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    Re: Underestimated Joker

    Quote Originally Posted by Lt Fresh View Post
    I just thought that having those 5 strong guys against 1 warlord would be enough. The strawhats have taken on other warlords before so I thought Joker would be no different. But seeing what Joker can do made me realize he was no joke.



    Those very 2 Warlords Luffy fought and beat Law could have done the same, I don't say he couldn't. Law could have taken out Gekko much faster than Luffy did, and Law would only have trouble with Crocodile because he was a Logia user.

    It took the strawhats and Kuma's help to beat which ever PX they fought. Don't forget Kuma sent that robot flying.

    You can't say Luffy was stronger than Law in part 1, We saw Law do 2 things in the first part, 1) fight some marines with Kid and Luffy, 2) Fight PX-7 with Kid
    -Even in the fight with PX-7 we saw how fast Law's room tech was. He shifted the bear with the big guy in a flash.

    Once an enemy is in his room they are at his mercy, he can basically do what ever he likes.
    -Luffy would have to leave Law's dome, but have to enter if he wants to hit Law. But Law can do as he pleases which means, steal hearts, and cut whom ever up
    When you say that that Law could of beat the 2 warlords Luffy beat pre-timeskip, are you referring to Law as pre-timeskip or or post time skip. Because if you are meaning post-time skip than yes i will agree with you because Law is definately strong post-timeskip. But he would have trouble with Crocodile.

    Now let me correct you,The Straw Hats took down one PX by themselves and were having trouble fighting another PX and Kizaru, thats when Kuma and Rayliegh helped out.

    Luffy was stronger than Law in the first part. Yes, Law can summon his room really quickly, but that was to just move two people.

    In a 1v1 between Luffy and Law, I believe that Luffy would come out victorious, but it would be a close one. Yes, Law can cut anything he wants with his devil fruit, but you forget that he has to cut them. You are forgetting the speed Luffy has. I dont think that Luffy would let Law draw out his sword and let Law cut him.

    The only reason that Vergo was cut was because Vergo was overly confident on his Haki and didn't think that Law could cut him. If Vergo knew Law could cut him than the fight would of been different.

    All im saying is that right now from reading the manga, Luffy could pull out a victory against Law. But we haven't really seen both of the characters go all out in the manga so it is a toss up on who would win.
     
         

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    Re: Underestimated Joker

    Quote Originally Posted by Lt Fresh View Post
    -Smoker will get on Luffy's level, he isn't far from it.

    -Smoker wasn't fully fighting Vergo, he was trying to get Law's heart back

    -When it comes down to a fight Law's power trumps Luffy's. Law wins that fight

    -Lastly Joker has proven to be on a whole nother level than the three of them. Law is afraid to fight him and Smoker got whipped, Luffy won't be able to do much. Plus Joker said the StrawHats are a joke
    The strawhats can **** Joker*** up. Moriah said they were a joke and so did crocodile. Look what happened to them.
     
         

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    Re: Underestimated Joker

    Quote Originally Posted by KakuzuHatesMoney View Post
    The strawhats can **** Joker*** up. Moriah said they were a joke and so did crocodile. Look what happened to them.
    Yeah, Luffy will solo him. People say that right now, DD is way stronger than him, but we haven't seen Luffy close to going all out. If they fight, I'm expecting it to tire Luffy almost to the extent when he fought Lucci
     
         

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    Re: Underestimated Joker

    DD would STOMP luffy. Luffy is just a little bit stronger than Smoker like the gap between Vergo and sanji.
     
         

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    Re: Underestimated Joker

    Quote Originally Posted by VariaBossX View Post
    Ray did not train him for 6months, it was 1yr and 6months, the rest luffy created new abilities. Law only killed 100 no name pirates and planned on his whole SAD takeover. Law has no feats compare to luffy, Law wasn't chosen to be a warlord, he made an over like blackbeard. Luffy beat 2 warlord pre timeskip, it took heart pirates and kid pirates to beat px-7, while it took the whole strawhat crew to beat there own android. Luffy has been stronger than law since pre timeskip and you wasnt me to believe law all of a sudden can beat luffy? I don't think so.
    law maybe stronger than luffy!!!!!
    I really think so......its not that plain......there's a dark twist in law's situation!
    I think its kind of like Gin or aizen and how they hid their real powers!
    Law is kind of unique.......his powers aint zoan, paramecia or logia......once he is in his circle he is in complete control..we still dont know how big he can make it but i believe when he cut vergo he made it big enough to cover punk hazard!
    i also think law did something to luffy when he treated him!
     
         
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    Re: Underestimated Joker

    Quote Originally Posted by The 1 who knows View Post
    law maybe stronger than luffy!!!!!
    I really think so......its not that plain......there's a dark twist in law's situation!
    I think its kind of like Gin or aizen and how they hid their real powers!
    Law is kind of unique.......his powers aint zoan, paramecia or logia......once he is in his circle he is in complete control..we still dont know how big he can make it but i believe when he cut vergo he made it big enough to cover punk hazard!
    i also think law did something to luffy when he treated him!
    The **** did i just read his devil fruit is a paramecia -_-
     
         

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    Re: Underestimated Joker

    Quote Originally Posted by Simple Math View Post
    doesn't mean the same will happen to Joker. argument invalid.




    neither have we seen Joker go all out. argument invalid.
    People still say that he's way stronger than him. Argument valid
     
         

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    Re: Underestimated Joker

    Quote Originally Posted by VariaBossX View Post
    1. Jozu was fighting crocodile, that's cheating to attack from behind
    2. Your teilling me he can beat crococdile? No
    3. Cutting oar's leg shouldn't be hard after Kuma Ursa shock him with an island busting move
    4. He got hit with crocodiles shables, he dodged nothing.

    I'm not flaming or misjudging you, but ppl seem to be over exaggerating doflamingo's level and implying that he is Admiral level. :/
    Cheat? Jozu couldn't move, the fact stands.. Doflamingo could have gotten him from up front, it doesn't matter.
    Crocodile is nothing compared to Doflamingo, just like Moria is nothing. Crocodile and Moria are the weakest shichibukai and Doflamingo, Mihawk and Kuma basically toy with them.
    He didn't dodge Crocodile in the war, that's not what I even meant.
     
         

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    Re: Underestimated Joker

    Quote Originally Posted by Simple Math View Post
    my argument can't be invalid since I never said that.

    but I would'nt be surprised if Joker was capable of soloing the straw hats. Oda is serious when he hype his characters up.
    What I'm saying is, that won't happen. Not because he can't, but if we're gonna see him fight, it will be 1-on-1 fight with Luffy, or maybe even Law. That's what I like about One Piece, there's almost always single matchups
     
         

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    Re: Underestimated Joker

    Quote Originally Posted by ~Yubel~ View Post
    No, i mean if strawhats entered new world without training two years, what'd make their fates any different then the supernovas? Some who are weaker than Luffy since he was one of the top supernovas pre-timeskip. Anyway, i think people are overating Luffy while underating his enemies. I don't know about you but Luffy better impress me next arc, Zoro got more shine than him as it is.
    Luffy lost to Ceasar because he is underestimating him and carefree. If a bloodlusted luffy fight Caesar, he would beat the **** out of him with ease.
     
         

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    Re: Underestimated Joker

    I agree, sorry for not answering soon enough but I've been through exams, Joker will absolutely try to flee form Aokiji, now the fact remains in whether he allows him to do so. As Aokiji vs Joker develop I hope we can finally see Aokiji's real force cause even in White Beard's war he didn't show off as much as we hoped. I'm hoping for some real fight, this Fishman and Punk Hazard's fights have been just some previous show before the main event. It is like seeing him fight Don Krieg or Arlong before all the Baroque Works saga began, I mean, you did know there would be the main event ahead but you were just waiting for Crocodile and the CP9 to show full stuff. So right now we'll wait for Joker vs Luffy or Luffy vs Yonkou, whatever happens first, that'll be some real shit!!
     
         

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    Re: Underestimated Joker

    Quote Originally Posted by Laserz View Post
    Luffy lost to Ceasar because he is underestimating him and carefree. If a bloodlusted luffy fight Caesar, he would beat the **** out of him with ease.
    I do agree with you, and though it's true that Zoro shined further than him, It would be way too Naruto or Bleach's stuff if the main character always shined more than anyone else. So let's say Zoro did a great job, and he has improved to a far new level, but i still think Luffy has been taking everything as a joke, I haven't seen him go as exhausted as it did with Moria or with Luci, perhaps Joker or Kaido will force him to do so. I personally don't think he'll lose a fight soon enough, he's been through this two years time skip so it'd be a lame to show us he's only improved enough to defeat some fishmen or a mere Joker's soldier (Caesar).
     
         

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    Re: Underestimated Joker

    Quote Originally Posted by orochimaru02 View Post
    I agree, sorry for not answering soon enough but I've been through exams, Joker will absolutely try to flee form Aokiji, now the fact remains in whether he allows him to do so. As Aokiji vs Joker develop I hope we can finally see Aokiji's real force cause even in White Beard's war he didn't show off as much as we hoped. I'm hoping for some real fight, this Fishman and Punk Hazard's fights have been just some previous show before the main event. It is like seeing him fight Don Krieg or Arlong before all the Baroque Works saga began, I mean, you did know there would be the main event ahead but you were just waiting for Crocodile and the CP9 to show full stuff. So right now we'll wait for Joker vs Luffy or Luffy vs Yonkou, whatever happens first, that'll be some real shit!!
    This explanation is the best. The ones Luffy has fought so far, feels like Arlong and Don Krieg. That means hopefully a big fight will happen really soon
     
         

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    Re: Underestimated Joker

    Quote Originally Posted by orochimaru02 View Post
    I do agree with you, and though it's true that Zoro shined further than him, It would be way too Naruto or Bleach's stuff if the main character always shined more than anyone else. So let's say Zoro did a great job, and he has improved to a far new level, but i still think Luffy has been taking everything as a joke, I haven't seen him go as exhausted as it did with Moria or with Luci, perhaps Joker or Kaido will force him to do so. I personally don't think he'll lose a fight soon enough, he's been through this two years time skip so it'd be a lame to show us he's only improved enough to defeat some fishmen or a mere Joker's soldier (Caesar).
    IMO he couldn't even fight on par with Joker or kaido. DD stomped smoker and I doubt luffy is that far ahead of smoker. He needs more improvement to fight Kaido or joker.
     
         

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    Re: Underestimated Joker

    If two years training with Rayleigh aren't enough for Luffy to show how badass he is, then the timeskip will make no sense, and I don't mean that with those two years of training he's now the most powerful pirate, but at least I hope he can show something more than those "Gomu Gomu badass attacks"
     
         

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