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    Re: Sasuke vs Tsunade

    Jiraiya was fully aware about the Sharingan genjutsus, yet he stated they can be broken with chakra control. And please, don't compare Tsunade with Rin and Shee, for example... She mastered every form of the chakra manipulation when she was a gennin ( 6 years old ).
     
         

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    Firstly, it says nowhere in the manga that she mastered chakra control at 6. Nowhere. And the manga is the only thing that's cannon, everything else is dubious, and to be treated as such. That lie annoyed me the first time I saw it, and it annoys me more now that you're repeating it. We have no idea at all how good Tsunade was at medical jutsu at age 6 (or even if she knew it).

    Secondly, Jiraiya makes a general remark about genjutsu, however the practical application of genjutsu tells us it's not so simple. Otherwise Kabuto wouldn't be hiding his eyes from Itachi, despite being a top class medical ninja. And ... you know, all those other examples I gave.
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke vs Tsunade

    Quote Originally Posted by ItachiStyle View Post
    Firstly, it says nowhere in the manga that she mastered chakra control at 6. Nowhere. And the manga is the only thing that's cannon, everything else is dubious, and to be treated as such. That lie annoyed me the first time I saw it, and it annoys me more now that you're repeating it. We have no idea at all how good Tsunade was at medical jutsu at age 6 (or even if she knew it).

    Secondly, Jiraiya makes a general remark about genjutsu, however the practical application of genjutsu tells us it's not so simple. Otherwise Kabuto wouldn't be hiding his eyes from Itachi, despite being a top class medical ninja. And ... you know, all those other examples I gave.
    1. It was stated in the manga, 'cause is stated in the databook too. And Kishi wrote the databook too.
    2. The Tsukuyom, for example, i is a different story... I know that can't be broken with chakra control. I'm talking about the regular genjutsus and about the regular sharingan genjutsus.
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke vs Tsunade

    Quote Originally Posted by Slug Princess Tsunade View Post
    1. It was stated in the manga, 'cause is stated in the databook too. And Kishi wrote the databook too.
    Um, no. If it was stated in the databook, then it was stated in the databook. It doesn't mean it was stated in the manga too. It's also obvious that there is significant inconsistency between the databook and manga. From Itachi supposedly having the same genjutsu ability to Oro (both are scored an equal 5), to Ameratsu being described as "hot as the sun" (yet barely affecting Karin), to the recent timeline catastrophe (see the manga forum), which is even worse if one uses the databook ages and timeline (caused by the sudden desire of Kishi to claim that Tsunade and Hashi knew each other, thus destroying the previous timeline by years). The databook was not written by Kishi, though he got input, and Kishi sometimes contradicts himself, so the idea anything Kishi ever looked over becomes cannon is ridiculous (Kishi clearly changed his mind about the relative strength of the 1st and 3rd Hokage, even if it was never explicit... likewise, the indirect remarks that Hiruzen "knew all jutsu in the leaf" are plainly wrong, even only going off the word of Kishi, because to take but a single example we're also told only the 4th and Jiraiya could perform Rasengan). When Kishi got input to the early databook, he hadn't even invented the idea of elemental balance, or how they fit into blood line abilities, etc, yet we're supposed to assume stuff that was written (by the same company for which Kishi works) is always valid, even when Kishi changes continuity frequently? (who could forget Gaara suddenly becoming a host like Naruto, clearly not what Kishi originally intended). Um, no. The databook is never to be cited reliably. Ever.

    2. The Tsukuyom, for example, i is a different story... I know that can't be broken with chakra control. I'm talking about the regular genjutsus and about the regular sharingan genjutsus.
    So you get to arbitrarily pick which genjutsu can be broken by Tsunade, and which can't, based off no evidence whatever. Sorry, it doesn't work that way. The evidence doesn't support you (see eg's above), and the fact that you love Tsunade is not an argument. Here's how feats work- if characters don't demonstrate said abilities... they don't get granted them.
     
         
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    Re: Sasuke vs Tsunade

    Tsunade wins, no diff.
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke vs Tsunade

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    User of Susanoo can move freely inside it. The balance of Madaras Susanoo as it was used when Tsunade knocked it down is anyway worser, as feet have a smaller area than a Susanoo using its whole torso. Even Danzos Fuuton, that was backed up with Bakus suction didn't move Susanoo from its place by latter just clinging to the ground. Knocking it over wouldn't anyway change anything, as she won't leave any damage at Susanoo or Sasuke.

    It's save to say, that Susanoo would crush Tsunade with a single punch to paste if hitting properly, the full skeleton already exceeds Tsunades strength and speed largely.
    The center of gravity would just move up which only mean a blow to the torso wouldn't knock of his Susanoo the same is not necessarily true of a blow higher. His Susanoo like everything else can be tipped over. Silly. Also Danzo's futon was mean to cut not push. Difference. Also Danzo's fuuton's pushing power even with Baku's suction is likely not as great as Tsunade punch. Also, the reason knocking it over would screw sasuke is... well this.
    Furthermore, with Katsuyu's acid being more concentrated than A's and Susanoo being completely unable to move the fortitude of it would be undermined by Katsuyu's acid making it much weaker. And much more like to break when Tsunade hits it.
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke vs Tsunade

    Good bye Tsunade
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke vs Tsunade

    Maybe she can regen from a puddle of blood? LOL. In fairness she can probably counter with her strength to some degree, and maybe even bust out a few times, she is crazy strong. But this is still a ridiculous fight... even without his best ability, Sasuke stomps.
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke vs Tsunade

    only people who can defeat sasuke is

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    Re: Sasuke vs Tsunade

    Sasuke high dif. Everyone's either overrating Sasuke or underrating Tsunade.
     
         

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