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    Re: Seriously, there's nothing wrong with the timeline. Read.

    Quote Originally Posted by alexu9696 View Post
    Now try to explain the Obito timeline bro , i know its already impossible and its full of plothole's
    Explain what about Obito?
     
         

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    Re: Seriously, there's nothing wrong with the timeline. Read.

    Quote Originally Posted by alexu9696 View Post
    Now try to explain the Obito timeline bro , i know its already impossible and its full of plothole's
    Huh, no, it's not.

    Kakashi, Obito and Rin were teammates but it's never been stated that they were at the same age.

    According to what we can deduce from the manga and databooks:

    - Kakashi graduated from the academy at age 5 and became a chuunin at age 6.
    - Obito graduated from the academy at age 9 and became a chuunin at age 11.
    - Seeing that they attended the same chuunin exam and were on the same team from the very start, Kakashi was teamed up with Obito when their respective ages were 5 and 9.
    - Obito presumably died at age 13 so we can deduce that Kakashi was promoted to jounin when he was 9-10 years old.
    - Kurama's attack took place 16 years before the present. Which means Kakashi was 13-14 and Obito was 17-18 back then.

    I see no problem with this.
     
         

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    Re: Seriously, there's nothing wrong with the timeline. Read.

    @OP, ur right about Obito, there's no problem with that.
    But you aren't correct about Tsunade/Hashirama as:
    -Konoha was founded 64-65 years prior to current events
    -Tobirama was Hokage already 5 years after it's founding, that's 60
    -Tsunade is 54... 54-60= -6
    -Hashirama died before 1st SWW, thus Tsunade was 2 years old when Tobirama died
    -Thus Hashirama died before her birth
     
         

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    Re: Seriously, there's nothing wrong with the timeline. Read.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sasuke2 View Post
    @OP, ur right about Obito, there's no problem with that.
    But you aren't correct about Tsunade/Hashirama as:
    -Konoha was founded 64-65 years prior to current events
    -Tobirama was Hokage already 5 years after it's founding, that's 60
    -Tsunade is 54... 54-60= -6
    -Hashirama died before 1st SWW, thus Tsunade was 2 years old when Tobirama died
    -Thus Hashirama died before her birth
    Sorry, but the age of Konoha, which is supposed to be the base of this timeline has never been stated by the manga and Hashirama has clearly been shown interacting with Tsunade which debunks it completely. :shrug:
     
         

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    Re: Seriously, there's nothing wrong with the timeline. Read.

    It's stated numerous times in official books by Kishi, refer to the other thread
     
         

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    Re: Seriously, there's nothing wrong with the timeline. Read.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sasuke2 View Post
    It's stated numerous times in official books by Kishi, refer to the other thread
    BOOMSHAKALAKA!

    Scratch my previous post, I've found the RAW Fanbook scans in Japanese.

    Page 18 and 53, eh?

    Page 18 is about Amegakure and has pics of Oboro, Mubi, and Kagari with the caption of There are many shinobi who take pride in their genjutsu.

    Pages 52-53-54 are about the Hokage lineage, there's a chart that states both Hashi and Tobirama trained Hiruzen, Hiruzen trained Jiraiya (no pic) and Jiraiya trained Minato and some info about the previous Hokage.

    初代 (Shodai) - About 60 years in the past, he was the one to lead countless shinobi with a collective will, the originator to lay the building stones of Konoha.

    二代目 (Nidaime) - Younger brother of the Shodai. After the death of his brother, the village was still not stable. Nidaime laid the foundations of the organisational structure and developed the village.

    Where is the 5 year part?
     
         

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    Re: Seriously, there's nothing wrong with the timeline. Read.

    Refer to part dedicated to history of Konoha's Academy, first fanbook
     
         

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    Re: Seriously, there's nothing wrong with the timeline. Read.

    Quote Originally Posted by CrimsonFire View Post
    Far as the timeline goes, yeah it's no big deal, though it bugs me . Kakashi was thirteen when he became jounin not nine lol(start of kakashi gaiden) and yes Obito was presume dead at the age of 13, but Obito is four years older then Kakashi, so Obito should be 17 during Kakashi gaiden not 13. Like I said before Obito should older then he appears and I said Obito was to similar in height with Kakashi not exactly the same. Obito should be a lot taller then Kakashi and same for Rin during Kakashi gaiden.
    Why do you say Kakashi was 13 and not some other age? if you dont mind me asking.
     
         

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    Re: Seriously, there's nothing wrong with the timeline. Read.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sasuke2 View Post
    Refer to part dedicated to history of Konoha's Academy, first fanbook
    WOW! Found something!

    It says that Nidaime, about 5 years after the founding of Konohagakure no Sato, due to military reasons, created a shinobi training facility at the base of the Hokage rock. It wasn't called the academy back then.
    It was called the Academy / 忍者学校 (Ninja Gakko) after Tsunade's birth.
    Several years after being officially named the Academy, they hold Teacher Selection Exams / 教師選抜試験 (Kyōshi Senbatsu Shiken).

    Anyways, this makes it clear that the Academy wasn't officially founded until quite a while later and Tobirama could have set up the shinobi training facility while Hashi was still alive. :shrug:
     
         
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    Re: Seriously, there's nothing wrong with the timeline. Read.

    never thought it was too confusing
    but i gess some people are very *****y and needed this
     
         

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    Re: Seriously, there's nothing wrong with the timeline. Read.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kirin Rei View Post
    WOW! Found something!

    It says that Nidaime, about 5 years after the founding of Konohagakure no Sato, due to military reasons, created a shinobi training facility at the base of the Hokage rock. It wasn't called the academy back then.
    It was called the Academy / 忍者学校 (Ninja Gakko) after Tsunade's birth.
    Several years after being officially named the Academy, they hold Teacher Selection Exams / 教師選抜試験 (Kyōshi Senbatsu Shiken).

    Anyways, this makes it clear that the Academy wasn't officially founded until quite a while later and Tobirama could have set up the shinobi training facility while Hashi was still alive. :shrug:
    Does it actually say: " It was called the Academy / 忍者学校 (Ninja Gakko) after Tsunade's birth." in the fanbook?
     
         

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    Re: Seriously, there's nothing wrong with the timeline. Read.

    In all honesty, in response to most of the timeline errors, it's stupid. Know why?

    Who even delves that deep into the manga? It's a fighting manga.

    I read something similar on people *****ing about a Playstation (the original) being in Harry Potter book... 4? Because the story is set in 1996 and the Playstation didn't come out until 1997 people were like OMG!

    Who. Effing. Cares.

    Do you guys think that Kishimoto is writing a Bible? He's a ****ing human. While were on the subject, QUIT taking every characters word in the story as though he "said it himself". He made each character different from himself and gave them each opinions.

    I never even thought twice about this until that top thread came out. Seriously? Is the direction of the story going to go on a different direction because Shodaime laughed about Tsunade picking up his GAMBLING?

    What the **** people? Get money.
     
         

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    Re: Seriously, there's nothing wrong with the timeline. Read.

    Quote Originally Posted by eyesofthekyuubi44 View Post
    In all honesty, in response to most of the timeline errors, it's stupid. Know why?

    Who even delves that deep into the manga? It's a fighting manga.

    I read something similar on people *****ing about a Playstation (the original) being in Harry Potter book... 4? Because the story is set in 1996 and the Playstation didn't come out until 1997 people were like OMG!

    Who. Effing. Cares.

    Do you guys think that Kishimoto is writing a Bible? He's a ****ing human. While were on the subject, QUIT taking every characters word in the story as though he "said it himself". He made each character different from himself and gave them each opinions.

    I never even thought twice about this until that top thread came out. Seriously? Is the direction of the story going to go on a different direction because Shodaime laughed about Tsunade picking up his GAMBLING?

    What the **** people? Get money.
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    Re: Seriously, there's nothing wrong with the timeline. Read.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sarutobi Sasuke View Post
    Does it actually say: " It was called the Academy / 忍者学校 (Ninja Gakko) after Tsunade's birth." in the fanbook?
    Oh, nope. It doesn't say that word to word but there's a part dedicated to the Academy and it's history accompanied by a small timeline that points out such events.
     
         

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    Re: Seriously, there's nothing wrong with the timeline. Read.

    @Kirin Rei, thought I'm making things up? :D
    Everything I say is referenced by official work.

    Since Konoha is 64-65 (Tsunade was 51 in Part I. and is 54+ now) (4 years have passed since Part I. because 2,5y was Naruto's comeback home from Jiraiya's training, Team 7 reunion and Sasuke killing Oro ~3y and it's quite a while since then) atm and 5 years after it's founding Hashi was already dead, he could never have met Tsunade since she is 54, hope it's clear.

    For the sake of not as wise individuals and people weak at math, Hashi died 5 years after it's founding and Tsunade was born 10 years after it's founding, so unless time travel is possible or ghost of Hashirama taught Tsunade gambling, it's an error.

    EDIT: Naruto was late 12 in chapter 1 and is/was early 16 as of Databook 3 (means 3 years + some months) (which covers only till chapter 395, it's 225 chapters since then so definitely 4 years have passed by now, meaning both Naruto and Sasuke are already 17 quite likely)
     
         
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    Re: Seriously, there's nothing wrong with the timeline. Read.

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    Re: Seriously, there's nothing wrong with the timeline. Read.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sasuke2 View Post
    @Kirin Rei, thought I'm making things up? :D
    Everything I say is referenced by official work.
    No, of course not. Why would I?
    If you understood it that way I truly apologise.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sasuke2 View Post
    Since Konoha is 64-65 (Tsunade was 51 in Part I. and is 54+ now) (4 years have passed since Part I. because 2,5y was Naruto's comeback home from Jiraiya's training, Team 7 reunion and Sasuke killing Oro ~3y and it's quite a while since then) atm and 5 years after it's founding Hashi was already dead, he could never have met Tsunade since she is 54, hope it's clear.

    For the sake of not as wise individuals and people weak at math, Hashi died 5 years after it's founding and Tsunade was born 10 years after it's founding, so unless time travel is possible or ghost of Hashirama taught Tsunade gambling, it's an error.

    EDIT: Naruto was late 12 in chapter 1 and is/was early 16 as of Databook 3 (means 3 years + some months) (which covers only till chapter 395, it's 225 chapters since then so definitely 4 years have passed by now, meaning both Naruto and Sasuke are already 17 quite likely)
    What I'm trying to get to is that we can still figure out a way that doesn't mess up the timeline.

    This is what it says about the founding of the Academy; Nidaime, about 5 years after the founding of Konohagakure no Sato, due to military reasons, created a shinobi training facility at the base of the Hokage rock.

    Consecutively, it states that the training facility officially turned into the Ninja Academy / 忍者学校 (Ninja Gakko) around seven years later.

    If we theorise that it was the actual Ninja Academy, not the training facility that was founded during Tobirama's reign, we can construct the timeline without any glitches and it gives us the much needed two year time span for Tsunade to be able to see Hashi.
    It actually fits perfectly.
     
         

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    Re: Seriously, there's nothing wrong with the timeline. Read.

    If we theorize, except it says otherwise. Tobirama clearly built the training facility as a response to the upcoming 1st Shinobi World War, it got renamed into "Academy" by Hiruzen I'm certain
     
         

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    Re: Seriously, there's nothing wrong with the timeline. Read.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sarutobi Sasuke View Post
    Why do you say Kakashi was 13 and not some other age? if you dont mind me asking.
    Kakashi said he was around Naruto age when became jounin and Naruto was 12-13 in part 1 of the series. During the nine tails attack Kakashi was 14, so that means the events of Kakashi gaiden had to taken place a year ago because Obito defines logic lol of surviving a boulder and meets Madara after the events of Kakashi gaiden in that year, of course it had take at least a year for Obito to recover and regain his strength. I hope that make sense
     
         

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    Re: Seriously, there's nothing wrong with the timeline. Read.

    Quote Originally Posted by XiayouLili8 View Post
    There is no way I'm reading all of this. Shorten it, no one cares about your point if it has to be this lengthy.
    i do care. why are u here btw? people are here to read the explanation, not the summary.
    only lazy people like u would waste ur time on posting that worthless post in a useful thread.

    OT : seems legit. i hope they would take it to count.
     
         

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