[Discussion] Seriously, there's nothing wrong with the timeline. Read.

[Kirin Rei]

For a couple of days many people have been going on about how sloppy Kishi has gotten and how the timeline has gone out of hand.
Seriously.
Kishi, although the creator, is not the only person on the team. He has advisors, image editors and script editors by the dozen. That's how the bloody manga industry works. Do you actually believe that such diligent people would overlook these stuff?

I honestly bunch in these people who call TIMELINE ERROR! with those who start ranting and swearing at Kishi when there's a double issue in Japan. It's like they think he's been slacking off and that's the reason we don't get the manga on a particular week.
Neither Kishi nor his team have anything to do with the manga's publication date. It's all up to the Shonen Jump magazine. They have holidays like every other country. You don't start ranting at the teller when a bank isn't open on a Sunday. It's the same thing.

Anyways, regarding the recent timeline discussions. I'll try to make it clear:

- It's a fact that Hashi was still alive when Tsunade was a toddler.

- It's also a fact that Hashirama died at the same time Tobirama became Hokage.

It says; 初代亡き後その 遺 志を 継 いで゛火影゛と呼ばれたのが、初 代の 実 弟である二代目であった。 which roughly translates to:

After Shodai's death, he (Tobirama) carried on Shodai's will and was called ''Hokage''. The younger brother of the Shodai, was the Nidai.

- It's a fact that Hiruzen is 17-18 years older than Tsunade.

Although I'm not fond of using Narutopedia to prove points, it's pretty useful for such matters.
Here, you can see Tsunade and here; Hiruzen.

- It's certain that Tsunade was 6 years old when she graduated from the Academy and started training under Hiruzen.

Again, have a look here.

- The facts above make Hiruzen 23-24 years old in the following panel.

- Tobirama seems to have appointed Hiruzen as the Hokage when he seems to be just around 20. Give or take a year or two.

Ok, I guess here is where many people get their knickers in a twist.

For the sake of clarification, let's assume that Tsunade was around 2 years old in Hashi's flashback and the death of Hashi came shortly after that instance, making Tobirama the Hokage.

This gives us a four year time span before she starts training with Hiruzen.

During said four year time span, Tobirama dies in battle and appoints Hiruzen as the next Hokage, before he grows a blasted goatee, which seems to be the root of all evil concerning this discussion.

Lets give a year or two for that damned goatee to grow. Just for the sake of doing so.
That still gives Tobirama at least two to three years to reign and accomplish his oh so many feats.

The problem people seem to have is that Tobirama's reign that presumably lasted a year or two seems too short to accomplish all the listed feats as setting up the Konoha police force, a battle or two, injury and recovery, starting up the academy and a bunch of other political stuff.

I assure you that it's not.

Think of how much time passed since the Shippuuden Arc started. It has been just around a year and Konoha has already battled Akatsuki numerous times, saved the Kazekage, helped revive the Kazekage, battled Pein, got completely destroyed down to the rubble, got rebuilt in quite a short time, lost it's Hokage due to a coma for a while, appointed a new Hokage (Danzo), participated in the one and only Kage Summit, lost Danzo, got it's Hokage back, participated in the biggest war in Narutoverse history, battled endless zombie Kages in day one of said war, got it's previous Hokage's zombified by none other than our good ol' Oro and is currently fighting against another boss/overkill/over 9000 zombie that goes by the name of Uchiha Madara accompanied by Obito (another overkill) and, lo and behold, the BLOODY JUUBI!

I hope this gets across.

[Huang]

Let's hope it gets through,..

[XiayouLili8]

There is no way I'm reading all of this. Shorten it, no one cares about your point if it has to be this lengthy.

[-Raviel-]

guess they cant argue with that now can they

[Sephy100]

Seems legit. I'm pretty sure Kishi has already proven everything that you've said but lets hope this explanation sticks. *****

[Arian]

why even bother? people will keep complaining for whatever reason and shout "plothole" here and there

[Altaneen]

There is no way I'm reading all of this. Shorten it, no one cares about your point if it has to be this lengthy.

It's well listed, and many people who are crying over the tl should care.

[Barocka Flocka Flames]

finally

[Itachi Minato]

yup there is nothing wrong with the timeline

[Huang]

There is no way I'm reading all of this. Shorten it, no one cares about your point if it has to be this lengthy.

And you think this will make people care about yours when something like reading is too hard for you??

[Melanee]

Excellent work!

[andreuchiha]

http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Sannin

hiruzen was already hokage when he trained the sannin point blank period tis the only answer that makes sense and totally logical because tsunade trained sakura and she is what????? HOKAGE

[Kirin Rei]

http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Sannin

hiruzen was already hokage when he trained the sannin point blank period tis the only answer that makes sense and totally logical because tsunade trained sakura and she is what????? HOKAGE

Huh?
Well, yeah.
That was one of my points. :shrug:

[~Zonta~]

great work.... excellent and well structured theory .... :worshippy:

but only thing confusing the reign of Tobirama since we have seen Tsunade with Hashirama and
then we have Hiruzen as third and training the Sanins...... :confused:

[Kirin Rei]

great work.... excellent and well structured theory .... :worshippy:

but only thing confusing the reign of Tobirama since we have seen Tsunade with Hashirama and
then we have Hiruzen as third and training the Sanins...... :confused:

Well, if we guess that Hashi died right around the time of his flashback of Tsunade it still gives us a time span of around four years for Tobirama to become Hokage, reign, appoint Sarutobi as the next Hokage and lose his life.

Sarutobi trained the Sannin after he became the Hokage, so it all fits.

[PredictionGuru]

Yah.
Yah.
Yah.
Yah.
Yah.
Yah.
Yah.

PLOTHOLE!!!
No... not really.
everyone should read this thread.

[Uchiha Samater]

I give this the "Pai Mei" nod of approval

[~Zonta~]

Well, if we guess that Hashi died right around the time of his flashback of Tsunade it still gives us a time span of around four years for Tobirama to become Hokage, reign, appoint Sarutobi as the next Hokage and lose his life.

Sarutobi trained the Sannin after he became the Hokage, so it all fits.

but still the pictures shown in manga are i.e third training the sannins






and this is the picture when Hiruzen was appointed hokage


Notice the difference in age of hiruzen its like 4-5 years after he was appointed hokage so may be Tobirama was hokage for less period of time

its just my opinion though.... your theory was great one I hope its true ...

[Uchiha Samater]

But wasnt sarutobi trained by the kage at that age also, i reckon he was kage while training the sannin

[Kirin Rei]

But wasnt sarutobi trained by the kage at that age also, i reckon he was kage while training the sannin

Yup, he was definietly the Hokage while training the Sannin.
He's obviously a couple of years younger when appointed as Hokage. The manga panel depicting the bell training is the same one Kakashi used when Team 10 was first determined. So we can guess that Hiruzen was doing the same thing, which indicates that the picture is from when Team Sannin was first formed.

[Horus]

Ahh this will silence all the "timeline" threads,
thanks :D

[supino]

You are 200% correct; there have been times that Kishi did certain things which puzzled me (or some still do) as a reader and I admit that, not the kind of fan who will always pretend that everything is perfect, but he did absolutely nothing weird now! Not sure why so many people got worked up over nothing.

[Sarutobi Sasuke]

Great stuff. I felt compelled to make the same thread but then I thought: "Aah, f**k it. Most people ain't gonna let a little something like "making sense" ruin their arguments anyway." This saves me the trouble.

[Kirin Rei]

Great stuff. I felt compelled to make the same thread but then I thought: "Aah, f**k it. Most people ain't gonna let a little something like "making sense" ruin their arguments anyway." This saves me the trouble.

Hahaha it seems to have worked though.
Or they just ran out of steam.

Either way, yippie!

[Sasuke Uzumaki]

There is no way I'm reading all of this. Shorten it, no one cares about your point if it has to be this lengthy.

I did care.