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    When did Naruto surpass Jiraiya ?

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    I've seen a lot of members disagree on this, some say that Fukasaku was referring to overall abilities when he said Naruto had surpassed him vs Pain, but others say that he was only referring to SM

    Anyways, what's your opinion, when did Naruto surpass the Legendary Pervert Frog Sage of the Sannin ?
     
         

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    Re: When did Naruto surpass Jiraiya ?

    Sorry I dont have an answer I want to know this too now.

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    Re: When did Naruto surpass Jiraiya ?

    I think the moment he managed to perform the rasenshuriken he kinda surpassed him....and the moment he mastered SM(even better then jiraya) he surpassed him completely)
     
         

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    Re: When did Naruto surpass Jiraiya ?

    Doesnt surpassing in SM also means being overall stronger, since SM was the peak of their abilities at that time?
     
         

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    Re: When did Naruto surpass Jiraiya ?


    The moment he "perfected" his Sage mode- he surpased him.
     
         

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    Re: When did Naruto surpass Jiraiya ?

    when they cut his umbilical cord
     
         

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    Re: When did Naruto surpass Jiraiya ?

    Naruto surpassed Jiraiya the moment he mastered sage mode....
     
         

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    Re: When did Naruto surpass Jiraiya ?

    Hmmmm ... with SM, KM, and BM I would say, yes, he has surpassed Jiraiya. At least in power.

    As far as jutsu variety and battle experience, Jiraiya would still be on top though.

    So:

    Power: Naruto (+1)
    Speed: Naruto (+1)
    Jutsu: Tie
    Experience: Jiraiya (+1)
    Plot: Naruto (+1)

    Naruto: 3
    Jiraiya: 1

    So yes, he has surpassed Jiraiya.
     
         

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    Re: When did Naruto surpass Jiraiya ?

    I don't believe it to be the moment he mastered sage mode... People, underrate Jiraiya in my eyes.

    I would say it depends, purely because i doubt that Naruto would be able to use summons, considering that they've know jiraiya allot longer so it's unlikely they will even enter the fight, which is a disadvantage to Naruto. Then again, Jiraiya can't enter sage mode without Maa & Paa, so i guess if they were on his side, then i believe jiraiya would have a good chance.

    Jiraiya may not have mastered Sage mode the the same degree as Naruto, however, Jiraiya has a vast amount of experience and jutsu, not to mention he knows how Naruto think's and operates, he was his trainer after all.

    Naruto had time to prepare for the battle, by having sage mode clones stand by which was a massive advantage for him, since he at the time was only able to go in to sage mode for 5 mintues...

    It's impossible to say because there are allot of conditions that you would have to take in to account, such as does maa & Paa help him go into sage mode, would they use genjutsu...

    This is them 1 on 1, however... Overall i believe he surpassed him when he learned Kyubbi mode, however... At this point in moment i believe he would beat him while in Sage mode because he's got experience and has learned how to use sage mode more sufficiently, although i doubt he surpassed him the moment he learned sage mode.
     
         

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    Re: When did Naruto surpass Jiraiya ?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Hero View Post

    The moment he "perfected" his Sage mode- he surpased him.
    I agree
     
         

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    Re: When did Naruto surpass Jiraiya ?

    Sage mode according to Pa, [1].
     
         

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    Re: When did Naruto surpass Jiraiya ?

    On 2010 obviously.
     
         

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    Re: When did Naruto surpass Jiraiya ?

    When Jiraiya died.
     
         

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    Re: When did Naruto surpass Jiraiya ?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Hero View Post

    The moment he "perfected" his Sage mode- he surpased him.
    even obama knows when.
     
         

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    Re: When did Naruto surpass Jiraiya ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arian View Post
    I think the moment he managed to perform the rasenshuriken he kinda surpassed him....and the moment he mastered SM(even better then jiraya) he surpassed him completely)
    i agree with you Arian, the rasenshuriken is just to beast lol
     
         

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    Re: When did Naruto surpass Jiraiya ?

    KM mode.
     
         

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    Re: When did Naruto surpass Jiraiya ?

    When kishi wrote that Naruto surpass his Master and his father. Stop trying to contradict the writer.
     
         

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    Re: When did Naruto surpass Jiraiya ?

    He truly surpassed Jiraya after his battle with Pain
     
         

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    Re: When did Naruto surpass Jiraiya ?

    After his training in the Land of the Toads
     
         

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    Re: When did Naruto surpass Jiraiya ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amantius View Post
    When kishi wrote that Naruto surpass his Master and his father. Stop trying to contradict the writer.
    Paa stated that he had surpassed his predecessors, which i don't believe. Do you seriously believe that he surpassed Minato with Sage mode?
     
         

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