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    Re: (DrProof) Tobirama's Resolve

    Quote Originally Posted by Carlhens View Post
    He did what he had to do to protect the village that is all that was matter to him...
    Then he could not unite with Uchiha. This is the most funny excuse that I've heard in a while.
     
         
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    Re: (DrProof) Tobirama's Resolve

    Quote Originally Posted by Draxus View Post
    I'm pretty sure all this hate comes from the simple fact Hashi said, "I told you to stop prosecuting the Uchia!"

    This one statement coupled with Tobirama's cold/abrasive personality, framed his entire explanation in a negative light for more impressionable readers.
    Their hatred stems from their unique neurobiological makeup, Tobirama pointed that out clearly, they were predisposed to strong reckless emotions.
     
         

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    Re: (DrProof) Tobirama's Resolve

    Tobirama was not trying to punish the Uchiha,he was trying to prevent the destruction which they were capable of. Tobirama did it all to protect his village.I believe Itachi saw the logic in what Tobirama and hence wiped the Uchiha out before this destruction began.
     
         

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    Re: (DrProof) Tobirama's Resolve

    Quote Originally Posted by claudioike1 View Post
    Tobirama was not trying to punish the Uchiha,he was trying to prevent the destruction which they were capable of. Tobirama did it all to protect his village.I believe Itachi saw the logic in what Tobirama and hence wiped the Uchiha out before this destruction began.
    You're just one ignorant idiot. Uchiha is a part of the so called village you're trying to mention. By taking away the chance of them to be in the policy of Konoha you can't expect nothing less but hatred.

    Tobirama cared for his so called own village and not the village that Hashirama or Hiruzen was trying to build.
    So rid of your mind that utter crap that Senju is the only importance of that village.
     
         

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    Re: (DrProof) Tobirama's Resolve

    Maybe the word resolution would be more appropriate. Resolve as a noun means determination and will
     
         

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    Re: (DrProof) Tobirama's Resolve

    but there is a pit fall

    i don't think tobirama's idea would have worked at in the way he thinks that The Uchiha will use MS to protect the village from harm because he gain the MS only with the intention of vengeance for the loved one they have lost. They will definitely no use the power to protect the village from where they were isolated

    please tell if you have anything to say
     
         

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    Re: (DrProof) Tobirama's Resolve

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    Exactly, and good point.

    But why wouldn't he be exhibit fascism, or discrimination to the clan who fought his own countless times? Wouldn't display the same actions to someone who tried to kill your family, but then you found out that they were actually your step sisters/brothers (step family)?

    Wait a minute...are you actually condoning fascism based on personal bitterness and grievance? HOLY COW ! ! ! !
    Tobirama was a bad guy...he was paranoid and insanely nationalistic (village-istic?)
    You can state the obvious and reiterate the reasons he did what he did, but that doesn't make it right. Hiruzen's logic was also misguided. Tobirama created the problem out of fear and hatred and Hiruzen and Danzo facilitated genocide. The village really isn't a nice place and it's built on lies. Hashirama seems to have been the only humane one among them all!
     
         

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    Re: (DrProof) Tobirama's Resolve

    I think tobirama is funny not a douche.
     
         

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    Re: (DrProof) Tobirama's Resolve

    if tobirama was such a "bad" guy why didn't he just wipe out the uchiha? he saw they could still be a use to the village, i mean looking back his choice seems to have had the opposite effect tho and created more problems then it solved
     
         

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    Re: (DrProof) Tobirama's Resolve

    great thread, i totally agree with you. As an adult i view the Uchiha as immature savages, what i mean by that is that they were using their love to create hate to gain power, once they received this power they would become uncontrollable. i understand you lose loved ones EVERYONE goes through this so i don't see it as an excuse for them to seek revenge, avenge...w/e. this was THE ONLY WAY to monitor them and keep them under control without physical force. they wanted to be leaders so whether you coner them or not they weren't going to be happy unless they had control of the village so a coup d'e tat was inevitable.


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    Re: (DrProof) Tobirama's Resolve

    This was my thinking exactly, Dr.Proof.

    Tobirama was not as evil as they say he was!
     
         

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    Re: (DrProof) Tobirama's Resolve

    This all hate against Tobirama despite contradicting manga facts is due because the victims of the justice were Uchiha, if it were against someone else everyone'd be like 'serves them right'...
    :sy: Uchiha fans...
     
         

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    Re: (DrProof) Tobirama's Resolve

    the one who created jutsu should have known the risks of jutsu, as we can see now the jutsu served as badly as it could. nothing worse than making madara(leader of all hatred and negative morality) immortal with unlimited chakra
     
         

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    Re: (DrProof) Tobirama's Resolve

    Well let me see. Obito loses his GF goes crazy. Sasuke loses his brother goes crazy. Madara it seems loses his bro goes crazy. Gotta say I agree with they guy. Itachi is the odd one out. Though I disagree with the fact that all Uchiha are like that from what we have seen he is not wrong. They are 3:1 in terms of being able to control their anger and Tobirama suggested that there were more and I think he may of seen it happen. It seems that Uchiha cant control there emotions and I understand what he means by " A clan possessed by evil" They go after revenge and cant forgive. I am not saying that all Uchiha are like that but from all the Uchiha we have seen it seems that he was right. I hope Sasuke can see this himself and changes.
     
         

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    Re: (DrProof) Tobirama's Resolve

    i agree on everything, but how do you use Edo Tensei for good? ...
     
         

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    Re: (DrProof) Tobirama's Resolve

    Quote Originally Posted by Saiya-Jin Prince View Post
    I hope you know you're probably the biggest contributor to his hottest thread, by constantly leaving your hate comments. I disagree with this thread, but I'm just letting you know.
     
         

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    Re: (DrProof) Tobirama's Resolve

    very reminiscent of what Frieza did with the saiyans. keeping a watchful eye on them, fearing that one would become strong enough to challenge him for the right to rule. Tobirama fears are similar. he fears that another Madara would rise among the Uchiha's and challenge the hokage
     
         

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    Re: (DrProof) Tobirama's Resolve

    Quote Originally Posted by DrProof View Post
    Inaccuracy


    Constant threads about Tobirama's reasoning for him doing what had to be done to the Uchiha, has brought hate to his characters, along with the war-loved technique Edo Tensei. Being as the Uchiha had immense infatuation to their loved ones, losing such would cause them great despair causing them to awaken the Sharingan, but not just a regular Sharingan, the Mangekyou Sharingan. This provided a problem, wild Uchiha with Mangekyou Sharingans something had to be done, and Tobirama had done it (no matter how brutal, or evil it intended to sound it was all for the village).

    Tobirama gave them a fitting position in order to use their "confused infatuation problems" (going wild with power; Mangekyou Sharingan) as to why the Police Department was created (solely for the Uchiha). Why is this wrong? Why is this unnecessary hate appointed to Tobirama? He was thinking with his head, and his heart he wanted to protect his village from harm which he did successfully in his Era. So what exactly was wrong with the following actions?


    • Creating the Konoha Police Department for the Uchiha Clan.
    • Using their power for good (to keep the prisoners isolated, and away from villagers).
    • Trying to silence "Madara's Will" from the Uchiha's.
    • Protecting the Hidden Leaf Village from the Uchiha's "wild infatuation problems".
    • To keep themselves out of harms way, so that the Uchiha's themselves don't recklessly suicide.



    Seemingly that is only half of the problem for the ongoing hate Tobirama is constantly getting due to today's current chapter. "Edo Tensei is the cause of this war", "Edo Tensei should have never been created", "Tobirama is truly evil for creating Edo Tensei" these are all statements I've come to hear, but do you all conclude the possibilities as to why Tobirama created such a technique? As to why it would bring back a numerous of dead shinobi? To aid the Leaf Village.

    In wars such as this Tobirama created the Edo Tensei (most-probable) to aid the Leaf Village in wars, or to deal with the Uchiha Clan's instability, undying shinobi who could only be defeated due to sealing jutsu. Edo Tensei was truly presumed evil due to Orochimaru performing it, leading to Kabuto using it in the current war arc we are presented now, Orochimaru was truly the one to corrupt the concept of the jutsu, with Madara doing it some justice admitting that the creation of the jutsu could enable an army to wipe out a map. Orochimaru was right, Hashirama probably had stated the same Edo Tensei shouldn't have been created, however it had good intentions, but was abused with the wrong users.


    Conclusion


    • Tobirama settles the Uchiha's "wild infatuation problem" so no harm comes to the village (the main objective)
    • Power is given to the Uchiha Clan to put to use their Mangekyou Sharingan's incredible power (protecting the village, and chances of getting themselves killed)
    • Edo Tensei created to stop wars, and instability of the Uchiha Clan, but later used for corrupted purposes (attacking the Leaf Village, and support the war)
    • Look at the situation from Tobirama's point of view, what would you have done? (You can't please everyone)


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    Addition by Derp Obito:
    You forgot 1 thing the uchiha were at peace and willing to work with the leaf tilll they were still hated mainly by tobi despite the fact that they sided with Harashima over madara and kicked him out.

    The small pro Madara group didnt surface till after tobirama started cracking on them.

    He was just another danzo

    he should have been more helpful and firm at the same time
     
         

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    Re: (DrProof) Tobirama's Resolve

    Quote Originally Posted by Gdamon View Post
    i agree on everything, but how do you use Edo Tensei for good? ...
    use it on your enemy by sacrificing an enemy? it's a sure fire way to not have casualties on your side... that being said I dislike the jutsu... nice thread btw Dr, who wouldn't be weary of emotionally unstable people who can use flames, that can not be put out as teenagers or even younger... sounds like it would be necessary to keep an eye on them
     
         

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    Re: (DrProof) Tobirama's Resolve

    i agree with you.as it was definitely not the right thing to do,it was the best he could do.
     
         

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