[Theory] Madara and the 1st were FRIENDS????????????

[ANBUITACHIUCHIHA]

Every single generation in naruto has a Sasuke/Naruto friendship goin on Sasuke/Naruto obito/Kakashi jiraya/orochimaru...

Notice how Madara speaks about the 1st hokage Nothing but compliments,

notice how the 1st reacts to how his bro speaks about the uchiha. .

if MAdara was such a enemy to the 1st why would they make a statue of him next to the 1st in the valley where naruto and sasuke fought.. it would seem like a hokage would of had to order that (Speculation)

maybe the 1st's brother and madara's brother are the reason that the 1st and madara fought. we know the 2nd hokage thought different then the 1st. i would think it would of went something like Madaras brother gave up his eyes so madara can beat the 1st and live under uchiha ideals instead of senju ideals, and once he sacrificed himself there was no goin back. like when the 2nd said "Madara loved his brother probaly more than you loved your brother"

and notice the second hokage isnt bad mouthing madara he was surprised about madaras actions cuz hes speaking as if he lost control when he said "the deeper the darkness get the more powerful their eyes become and its impossible to handle them like in madaras case.." that doesnt sound like he was expecting it there almost making excuses for him saying he its cuz of his emotions.. what do you think???

[LssJBroly]

Great point.

[Kages]

Nice thread

[smokingtoad]

sounds legit

[Kumomi]

I was thinking the same thing the 2nd time I read this, seems quite possible but it's a little bit of a stretch. Definitely plus rep, nice observation

[Kikki]

I think they were. I even think it was a copy of Naruto/Sasuke. The Uchiha was probably a normal person who lost their brother and went insane over it, just like Sasuke. The first hokage probably tried everything to stop him but had no other choice but fighting him to protect the village. I feel sorry for both of them and hope we will hear more about it when Hashirama talks next week.

Similarities to Naruto and Sasuke:
-Madara and Sasuke were both leaf ninja and both uchiha who awakened the sharingan
-both had a brother that they loved and cared about
-both lost their brother
-both went insane and turned evil, awakened more levels of sharingan
-both were probably friends with the good guy (Hashirama/Naruto) who protected the village
-both sets of people fought in the valley of end
-both Hashirama and Naruto were probably influenced to turn against their former friend, Hashirama alot more though (but Naruto too: remember, Jiraiya said 'give him up')
-both uchiha lost their clan and went their own way, left the village
-both uchiha have the same arrogant personality now

Differences:
-Sasuke wanted to kill the brother that he loved, the brother broke the bond first and made his life hell
-Naruto is not hokage yet but same position to protect the village
-Naruto wants to break the cycle and change destiny, he tries to bring Sasuke back, he is still his friend
-Hashirama probably focussed on hokage duties and gave it up quickly to save Madara
-Hashi and Madara respect each other, Sasuke doesn't respect Naruto
-not sure if they were rivals like Sasuke and Naruto


The story will be tragic, no matter what. That's why I still see chances for tnj.

[MarkPaul]

Yes, it's possible :D

[ANBUITACHIUCHIHA]

I think they were. I even think it was a copy of Naruto/Sasuke. The Uchiha was probably a normal person who lost their brother and went insane over it, just like Sasuke. The first hokage probably tried everything to stop him but had no other choice but fighting him to protect the village. I feel sorry for both of them and hope we will hear more about it when Hashirama talks next week.

Similarities to Naruto and Sasuke:
-Madara and Sasuke were both leaf ninja and both uchiha who awakened the sharingan
-both had a brother that they loved and cared about
-both lost their brother
-both went insane and turned evil, awakened more levels of sharingan
-both were probably friends with the good guy (Hashirama/Naruto) who protected the village
-both sets of people fought in the valley of end
-both Hashirama and Naruto were probably influenced to turn against their former friend, Hashirama alot more though (but Naruto too: remember, Jiraiya said 'give him up')
-both uchiha lost their clan and went their own way, left the village
-both uchiha have the same arrogant personality now

Differences:
-Sasuke wanted to kill the brother that he loved, the brother broke the bond first and made his life hell
-Naruto is not hokage yet but same position to protect the village
-Naruto wants to break the cycle and change destiny, he tries to bring Sasuke back, he is still his friend
-Hashirama probably focussed on hokage duties and gave it up quickly to save Madara
-Hashi and Madara respect each other, Sasuke doesn't respect Naruto
-not sure if they were rivals like Sasuke and Naruto


The story will be tragic, no matter what. That's why I still see chances for tnj.

i agree With everything you said except 2 things..

when the 2nd hokage told the 1st "the only thing that matters is the village you should know that.." i think it implies that the 1st hokage like naruto and jiraya didnt eliminate the threat to the leaf and only wanted to kill the person as a last resort.. the 2nd hokage condemned the threat because it was better for the leaf to have no threats instead of a potential threat

and i think sasuke has alot of respect for naruto.. during flashbacks in the anime when team 7 reunited after the summit it showed sasuke in the past and he was thinking about how much stronger naruto was, and it also showed his breaking point seeing the damage naruto did on the roof at the hospital compared to his chidori.. he asked himself why cant he close the gap.. and even when tobi told sasuke naruto beat pain sasuke started smiling as if he was happy for him..

ppl who followed 1st hokages beliefs = 3rd hokage - 5th hokage - jiraya - Naruto

ppl who followed 2nd hokages beliefs = Leaf elders - Danzo - Itachi

[LolaxXx]

They respected eachother.
But as Tobirama said, the more they fall into darkness the harder they are to reason with, after Madara's brother died, any hope with reasoning with him went out the window.

[Kikki]

i agree With everything you said except 2 things..

when the 2nd hokage told the 1st "the only thing that matters is the village you should know that.." i think it implies that the 1st hokage like naruto and jiraya didnt eliminate the threat to the leaf and only wanted to kill the person as a last resort.. the 2nd hokage condemned the threat because it was better for the leaf to have no threats instead of a potential threat

and i think sasuke has alot of respect for naruto.. during flashbacks in the anime when team 7 reunited after the summit it showed sasuke in the past and he was thinking about how much stronger naruto was, and it also showed his breaking point seeing the damage naruto did on the roof at the hospital compared to his chidori.. he asked himself why cant he close the gap.. and even when tobi told sasuke naruto beat pain sasuke started smiling as if he was happy for him..

ppl who followed 1st hokages beliefs = 3rd hokage - 5th hokage - jiraya - Naruto

ppl who followed 2nd hokages beliefs = Leaf elders - Danzo - Itachi

Thanks for your response. Good points again. I got to agree there as well.

[veggetta13]

Every single generation in naruto has a Sasuke/Naruto friendship goin on Sasuke/Naruto obito/Kakashi jiraya/orochimaru...

Notice how Madara speaks about the 1st hokage Nothing but compliments,

notice how the 1st reacts to how his bro speaks about the uchiha. .

if MAdara was such a enemy to the 1st why would they make a statue of him next to the 1st in the valley where naruto and sasuke fought.. it would seem like a hokage would of had to order that (Speculation)

maybe the 1st's brother and madara's brother are the reason that the 1st and madara fought. we know the 2nd hokage thought different then the 1st. i would think it would of went something like Madaras brother gave up his eyes so madara can beat the 1st and live under uchiha ideals instead of senju ideals, and once he sacrificed himself there was no goin back. like when the 2nd said "Madara loved his brother probaly more than you loved your brother"

and notice the second hokage isnt bad mouthing madara he was surprised about madaras actions cuz hes speaking as if he lost control when he said "the deeper the darkness get the more powerful their eyes become and its impossible to handle them like in madaras case.." that doesnt sound like he was expecting it there almost making excuses for him saying he its cuz of his emotions.. what do you think???

....nice one, exactly. I want to think Hash was the funny guy, while Sasu, I mean, Maddy stayed d prick

[FinalWarri0r]

They respected eachother.

This.

I doubt they were actually friends as with the clans being how they were, I don't see it possible. I'm sure it's how it always is though, if things had happened differently they would have been great friends yadayadayada. They talk about each other with respect, as all other strong/respectful shinobi have done.

[ANBUITACHIUCHIHA]

This.

I doubt they were actually friends as with the clans being how they were, I don't see it possible. I'm sure it's how it always is though, if things had happened differently they would have been great friends yadayadayada. They talk about each other with respect, as all other strong/respectful shinobi have done.

Understood they used to be enimies and then they made a pact and the 2 clans became the hidden Leaf. there was peace between the 2 clans for a long time they could've became friends.. Uchiha or not madara was still a leaf shinobi for a long time.. and its not only the respect its u dont put up statues of ppl who arent heroes

[~Zonta~]

When people fight each other say in a death match they do come to terms and end up respecting each other no matter who the person is.

It do not neccessarily mean they should be friends but one thing is clear Madara and Hashirama fought most of the times each other and gained respect for each other IMO I can relate it Guy and Kisame here you can see it here http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/508/13

I can also give example of Kakashi and Zabuza you can find it in chapter 522 and here http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/524/11

So it might be same for Hashirama and Madara but its little different for Naruto and Sasuke

[ANBUITACHIUCHIHA]

When people fight each other say in a death match they do come to terms and end up respecting each other no matter who the person is.

It do not neccessarily mean they should be friends but one thing is clear Madara and Hashirama fought most of the times each other and gained respect for each other IMO I can relate it Guy and Kisame here you can see it here http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/508/13

I can also give example of Kakashi and Zabuza you can find it in chapter 522 and here http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/524/11

So it might be same for Hashirama and Madara but its little different for Naruto and Sasuke

Nice twist on it, but from what i seen madara doesnt seem that malicious he looks like he enjoys the fight and measuring himself against strong warriors.. he could of killed the kages and the allied force and chose not too.. obito went right in for the kill

[~Zonta~]

Nice twist on it, but from what i seen madara doesnt seem that malicious he looks like he enjoys the fight and measuring himself against strong warriors.. he could of killed the kages and the allied force and chose not too.. obito went right in for the kill

Madara doesn't seems malicious hehe don't get me wrong but Madara is type of opponent who want to fight people who are strong and not weaklings.... http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/601/5

He viewed all the Kages worthless so he didn't kill them... http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/589/4....

Moreover he was just playing with them and wanted to kill Tsunade first here you see it http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/576/14

[ANBUITACHIUCHIHA]

Madara doesn't seems malicious hehe don't get me wrong but Madara is type of opponent who want to fight people who are strong and not weaklings.... http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/601/5

He viewed all the Kages worthless so he didn't kill them... http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/589/4....

Moreover he was just playing with them and wanted to kill Tsunade first here you see it http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/576/14

notice he hasnt really done anything yet but let ppl shoot at him break out a perfect susano and send clones to kill the kages.. he looked interested when the allied force did their combined attack

[TimBone]

Yes.

[6PathsofKami]

Yep it will fit in with most villain stories as we know in Naruto all the villains were once good.

[Naru2GT]

I believe this. I think Hashi cared about uchihas, look at his reaction here when Tobirama talked about the Uchiha...http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/619/13

[Naru2GT]

When people fight each other say in a death match they do come to terms and end up respecting each other no matter who the person is.

It do not neccessarily mean they should be friends but one thing is clear Madara and Hashirama fought most of the times each other and gained respect for each other IMO I can relate it Guy and Kisame here you can see it here http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/508/13

I can also give example of Kakashi and Zabuza you can find it in chapter 522 and here http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/524/11

So it might be same for Hashirama and Madara but its little different for Naruto and Sasuke

But Guy/Kisame and Kakashi/Zabuza aren't neighbors, they were enemies. Hashi and Madara lived in the same village.

You might be right though.

[ANBUITACHIUCHIHA]

But Guy/Kisame and Kakashi/Zabuza aren't neighbors, they were enemies. Hashi and Madara lived in the same village.

You might be right though.

Good point

[mimihigurashi]

Just because they were enemies it doesn't mean that they had to talk trash about each other. Madara and Hashirama, as well as the Uchiha and Senju respected each other and their power.
Respect, something that, unfortunately, today most people know nothing of, lol.

[~Zonta~]

But Guy/Kisame and Kakashi/Zabuza aren't neighbors, they were enemies. Hashi and Madara lived in the same village.

You might be right though.

Before the Village was formed both Hashirama and Madara were enemies... Both the Uchiha clan and Senju clan fought relentlessly before the village was formed.

Moreover Madara had EMS before the village was formed here http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/399/2 if you read this it will make it clear.... read the complete chapter if possible it will help...

You also might be right I will be more than happy if both Madara and Hashirama were friends since chapter 619 I feel everyone will like Hashirama for sure he is that kinda off a guy hehehe..... who can hate him though???