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    Why is Sasukes revenge still not over

    He has Killed Danzo , Itachi
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    Now he talks with the Hokages
    Do you think he will still take his revenge and get completly crazy
    Or will the first hokage make him calm down a little bit ???
     
         

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    Re: Why is Sasukes revenge still not over

    He still don't know forsure the actions that lead to the Uchiha massacre, and that it was Obito behind the Kyuubi attack on Konoha which lead to it.
     
         

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    Re: Why is Sasukes revenge still not over

    You would think so, but I think his mind has been so messed he's just going to go bat-sh*t insane.
     
         

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    Re: Why is Sasukes revenge still not over

    Hard to say depends on crazy hashi's description of the past. Also I believe he will have a run in with koharu and homaru.
     
         

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    Re: Why is Sasukes revenge still not over

    He wants to destroy konoha his talk with the 1st hokage might change his mind a little.

    Quote Originally Posted by Champ View Post
    He still don't know forsure the actions that lead to the Uchiha massacre, and that it was Obito behind the Kyuubi attack on Konoha which lead to it.
    If he talks with minato he will find out then and after that he will head to where naruto is and try to take revenge on obito, I could see that happening.
     
         

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    Re: Why is Sasukes revenge still not over

    I hope he will take his revenge on obito
     
         

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    Re: Why is Sasukes revenge still not over

    He has just started to see the truth..Let him find his own resolve not others'
     
         

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    Re: Why is Sasukes revenge still not over

    Quote Originally Posted by ~MC117~ View Post
    He wants to destroy konoha his talk with the 1st hokage might change his mind a little.



    If he talks with minato he will find out then and after that he will head to where naruto is and try to take revenge on obito, I could see that happening.
    Everyone should know this might happen by now
     
         

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    Re: Why is Sasukes revenge still not over

    he seemed upset the whole last chapter...and getting angrier
    but who knows.we will in 2 or 3 more nights
     
         

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    Re: Why is Sasukes revenge still not over

    So far he only learned how his village treated Itachi and his clan badly and that his clan is not really guilty because they have some mental problem. I don't think he really cares about that anymore. His focuss is on Itachi. He purely tries to find out if he will walk in his shoes and help the village that treated him and his clan badly. That won't be solved before that hokage situation is over. That's why it is probably one of the most interesting situations in the story so far. At least for me.
     
         

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    Re: Why is Sasukes revenge still not over

    Since he went to the Hokages for answers, the next logical step would be to go to the battlefield and seek answers from Madara and Obito as well. I have no doubt that they will be more convincing - after all, who would you believe - the enemies of your clan who express so much contempt towards them, and who pushed them to the sidelines and extinction; or to the former leader of your clan and the only other living member, no matter how despicable. Madara was able to set up Obito to lose all hope with that staged death of Rin. Inflaming Sasuke's rage and manipulating him with the promise of additional powerups (Rinnegan) is probably just child's play to him.
    That does not mean Sasuke will not also try to destroy Madara's Edo, to fulfill his brother's wishes. It may not even conflict with Madara's wishes, if he thinks he now has a better pawn than Obito, who will later revive him.
     
         

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    Re: Why is Sasukes revenge still not over

    As Shikamaru said, the point of revenge in this show is that it just never stops. Sasuke will keep finding more and more people to blame for the Uchiha massacre and the cycle of revenge just doesn't end.

    Shikamaru cites this as his reason for wanting Konoha to kill Sasuke. So that Sakura and Ino won't go out to avenge him if the Cloud ninja kill him, which would result in them being killed and avenged by their loved ones, creating a vicious cycle that would lead to war.
     
         

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    Re: Why is Sasukes revenge still not over

    He seems more pissed off, i'll be surprised if anyone could change his mind atm.
     
         

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    Re: Why is Sasukes revenge still not over

    Quote Originally Posted by numbers View Post
    As Shikamaru said, the point of revenge in this show is that it just never stops. Sasuke will keep finding more and more people to blame for the Uchiha massacre and the cycle of revenge just doesn't end.

    Shikamaru cites this as his reason for wanting Konoha to kill Sasuke. So that Sakura and Ino won't go out to avenge him if the Cloud ninja kill him, which would result in them being killed and avenged by their loved ones, creating a vicious cycle that would lead to war.
    Which was a rather idiotic idea from such a smart guy! Shikamaru can be so logical sometimes that he loses track of common sense...
    How can you stop the cycle of revenge by killing a person - not because of their actions but because you don't want to get into trouble by their possible actions? It was the same twisted reasoning that led to the Leaf allowing Neji's father to be killed, and filling his son with hatred and vengeful feelings. If Naruto was not there to turn his path around, Neji may very well have caused a war between the head and branch Hyuuga families.
    The exact same flawed logic led to the Uchiha clan massacre, and to Sasuke's path of revenge. These decisions, both by the Third Hokage, indicate he was not always the kind compassionate leader as usually shown, and that he too made serious mistakes in the way he managed the village.
     
         
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    Re: Why is Sasukes revenge still not over

    He is still a lost child. Even in the end, the leader of the village will show the right path to the one who wanted to destroy it.
     
         

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    Re: Why is Sasukes revenge still not over

    Quote Originally Posted by saltal View Post
    Which was a rather idiotic idea from such a smart guy! Shikamaru can be so logical sometimes that he loses track of common sense...
    How can you stop the cycle of revenge by killing a person - not because of their actions but because you don't want to get into trouble by their possible actions? It was the same twisted reasoning that led to the Leaf allowing Neji's father to be killed, and filling his son with hatred and vengeful feelings. If Naruto was not there to turn his path around, Neji may very well have caused a war between the head and branch Hyuuga families.
    The exact same flawed logic led to the Uchiha clan massacre, and to Sasuke's path of revenge. These decisions, both by the Third Hokage, indicate he was not always the kind compassionate leader as usually shown, and that he too made serious mistakes in the way he managed the village.
    It's still the whole point that Kishi was going for. Gaara, a moral voice of reason also says the same thing to Naruto. Sasuke is the point where the chain could've been broken. After the Kage Summit, who would've really felt so strongly for Sasuke that they would get revenge on the K11? Naruto? Naruto and Sakura are the only people who care about Sasuke anymore and it's not as if they would kill Shikamaru. They'd be a little mad but the cycle would be temporarily over. The entire shinobi world rightfully wanted this outlaw dead

    Sasuke at the Kage Summit was corrupt- he was ready to kill innocent people who weren't involved and therefore any way you look at it- Sasuke was entirely at the wrong. It's one thing killing Danzo. It should've stopped there. Crazy laughing and trying to kill Karin, Kakashi, Sakura & Naruto...his death WOULD'VE benefitted the shinobi world. The only reason they didnt is for the sake of the story and because Naruto has his own resolve.
     
         

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    Re: Why is Sasukes revenge still not over

    Even if he learns that Obito was behind the attack I doubt that will stop him from hating Konoha, that doesn't change the fact that Konoha did isolate the Uchiha and later massacre them.

    Even if he learns that I doubt he will ever forgive Konoha. I suspect we are about to see him evolve as a villian into an even worse one.
     
         

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    Re: Why is Sasukes revenge still not over

    Sasuke is willing to get revenge over Konoha for making Itachi suffer the most ..

    he will not change his mind since the hatred has been fuled more after meeting Itachi here http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/593/12

    Considering the latest chapter Tobirama's comments and orochimaru's provocations about uchiha's his resolve will strengthen even more IMO....
     
         

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    Re: Why is Sasukes revenge still not over

    Idk really... I hope he changes his mind and kills Obito
     
         

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    Re: Why is Sasukes revenge still not over

    Quote Originally Posted by numbers View Post
    It's still the whole point that Kishi was going for. Gaara, a moral voice of reason also says the same thing to Naruto. Sasuke is the point where the chain could've been broken. After the Kage Summit, who would've really felt so strongly for Sasuke that they would get revenge on the K11? Naruto? Naruto and Sakura are the only people who care about Sasuke anymore and it's not as if they would kill Shikamaru. They'd be a little mad but the cycle would be temporarily over. The entire shinobi world rightfully wanted this outlaw dead
    That the entire Shinobi world wants him dead does not justify extrajudicial killings. The reason our justice system guarantees even the worst offenders the right to a fair trial is what is missing in that world, and one of the main causes for the chaos they are experiencing. In a fair trial, Sasuke could have presented as evidence the secret dealings that lead to the Uchiha massacre, the fact that he was going after Danzo, and not the rest of the Kages during that attack, the fact that Danzo in fact tried to break the deal with Itachi (by sending Sai to kill him), and tried to kill him during the fight, while Sasuke was asking him first to confirm what he had heard. Perhaps even use genetic evidence for an insanity plea.

    What you are saying is that because the only people who still care for him are Sakura and Naruto (obviously false - add Ino and Kakashi, and his Taka teammates, at the very least), and they are not the vengeful types, then it's perfectly okay to kill him. But a true justice system does not work like that. In the end, Naruto's solution on finding common ground with him and trying to treat his mental breakdown, is the correct action here. The problem can't be solved through logical means, but by giving Sasuke a reason to live beyond revenge.

    Quote Originally Posted by numbers View Post
    Sasuke at the Kage Summit was corrupt- he was ready to kill innocent people who weren't involved and therefore any way you look at it- Sasuke was entirely at the wrong. It's one thing killing Danzo. It should've stopped there. Crazy laughing and trying to kill Karin, Kakashi, Sakura & Naruto...his death WOULD'VE benefitted the shinobi world. The only reason they didnt is for the sake of the story and because Naruto has his own resolve.
    He was there to kill Danzo and not the others. And the only ones he killed there were Samurai - in self defense after he warned them. I am not trying to justify his actions there, but he is not the monster you try to portray him at - and deserves the right to put his side of the case on the table.
     
         

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    Re: Why is Sasukes revenge still not over

    Quote Originally Posted by swapnil5843 View Post
    Sasuke is willing to get revenge over Konoha for making Itachi suffer the most ..

    he will not change his mind since the hatred has been fuled more after meeting Itachi here http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/593/12

    Considering the latest chapter Tobirama's comments and orochimaru's provocations about uchiha's his resolve will strengthen even more IMO....
    key word on that panel "BUT"

    after talking to the kages sasuke will see how much he has been brain f'd and will want to murk the rest of his cursed clan(obtito)
     
         
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    Re: Why is Sasukes revenge still not over

    Quote Originally Posted by saltal View Post
    That the entire Shinobi world wants him dead does not justify extrajudicial killings. The reason our justice system guarantees even the worst offenders the right to a fair trial is what is missing in that world, and one of the main causes for the chaos they are experiencing. In a fair trial, Sasuke could have presented as evidence the secret dealings that lead to the Uchiha massacre, the fact that he was going after Danzo, and not the rest of the Kages during that attack, the fact that Danzo in fact tried to break the deal with Itachi (by sending Sai to kill him), and tried to kill him during the fight, while Sasuke was asking him first to confirm what he had heard. Perhaps even use genetic evidence for an insanity plea.
    The shinobi world is incredibly different to our own, I wouldn't trust the leaf village to hold an unbiased court session. With most of the village semi-brainwashed by the events that have happened and someone like the elders or Danzo always being in charge behind the scenes I don't see this happening.

    Not to mention Sasuke entirely takes the law into his own hands. Shikamaru and Gaara were looking at the bigger picture that materialistically- Sasuke's death would've brought the Shinobi nations positive effects. It doesn't matter anyway as Naruto's resolve is the resolve we're morally following in this manga anyway.

    He was there to kill Danzo and not the others. And the only ones he killed there were Samurai - in self defense after he warned them. I am not trying to justify his actions there, but he is not the monster you try to portray him at - and deserves the right to put his side of the case on the table.


    Does this REALLY look like the face of a guy who can be reasoned with? He went there with intentions to kill only Danzo but on the way managed to assault the world leaders, kill a bunch of Samurai because he was slightly angry and then lunge for both Karin & Sakura and fight with Naruto & Kakashi. You really think he wasn't prepared to murder any of these people? He fought/shot down all of them with full intent. That's kinda undebatable and if he hadn't encountered Itachi or met with the Kage that's what he'd still be doing now.

    He's got much better recently of course- but i'm just stating why Sasuke's revenge isn't over. It's a key theme that Kishimoto is addressing and even plain out said it with Shikamaru, whether Shikamaru was morally right or not in his resolve doesn't matter- I was just answering the question.
     
         
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    Re: Why is Sasukes revenge still not over

    Quote Originally Posted by numbers View Post
    The shinobi world is incredibly different to our own, I wouldn't trust the leaf village to hold an unbiased court session. With most of the village semi-brainwashed by the events that have happened and someone like the elders or Danzo always being in charge behind the scenes I don't see this happening.
    I think one of the core issues in the story is precisely that. The villages are run as a military organization, funded by corrupt and gullible feudal lords, with no checks and balances. The police force was created as a way to appease and distance a potential rival. Everything is done in secret. Yes, it's a different world, with magic and super powerful individuals, but they all still have the same moral failings. The solution that Shikamaru and Gaara are offering may be a short term fix for the current crisis, but neither is capable of seeing (or perhaps neither is aware of) the greater picture and the context in which this happens. So long as they don't change the system, it's just a matter of time until the next crisis arises. For all Gaara and Shikamaru are a lot more intelligent than Naruto, he is the one with the best insight on the right path.

    Quote Originally Posted by numbers View Post
    Not to mention Sasuke entirely takes the law into his own hands. Shikamaru and Gaara were looking at the bigger picture that materialistically- Sasuke's death would've brought the Shinobi nations positive effects. It doesn't matter anyway as Naruto's resolve is the resolve we're morally following in this manga anyway.
    No, it would only provide a reprieve for a while until the next crisis. Without reforming the system of hate and injustice, they are going to run into this again. Had Sasuke been given the facts and counceling, and the time to mourn, and help finding meaning, when he was still innocent and willing to listen, he may never have turned to the path of revenge.

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    Does this REALLY look like the face of a guy who can be reasoned with? He went there with intentions to kill only Danzo but on the way managed to assault the world leaders, kill a bunch of Samurai because he was slightly angry and then lunge for both Karin & Sakura and fight with Naruto & Kakashi. You really think he wasn't prepared to murder any of these people? He fought/shot down all of them with full intent. That's kinda undebatable and if he hadn't encountered Itachi or met with the Kage that's what he'd still be doing now.
    He went to the Kage meeting planning to follow Danzo afterwards and kill - or question - only him. He was not planning to attack the summit. Tobi and Zetsu foiled that plan purposefully to put him in a situation where he has only one option - to follow them. The Kages went after him, with intent to kill. At that point he was pushed into a corner. Even so, he abandoned the battle to run after Danzo, and did not try to continue fighting the other Kages - though they kept attacking him. That part I kind of understand actually.

    What is harder to grapple with is his behavior towards his teammates - both from Taka and team 7. He was unbalanced and raving - but that's just it - he was not rational at that point. The only person who was able to bring him some sanity and clarity was, again, Naruto with his promise. If you have ever dealt with people that have a mental illness (and I have) you would have known that their perception of reality and reaction to triggers are unpredictable and often radically different than that of the "normal" person. They perceive the world and people differently. But a lot of the time such conditions are treatable, maybe even curable. Why not try that route first before taking someone's life?

    Quote Originally Posted by numbers View Post
    He's got much better recently of course- but i'm just stating why Sasuke's revenge isn't over. It's a key theme that Kishimoto is addressing and even plain out said it with Shikamaru, whether Shikamaru was morally right or not in his resolve doesn't matter- I was just answering the question.
    I have no doubt that his revenge quest isn't over - his resolve will only be strengthened - I very much doubt if Orochimaru, the master manipulator, would have let him talk to the Kages if he were not completely certain of the outcome. That said, he may still want to take revenge against Obito and Madara, so I can easily see him go against them, then against Naruto.
    And you also forget an important contribution of his - helping Itachi stop the Edo Tensei. That alone can more than balance his negative score with the Shinobi world (recall Oonoki exclaiming that whoever stopped the Edo Tensei is a hero of the aliance, no matter who they are...).
     
         

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    Re: Why is Sasukes revenge still not over

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    And you also forget an important contribution of his - helping Itachi stop the Edo Tensei. That alone can more than balance his negative score with the Shinobi world (recall Oonoki exclaiming that whoever stopped the Edo Tensei is a hero of the aliance, no matter who they are...).
    I would argue that it really was mostly Itachi who did all of that work (and I HATE Itachi so that was hard to admit) and that Sasuke really didn't know or care what defeating Kabuto would entail- he just followed his brother's lead and did what he was told because he was so admiring of his brother and he'd get some answers from the guy.)

    This has been the most interesting debate i've had on here for a while though, good points
     
         

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    Re: Why is Sasukes revenge still not over

    I think after Jugo told Sasuke that Madara is alive, he will go kill Madara because Itachi told him during their fight that 'Madara' helped him kill the clan so ya Sasuke aint done yet :D
     
         

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