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    Re: (DrProof) Tobirama's Resolve

    Quote Originally Posted by Garamond
    Exactly my point, the ones who corrupted it made it into a bad look on Tobirama, but they were only doing their job as they are the villains of the story.
    Exactly what I was thinking, people actually need to think it out and figure out the truth instead of jumping to pointless conclusions.
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by Serotonin View Post
    Listen Matey I don't care how many thesauruses you regurgitated.

    Siding with Tobirama isn't much different then siding with Hitler.
    Let's getting something straight, if you cannot comprehend what is barely 8th grade grammar, and wording then you sir can please escort yourself out of this thread.

    Another thing, using a baseless logic such as "siding with Tobirama isn't much different as to siding with Hitler" is rhetorical.


    Quote Originally Posted by Serotonin View Post
    Listen Matey I don't care how many thesauruses you regurgitated.

    Siding with Tobirama isn't much different then siding with Hitler.
    Let's getting something straight, if you cannot comprehend what is barely 8th grade grammar, and wording then you sir can please escort yourself out of this thread.

    Another thing, using a baseless logic such as "siding with Tobirama isn't much different as to siding with Hitler" is rhetorical.


    Quote Originally Posted by The Alchemist View Post
    I agree. Tobirama may have seemed a hard ass but he had to be. What if you had a village full of bloodthirsty, OP ocular having, warrior based clan with the emotional control of a spoiled four year old in your village?! What he did was completely logical, the haters are just immature whiners, LOL! I think you've changed my mind about you Dr. Proof. You won me over again with your sound logic.
    Exactly my point! It was simply illogical to keep Mangekyou Sharingan wild Uchiha around. The instability that they presented was just to risky, Tobirama had to do something.
    Quote Originally Posted by Inanimated View Post
    You're right, Tobirama only wanted to protect his village. I see nothing wrong with what he did, otherwise they would have rebelled a lot earlier in my opinion.
    Another brilliant point, the Uchiha would have most definitely rebelled earlier if Tobirama hadn't have taken his justified actions against the Clan. It was only logical.
     
         
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    Re: (DrProof) Tobirama's Resolve

    Hashirama settled the conflict between Uchiha and Senju clans. Uchihas gave up the position of the ruler, and that wasn't enough, they started to be treated as a felonies. Tobirama basically brought the whole conflict back. It was highly prejudice to put Uchihas to ghetto. They didn't do anything wrong. They were planning rebellion, but that doesn't justify Tobirama. You don't punish a crimminal before he commits a crime. Hashirama was/is a man, Tobirama is a piece of ****.
     
         

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    Re: (DrProof) Tobirama's Resolve

    Quote Originally Posted by DrProof View Post
    Let's getting something straight, if you cannot comprehend what is barely 8th grade grammar, and wording then you sir can please escort yourself out of this thread.

    Another thing, using a baseless logic such as "siding with Tobirama isn't much different as to siding with Hitler" is rhetorical.
    I can comprehend it, so can everyone else and I understand what your saying.
    But in the end all I read was well structured wank with grammer that is unnecessarily pretentious.
     
         
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    Re: (DrProof) Tobirama's Resolve

    Quote Originally Posted by drknght View Post
    Hashirama settled the conflict between Uchiha and Senju clans. Uchihas gave up the position of the ruler, and that wasn't enough, they started to be treated as a felonies. Tobirama basically brought the whole conflict back. It was highly prejudice to put Uchihas to ghetto. They didn't do anything wrong. They were planning rebellion, but that doesn't justify Tobirama. You don't punish a crimminal before he commits a crime. Hashirama was/is a man, Tobirama is a piece of ****.

    You don't punish a criminal that has plans to compromise your own home? In what sense is this? If Tobirama had not taken care of the problem then, and there they might have not had a future.
     
         

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    Re: (DrProof) Tobirama's Resolve

    How does bringing back the dead help against the "wild infatuation" amongst the Uchiha?

    Sure they get to see the ones they love, but the MS has already sprouted and is irreversible; I didn't pick up the sense that Tobirama described this anguish as children going on a rampage.
     
         

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    Re: (DrProof) Tobirama's Resolve

    Quote Originally Posted by Serotonin View Post
    I can comprehend it, so can everyone else and I understand what your saying.
    But in the end all I read was well structured wank with grammer that is unnecessarily pretentious.

    Faggot boy.
    Being pretentious in the use of 8th grade grammar/wording? What logic is this? All this while insulting me with such a phrase? Why are you so offended?

    PS: You spelled "grammar" incorrectly.
     
         

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    Re: (DrProof) Tobirama's Resolve

    Wait...

    Perhaps I'm understanding something wrong, but what did Tobirama do to the Uchiha that was bad? In what way did he restrict their autonomy?

    Let's consider a few things:

    1) The Uchiha warred with the Senju for some time.
    2) The Senju won the war but allowed the Uchiha to join them in the city of Konoha out of good will.
    3) Knowing that the Uchiha are emotional time bombs, Tobirama encouraged them to be the police of Konoha. (He didn't force them to join as far as I know.)

    Honestly, the Senju would be justified in killing everyone in the clan after the Senju won the war, but decided against it. Eventually, Hiruzen had to have the entire clan annihilated because they could not remain in a civil society.

    So what did Tobirama do to the Uchiha that was bad? He did not restrict their freedom in any way. Uchiha were citizens just like the rest of Konoha.
     
         

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    Nice job
     
         

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    Re: (DrProof) Tobirama's Resolve

    I agree. Tobirama was a realist and did what he had to do and how he saw fit to do it. He was around when these so called "allies" we're enemies. You can't blame him for being so wary of them.
     
         

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    Re: (DrProof) Tobirama's Resolve

    nice stuff man.
     
         

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    Re: (DrProof) Tobirama's Resolve

    Quote Originally Posted by DrProof View Post

    You don't punish a criminal that has plans to compromise your own home? In what sense is this? If Tobirama had not taken care of the problem then, and there they might have not had a future.
    Well, now you have a big ass war about it. How is that for a great future? There wouldn't be any plans of rebellion, if Tobirama would have been more respectful, and didn't treat Uchihas like a dogs. What was the purpose of slaughtering the innocent people? They didn't do anything wrong. We don't know if they would comprise their own home. Words are just words, only actions matter. I oppose prevention. It's basically treating a person like a complete moron, to tell what will a person do beforehand. Let people do as they please, but when they commit the crime, THEN you punish them, not before.
     
         

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    Re: (DrProof) Tobirama's Resolve

    Quote Originally Posted by drknght View Post
    Well, now you have a big ass war about it. How is that for a great future? There wouldn't be any plans of rebellion, if Tobirama would have been more respectful, and didn't treat Uchihas like a dogs. What was the purpose of slaughtering the innocent people? They didn't do anything wrong. We don't know if they would comprise their own home. Words are just words, only actions matter. I oppose prevention. It's basically treating a person like a complete moron, to tell what will a person do beforehand. Let people do as they please, but when they commit the crime, THEN you punish them, not before.
    How did Tobirama treat the Uchiha "like dogs?"

    He encouraged them to join the Konoha police force as a way to keep their emotions in check.

    He did not punish or restrict them in any fashion that I know of.
     
         

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    Re: (DrProof) Tobirama's Resolve

    Quote Originally Posted by drknght View Post
    Well, now you have a big ass war about it. How is that for a great future? There wouldn't be any plans of rebellion, if Tobirama would have been more respectful, and didn't treat Uchihas like a dogs. What was the purpose of slaughtering the innocent people? They didn't do anything wrong. We don't know if they would comprise their own home. Words are just words, only actions matter. I oppose prevention. It's basically treating a person like a complete moron, to tell what will a person do beforehand. Let people do as they please, but when they commit the crime, THEN you punish them, not before.
    How was he to know a war would come? Also, I've never put a dog in charge of a police force. So, they should have let the Uchiha rebel and kill many innocent Konoha villagers and throw the entire village into chaos, allowing other villages to come in and rape, murder, and plunder? Good logic there. Good chat.
     
         

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    Re: (DrProof) Tobirama's Resolve

    Quote Originally Posted by DrProof View Post
    Then why exactly is all this continuous baseless hate going around if the majority already know this? Is it because they deny manga facts? Or is it because they didn't exactly know it all?
    You're right, but let's not forget that Tobirama represents the truth, and a lot of people don't like the truth, for some reason.

    I can't stand people who dislike the truth...
     
         

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    Re: (DrProof) Tobirama's Resolve

    It is Tobirama's fault that the Uchiha clan is gone, it is his fault that the 3rd Hokage Hiruzen died, his wretched technique. Every single Hidden Leaf problem has some ties to Tobirama, I do not favor him like I did anymore.
     
         

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    Re: (DrProof) Tobirama's Resolve

    Quote Originally Posted by drknght View Post
    Well, now you have a big ass war about it. How is that for a great future? There wouldn't be any plans of rebellion, if Tobirama would have been more respectful, and didn't treat Uchihas like a dogs. What was the purpose of slaughtering the innocent people? They didn't do anything wrong. We don't know if they would comprise their own home. Words are just words, only actions matter. I oppose prevention. It's basically treating a person like a complete moron, to tell what will a person do beforehand. Let people do as they please, but when they commit the crime, THEN you punish them, not before.
    I think your reading to much into what COULD have happened rather than what DID happen. Tobirama didn't kill any Uchiha's, as well he didn't treat them like dogs. He gave them freedom like any of the villagers except he gave them more responsibilities, which in turn turned into power (the police department).

    So you're saying based on your logic, that you'd let a criminal kill your mother, father, and/or brother/sister WITH YOU KNOWING they were going to commit the said act, but you wouldn't act on it due to you not believing that is a logical reaction to the problem?
     
         

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    Re: (DrProof) Tobirama's Resolve

    We should all have learned something by now... Always follow what the Shodai tells you to follow.
     
         

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    Re: (DrProof) Tobirama's Resolve

    I never hated Tobirama :D
     
         

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    Re: (DrProof) Tobirama's Resolve

    Quote Originally Posted by DrProof View Post
    I think your reading to much into what COULD have happened rather than what DID happen. Tobirama didn't kill any Uchiha's, as well he didn't treat them like dogs. He gave them freedom like any of the villagers except he gave them more responsibilities, which in turn turned into power (the police department).

    So you're saying based on your logic, that you'd let a criminal kill your mother, father, and/or brother/sister WITH YOU KNOWING they were going to commit the said act, but you wouldn't act on it due to you not believing that is a logical reaction to the problem?
    Glad I'm not the only who sees the flaw in his "logic".
     
         

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