense or defense of life in general. But, you are mixing two unrelated things together. Because however, during our lives we tend to follow our own principles, for which people are ready to die. And that's praiseworthy. I'm guessing you would rather want to sit there tightly, and wait and obey your owner, rather than fight for freedom. Well, that's your choice. Only the people that put their self-actualization needs above the psychological ones, can be differentiated from animals.

That whole second paragraph goes contradicts to what you said previously.

Well, now you have a big ass war about it. How is that for a great future? There wouldn't be any plans of rebellion, if Tobirama would have been more respectful, and didn't treat Uchihas like a dogs. What was the purpose of slaughtering the innocent people? They didn't do anything wrong. We don't know if they would comprise their own home. Words are just words, only actions matter. I oppose prevention. It's basically treating a person like a complete moron, to tell what will a person do beforehand. Let people do as they please, but when they commit the crime, THEN you punish them, not before.

[SilverSlick]

However despite your use of grammer and paragraphing.

Tobirama Was still a fascist and a discriminator

Listen Matey I don't care how many thesauruses you regurgitated.

Siding with Tobirama isn't much different then siding with Hitler.

Hashirama settled the conflict between Uchiha and Senju clans. Uchihas gave up the position of the ruler, and that wasn't enough, they started to be treated as a felonies. Tobirama basically brought the whole conflict back. It was highly prejudice to put Uchihas to ghetto. They didn't do anything wrong. They were planning rebellion, but that doesn't justify Tobirama. You don't punish a crimminal before he commits a crime. Hashirama was/is a man, Tobirama is a piece of ****.

Haters gon hate. Wankers gon wank. Debators gon debate. Procrastinators gon procrastinate. Potatos gon potate.

Please, Tobirama is fabulous.