.kakashi is being too overrated, and too underrated

[ezequielosses]

Some of the base members consider that he can one shot anybody with kamui, and that he's top 10.
Some of other base members consider that he's not even top 20, and that anybody in the top 10 can "rape" him.
His pwoer is arrond top 20-15 , no more no less (he's 15 in my list)

On the top 10, he can only beat :

- Bee (if he decapitates him, we're talking about BM bee, remember kakashi can warp 2/3 of hachibi)
- Crippled Nagato ( If he's very fast, he can warp him with kamui, remember nagato can't move)

Don't overrate him! he can't beat minato, naruto, sasuke, itachi, dsm kabuto, obito, hashirama etc...

Don't underrate him! he can beat oonoki, gaara and kisame! and itachi doesn't "rape him".

[Kages]

I agree, but Kakashi can't beat Onoki or Gaara.

[★LssJBroly]

Eh, I still think Crippled Nagato w/paths > Kakashi.

But otherwise, good points

[Yusuke Urameshi]

1. Top 15's fair.
2. He only Kamui'd Bee because of Kurama's chakra. That was stated.
3. He would beat a crippled man? Ya don't say. When people put Nagato in their Top 10s and such, they refer to a healthy, Prime Nagato. (I'm guessing)
4. Kakashi can't beat Oonoki.

[-Raviel-]

kakashi is somewhere between moegi and iruka.............top 100 or so

[★-Punk-]

in interesting ......i kinda agree ...but kakashi is in the TOP 100 no doubt

[Ninja Hidden in the Leafs]

he never faced nagato in person.... he kinda died fighting 1 of the 7

[Zlad]

He can't beat Bee or Nagato. He were able to teleport Bee because of the Kyuubi chakra he got

both destroys him

[HinataHime]

Nicely said but i dont think he can beat gaara or oonoki. dude they are kazekage but yeah kakashi almost got to be hokage too so we can assume they are at the same level.. i dont think he can copy gaara sand techniques though..

[zamki]

I agree..to some extent

[ShonenAnimeFreak]

he is def not top 10
he is for sure above top 30 (as most people said around 20 ish)
he is really strong but out of your list i think he could only beat gaara and kisame not bee, onoki, itachi and he would have a tough time but he could possibly beat crippled nagato

[SEEDLESS]

he cannot solo BM Bee...

[Yonbiboy13]

1. Top 15's fair.
2. He only Kamui'd Bee because of Kurama's chakra. That was stated.
3. He would beat a crippled man? Ya don't say. When people put Nagato in their Top 10s and such, they refer to a healthy, Prime Nagato. (I'm guessing)
4. Kakashi can't beat Oonoki.

This.

[AgFresco]

Learn the mechanics of Kamui and you'll understand he can defeat anyone. Its true that Kakashi had Kyuubi chakra when he teleported B, but what's also true is that he teleported something as fast moving as Susano'o arrow and something as small as a nail. Its all about line of sight and if you're in Kakashi's, you're done. Plain and simple. Ignore it all you want. Kamui is broken.

[ezequielosses]

kakashi without kurama can warp 2/3 of hachibi

He could warp himself without kurama's chakra

He warped BM naruto so fast that obito didn't see it.

[Nin89]

I agree..to some extent

this

[Ninja Hidden in the Leafs]

Fresco I get what your saying, I do have a question though. When did he get faster using the kamui since it took him somewhere around 10 min in naruto world when he used it against deidara, to instantaneous.

[Frikid]

he can't beat itachi and sasuke but he can beat onoki ....
LOL wtf??

[sthomasf]

If Kakashi actually used Kumai to its fullest potential, then he can really beat just about anyone. Thankfully for everyone else in the show, he doesnt.

Really, all he would have to do is take off someone's head and there dead. He already shown that he can teleport something as fast and as big as Sussano's Arrow without Kuubi chakra. Means that he is fast enough to catch just about anyone as its almost instantaneous.

Luckly, he never really uses Kumai to start a match, or else everyone but Obito would be in trouble. With that one move, he has the potential to literally one shot everyone else. Really though, Kumai is severely broken as its one of the most OP justus out there.

[Pravin5]

If Kakashi is too overrated then Itachi is too too too too too Overrated in this Base

[Baka Sennin]

he makes the top ten. first of all, kamui is kakashi's trump card and he causes s-rank nin plenty of trouble even without it. but kakashi's kamui works across all ranges, all he needs is to target the neck and warp the victim's head off. he tried it vs the mazou without kurama's chakra and would have succeeded too. so he can do it vs everyone. it's the only legitimate one hit ko, the only ways to really defeat it is kamui itself, the speed at which it's carried out leaves no time for a counter.

obviously there are others like hashirama, madara, hiruzen, minato, nagato, dsm kabuto, naruto, sasuke and hanzou who are stronger. but everyone yeah he can beat. in the databook w/o kamui he's only behind the sannin and itachi and by one single point at that. and he doesn't have itachi's blindness problems, or tsunade's drawbacks with the yin seal. furthermore, he's improved by leaps and bounds since the third databook, he should be at least thirty-six now, his strength, speed and stamina have all improved significantly.

[Blaze Release]

*Sigh*, not another overrated and underrated character thread. All the popular characters are overrated, but a at the same time a little room can be made about them being underrated.

Anyway firstly top whatever doesn't exist therefore you shouldn't take too much notice of ranking threads and argue with who's ranking is 'right'. Fact is none is, because kishi hasn't made one. Understand this and you wouldn't take too much notice about who a member decides to put into top whatever.

Example. Kakashi doesn't make top 15, for me. He might however make top 5 for somebody else, it depends on how you judge it really.
Majority judge it on who they believe will win a fight in a situation and that never works. Quiet a lot of things contribute to a fight. Ill give you an example.

Canonically speaking, Kisame > Bee.
Gai > kisame.

Majority will agree that Bee > Gai.

However when i rank i look at their strengths rather than who won the fight or who i believe will win a fight. kisame was a good match against bee and gai was a good match against kisame.

Though Bee lost to kisame, and kisame lost to gai. If i was to rank it will be like this
1. Bee
2. Kisame
3. Gai

Similarly id put deidara above hebi sasuke, sasori above, chiyo/sakura, hidan above shikamaru. Yes the akatsuki lost, however they are still stronger than who they lost to, because each of these fights were created in a way that, akatsuki would lose.

Orochimaru, jiraiya and bee are all above kakashi in my book.
Now kakashi can beat them with kamui without knowledge, but that doesn't mean he is stronger.
The 3 character's ive named above have overall stronger techniques/abilities but kakashi holds the ace card above them.

Dunno if you watch football, but majority agree that man for man Real have a stronger team and bench than Barca.
However Barca have the best player out of both teams which is messi. Think of oro/Jiraiya/bee as real and kakashi as barca, with messi as kamui. If that makes sense.

[kakashi ms]

kakashi is top 10 now
kakashi can beat itachi as itachi can't counter kamui but itachi can counter susano'amatrasu
kakahi now can beat nagato as he can't couter the kamui but kakashi can counter his jutsu
kakashi now can beat kabuto without edos
kakashi can warp minato as he can do it in high speed so minato won't feel to use ftg
kakashi can beat bee as he can only warp his the hatchibi's neck
kakshi can counter almost any jutsu as he can go to the other dimension where no attack can affect him
kakashi was able to kill the gedo with just alook but obito protect him
kakashi use the kamui good as he used it before kuarma chakra 6 times (gedo's head,himself,naruto,2 raisnigan.kunai) and used 4 raiki,light chain.earth wall so akashi can use it with full chakra and without use any other jutsu 10 times on similar sizes

[kakashi ms]

*Sigh*, not another overrated and underrated character thread. All the popular characters are overrated, but a at the same time a little room can be made about them being underrated.

Anyway firstly top whatever doesn't exist therefore you shouldn't take too much notice of ranking threads and argue with who's ranking is 'right'. Fact is none is, because kishi hasn't made one. Understand this and you wouldn't take too much notice about who a member decides to put into top whatever.

Example. Kakashi doesn't make top 15, for me. He might however make top 5 for somebody else, it depends on how you judge it really.
Majority judge it on who they believe will win a fight in a situation and that never works. Quiet a lot of things contribute to a fight. Ill give you an example.

Canonically speaking, Kisame > Bee.
Gai > kisame.

Majority will agree that Bee > Gai.

However when i rank i look at their strengths rather than who won the fight or who i believe will win a fight. kisame was a good match against bee and gai was a good match against kisame.

Though Bee lost to kisame, and kisame lost to gai. If i was to rank it will be like this
1. Bee
2. Kisame
3. Gai

Similarly id put deidara above hebi sasuke, sasori above, chiyo/sakura, hidan above shikamaru. Yes the akatsuki lost, however they are still stronger than who they lost to, because each of these fights were created in a way that, akatsuki would lose.

Orochimaru, jiraiya and bee are all above kakashi in my book.
Now kakashi can beat them with kamui without knowledge, but that doesn't mean he is stronger.
The 3 character's ive named above have overall stronger techniques/abilities but kakashi holds the ace card above them.

Dunno if you watch football, but majority agree that man for man Real have a stronger team and bench than Barca.
However Barca have the best player out of both teams which is messi. Think of oro/Jiraiya/bee as real and kakashi as barca, with messi as kamui. If that makes sense.

you try to get ride of kamui from kakashi
the kamui is so strong so kakshi is so strong
the kamui is fastest and strongest attack and no one can counter it
kakashi is so strong and his level is so high as he has kamui
kakashi smarter than bee ,jiraya
kakashi stronger than jiraya and bee as kakashi has stronger jutsus
kakashi doesn't have kamui only but he has so strong jutsus too
as kakashi without ms stronger than jiraya without sage mode,sasuke without ms,itachi without ms
so kakashi doesn't have kamui only if you try to say kakshi has only his ms (no)
see that
http://narutobase.net/forums/showthread.php?t=310314

[garas56]

he never faced nagato in person.... he kinda died fighting 1 of the 7

2 of 7....And killed one path..
Kakashi is awsom and sometimes overrated and underrated
But for me he is top 10 U can't change The opinion of peoples if they want him to be nr 1 he wil be for them,if they will think hes in top 20 he will be for them so For my hes top 10 fighter smartest and the moust Strongest.......