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    Itachi, the wise...

    According to the manga, at the age of 7, Itachi's wisdom was on par with that of a Hokage, as said by the Hokage who has spent the most time as Hokage, by far:


    And once again, this is Hiruzen who was speaking, who lived during Hashirama and Tobirama's reign as Hokage, and Minato's reign of Hokage.

    So, don't say Itachi wasn't anything special before he got the sharingan (which he got at age 8). He was clearly some hot stuff.
     
         

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    Re: Itachi, the wise...

    he meant he knew that life and saftey of the village came first..
    and everything isnt what it seems
    and you have to do bad things sometimes to make a good outcome
     
         

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    Re: Itachi, the wise...

    itachi the wise
    me likes the sound of dat
    :scorps:
     
         

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    Re: Itachi, the wise...

    So Itachi's knowledge is on par with Tsunade?
     
         

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    Re: Itachi, the wise...

    Dang.Didnt know people could take something so small to make it huge.
     
         

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    ....dude, seriously?
     
         

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    Re: Itachi, the wise...

    Itachi certainly had the intelligence. He would have been a hokage had the uchiha massacre not occurred. I'm still surprised that the uchiha were more compassionate than the senju.
     
         

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    Re: Itachi, the wise...

    Quote Originally Posted by Meido View Post
    So Itachi's knowledge is on par with Tsunade?
    Hiruzen just recently learned that Tsunade became Hokage.

    He was referring to Minato, himself, Hashirama, and Tobirama's wisdom.

    Quote Originally Posted by fastrthnwind View Post
    ....dude, seriously?
    Don't worry. I don't really "like" any other character than Tobirama. It's just something that I spotted.
     
         

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    Re: Itachi, the wise...

    He is smart...
     
         

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    Re: Itachi, the wise...

    Quote Originally Posted by godzillard View Post
    he meant he knew that life and saftey of the village came first..
    and everything isnt what it seems
    and you have to do bad things sometimes to make a good outcome
    yes.
     
         

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    Re: Itachi, the wise...

    Itachi was a boss :scorps:
     
         

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    Re: Itachi, the wise...

    I don't know if that's the correct translation, but he is pretty smart, but I doubt he was on par with Shikaku.
     
         

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    Re: Itachi, the wise...

    Quote Originally Posted by USSJ Future Trunks View Post
    ^ i cant think of a single good outcome that could result from destroying a child's sanity and faith in his idol/older brother.
    who was that for ? me?
     
         

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    Re: Itachi, the wise...

    His reasoning...

    His ****ing reasoning...

    He can make the hard decisions, he can't beat Tsunade no diff without Sharingan at 7 because he has good REASONING.

    STOP TRYING TO HYPE THAT STUPID ****** UP
     
         

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    Re: Itachi, the wise...

    Quote Originally Posted by Kages View Post
    I don't know if that's the correct translation, but he is pretty smart, but I doubt he was on par with Shikaku.
    MangaStream comes out after MangaPanda due in part to the better translations.
    Still on par with the Hokage that Hiruzen was referring to (himself, Minato, Tobirama and Hashirama).

    Quote Originally Posted by ImNotScared View Post
    His reasoning...

    His ****ing reasoning...

    He can make the hard decisions, he can't beat Tsunade no diff without Sharingan at 7 because he has good REASONING.

    STOP TRYING TO HYPE THAT STUPID ****** UP
    You misinterpreted my intentions, good fellow.
    Whoever goes to say that he can beat Tsunade without his sharingan at the age of 7 albeit having wisdom on par with Hashirama, Tobirama, Hiruzen, and Minato is out of their mind. I'm just saying that he's shown to be incredibly wise long before the age many even become shinobi (heck, he probably wasn't even one yet, he graduated at age 7 as well).
     
         
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    Re: Itachi, the wise...

    Quote Originally Posted by USSJ Future Trunks View Post
    yes
    what do you mean...im only talking about real life in naruto okay
    explain yourself
     
         

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    Re: Itachi, the wise...

    Quote Originally Posted by USSJ Future Trunks View Post
    ^ i cant think of a single good outcome that could result from destroying a child's sanity and faith in his idol/older brother.
    The one that would have happened had it not been for Obito. Acquire a considerable amount of strength due to this determination, and get praise for killing a shinobi everyone believed to be a criminal, Itachi Uchiha.
     
         

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    Re: Itachi, the wise...

    sasuke took down oro and no one said anything.

    That's a lie, its well known that people were talking about it..
    after he killed Itachi we even saw ninjas in the bar talking and saying that Sasuke should come hope and be seen as a hero for getting rid of such a criminal

    Without a doubt Itachi's plan would have worked had tobi not intervened.. Sasuke would have had NOTHING more to hate. and his only goal would be the revival and remaking of his clan.... Which is why it was necessary Itachi shouldered ALL the blame, to save the reputation of the clan
     
         

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    Re: Itachi, the wise...

    Quote Originally Posted by USSJ Future Trunks View Post
    sasuke acquired a brutal ruthless loner personality thanks ot itachi. when he got to the final itachi fight he'd already become a national criminal and almost killed a comrade. not to mention sakura on the rooftop.

    do you think orochimaru would be let back into konoha if he took out itachi? sasuke took down oro and no one said anything. not even a pardon. even worse that they thought oro was gone for good and was a greater more destructive threat than itachi who left well enough alone after killing uchihas, for the most part.
    the citizens of konoha and elders arent as forgiving as naruto and tsunade. they can easily overrule her and have sasuke killed. if sasuke resisted it would be all the more evidence he cant be trusted. itachi failed to take this into account. they abused naruto even though naruto is innocent of kyuubi's crimes and a hero

    Nana. When he got to the final fight with Itachi, he had already killed a well known criminal, Orochimaru.

    He also made up in his mind not to kill anyone, Suigetsu even referenced him being a 'leaf ninja'. Which is a testament to his 'softness' at the time.

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    Also, Sasuke made it clear to Itachi that he wasn't going to kill a friend for the sake of more power, as he believed Itachi did. In retrospect, Sasuke's aim was to be everything Itachi wasn't, because he hated everything Itachi was. Like I said, had it not been for Obito.

    He did kinda have a loner personality, but he was a rather gentle soul. I would say he was far from 'evil' or 'bad'.


    Later.
     
         

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    Itachi should become hokage but it is too late. Oh well..
     
         

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    Re: Itachi, the wise...

    Quote Originally Posted by USSJ Future Trunks View Post
    itachi should become hokage when he tortured brutalised and corrupted a small child? nice.
    And yet that child, "the victim", and everyone in the manga that knows what Itachi has done, view Itachi as a hero. It's manga fact that Itachi's actions saved Konohagakure from getting into another war. It was either the Uchiha Clan, or the village. If any of the Hokage were put in the same position, do you doubt that they would carry out the same way? Because even Hiruzen, who loved all of the villagers (which cannot be said for some of the other Hokage), was willing to fight against the Uchiha if necessary.

    You seem to negate the fact that Itachi had the best intentions.
     
         

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    Re: Itachi, the wise...

    Quote Originally Posted by Lilt View Post
    Everybody involved considers Itachi a hero.

    That's how you know you're a biased ****ing hater.
    Hey, calm down, you can get an infraction for that.

    He already explained why he dislikes Itachi. It's common knowledge that he's biased not towards anybody, but biased against Itachi.
     
         

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    Re: Itachi, the wise...

    Quote Originally Posted by USSJ Future Trunks View Post
    sasuke if he had his way would have killed naruto for the MS. but naruto regenerated. cant say itachi is omniscient and knew sasuke would fight a friend who can do that. the very act itachi wanted him to do would have made him as bad as everyone believed itachi to be, via killing comrades.

    after having a moment to reflect. he should have killed naruto with that chidori in the lung in the heat of battle, but kurama intervened.

    he left the village just like itachi. he attacked his friends just like itachi. he joined criminals just like itachi. the only difference between the two was sasuke refused to kill a defenceless unconscious kid whereas itachi slaughtered several

    http://media.beta.photobucket.com/us...g.html?filters[term]=anti%20sasunaru&filters[primary]=images
    (link fail. it was sasuke chidori'ing naruto)
    so perfectly sane and noble upright people join orochimaru just for power?

    1. Wrong, Sasuke was fleeing from the village, and battled Naruto in defense when he tried to stop him. That fight wasn't about obtaining the MS. And yet, Sasuke had the chance to kill Naruto at the end of that fight and obtain the MS and didn't...


    And again, Itachi wanted Sasuke to hate him. And then tells Sasuke to become like him? These are contradictory statements, but only so if one is ignorant to Itachi's true nature and wishes for Sasuke. He obviously didn't want Sasuke to become like him. Anyone who has followed the story knows this. Nor is it normal to consciously become like the man you hate.








    Jiraiya left the village as well, that act alone doesn't mean he's bad. And just because he wanted to pursuit his own wishes doesn't make him the devil. And yes he's had fights and disagreements with friends, but wasn't Naruto attacking him as well? Shouldn't Naruto be considered bad by your standards then? Like I said, Sasuke had a dream and wanted to pursuit it. It doesn't make him evil. And what was his reasoning for joining Oro? To get more training so he can be able to kill the brother that he believed to be evil.


    Itachi represented evil in Sasuke's eyes. If it was bad for Itachi to want Sasuke to hate him, then it must downright evil for Minato to put the hated Fox inside Naruto on the belief of some prophecy. He can't even rid it lest he die. For all he knew, he could become just like Gaara.


    As a matter of fact, 'a good outcome' was more likely in Sasuke's case than in Naruto's.


    Anyway, your original statement was that you can't think of one good outcome. You keep dodging the FACT that had it not been for Obito, Sasuke would be fine. Maybe he had a loner personality, but send him to hell for that, right?
     
         
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    Re: Itachi, the wise...

    I getting bored of itachi wankery
     
         

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    Re: Itachi, the wise...

    Quote Originally Posted by yellowxflash View Post
    I getting bored of itachi wankery
    I mean, if you consider what is outright said in the manga as "wanking", that's all you.
     
         

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