[Predictions] Naruto Manga Chapter 620 Discussion and 621 Predictions

[Kamishini]

Nice chap

[gotacigo]

Orochimaru is way stronger than before, due the White Zetsu, thats body he took.... he has now hashiramas cells...and Oro just needs to have sasukes eyes to be complete?

Everyone says that Hashirama is the "god of shinobi" - i think it has the purpose, to make that moment bigger, when Naruto takes over this place...

[overlordford]

going to be extreme epic

[Yeongwonhi]

... I can't get over the fact that it's awesome lol. I really can't wait to see what happens lol

[narutodarkfox]

it was awesome chapter 5/5

[ghetto gladiator]

dattebayo

[Hiruzen Is Awesome]

Ha..I see many of you are feeling sorry for Hiruzen and calling him the weakest you silly little fan boys. Yes Hashirama is the strongest hokage but Hiruzen is number 2 and is the next in command. Most you were wrong about tobirama being more baws than hashirama and you same children are underestimating hiruzen in the same mannor.

First of all Hiruzen was one of the most powerful shinobi in history, so much so that he was admired as the God of Shinobi (忍の神, Shinobi no Kami) in his prime, and was said to be the strongest Hokage that Konoha has ever had.[1][20][21] Even in his old age, he was also said to be the strongest of all the five Kage at the time of his death.[22] Enma commented on his battle with Orochimaru, saying that it was "miserable" compared to his prime, even though he had clearly been able to hold his own against Orochimaru and two former Hokage without losing his composure. Even in his old age, his chakra was noted for being very strong, causing a dense effect on the atmosphere when released;[23] furthermore, he was known for having immense reserves of chakra in his youth.[24] He was also the longest living and longest reigning Hokage. Hiruzen also had keen senses, being able to track down the former Hokage under Hashirama Senju's Bringer-of-Darkness Technique.

secondly, Hiruzen was also called The Professor (プロフェッサー, Purofessā), due to his mastery of all forms of shinobi combat, and his vast knowledge of techniques, purportedly knowing all the techniques within Konoha.[26] In the anime, even Danzō, Hiruzen's life-long rival, openly acknowledged the Hokage's sheer prowess in utilising any technique as unsurpassed.[27] His title also came from creating a considerable arsenal of original techniques; one of which was the Shuriken Shadow Clone Technique. With this technique, he could create a thousand clones of a single thrown shuriken in an instant to overwhelm the opponent with the extreme difficultly in evading them all. This method also meant that he didn't have stock up on a lot of shuriken. To watch over the village, he would use the Telescope Technique, allowing him to observe others through his crystal ball over long distances.[28] Despite his diminished reserves of chakra in his old age, he also showed great chakra control, needing only the minimum amount of chakra to use each technique.

Also, Sarutobi was highly skilled in elemental ninjutsu, using Fire Release and Earth Release. Fire Release: Fire Dragon Flame Bullet allowed him to exhale a powerful stream of fire from his mouth. Earth Release: Earth Flow River created a river of mud beneath the opponent to throw them off balance, and he could use the mud with Earth Release: Earth Dragon Bullet, which creates a dragon's head that launches mud balls at an opponent. He had also been shown to be adept in combining elemental techniques, as seen when he ignited the mud ball projectiles with Fire Release: Fire Dragon Bullet, creating a volley of hot mud that can melt nearly anything. Earth Release: Earth-Style Wall allowed Hiruzen to spit a stream of mud that solidifies into a protective shield. And Hiruzen also had a personal summon: Monkey King: Enma, who was capable of turning into a diamond-hard staff, which could alter its length and width at will, or become a cage to protect the summoner. The staff was Hiruzen's weapon of choice as he showed great proficiency in wielding it; he successfully pushed back Kurama with it during its attack on Konoha.[29] Enma could also manifest parts of his body and attack an enemy with his claws and fangs, which added an element of surprise.

Finally, In terms of taijutsu, Hiruzen displayed a very high level of it in old age. He was able to counter Hashirama and Tobirama in close combat, despite them being in their prime in the Summoning: Impure World Reincarnation. He could lay an explosive tag on each of them without them or Orochimaru who was controlling them even knowing. After summoning Enma, he could break Hashirama's Wood Release branches with ease.
Even when robbed of his sight from the genjutsu Bringer-of-Darkness Technique, he could still defend himself from Hashirama's and Tobirama's assaults, blocking all their attacks to prepare for his Dead Demon Consuming Seal. After sealing both former Hokage, he faced Orochimaru in single combat. Despite his sealing parts of his soul away in the Shinigami, as well as fighting for a prolonged amount of time before he engaged Orochimaru one-on-one, he effortlessly disarmed him of his sword.

Keep in mind he is not young like the others yes but he has unlimited chakra and has been around far longer than the others to see more events that have transpired. He is now free to use unlimited chakra and more than likely knows the seals that can release his edo contract as he like kakashi can use other techinques he sees as he has already demonstrated in the greatest battle of naruto to date which is hiruzen vs oro and 1st and 2nd. Yes they were not full strength edo tensei but he was also older and figting under extreme stress and more than one opponent.

here is the order :

1st best hokage = (Hashirama god of shinobi)
2nd = Hiruzen (the man is a nijitsu god)
3rd = minato (his own student almost killed him in his prime)
4th and least strong = tobirama (his temper is major weakness just like you fan boys)

Keep in mind that the original sage of 6 paths is the strongest of them all.

[Durante]

Ha..I see many of you are feeling sorry for Hiruzen and calling him the weakest you silly little fan boys. Yes Hashirama is the strongest hokage but Hiruzen is number 2 and is the next in command. Most you were wrong about tobirama being more baws than hashirama and you same children are underestimating hiruzen in the same mannor.
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The fact that Naruto once beaten him with Sexy no jutsu おいろけの術 , makes all of your arguments invalid.

[Hokage Uzumaki]

He was able to counter Hashirama and Tobirama in close combat, despite them being in their prime in the Summoning: Impure World Reincarnation

^^^HiruzenIsAwesome

What the heck are you talking about? Did you even read the chapter........Tobirama clearly states that they were MUCH weaker the first time Orochimaru brought them back and that he's honed his skill since last time. They're near full power this time but STILL not full power. We have yet too see either a full power Tobirama or Hashirama; EXCEPT in the flashback we're about too see.

Madara v. Harshirama will be the first time we get too see either of them at full strength. Purdy dang cool if ya ask me. But don't say things like that....so silly.

[Saiyansnake]

Only problem I have, is with you "should love Naruto over every other character in the Narutoverse" Dictating Naruto Balls Boys.

Oh crap" you must be the Queen of the Naruto Balls Boys club(Naruto bottom B).

Yea and you must have Naruto one tail in you, so now swallow than get off your knée's, because you are done for the day Naruto Balls Boy.

someone's mad.

[Derek1st]

I really am not interested in seeing another fight with hashi vs madara. I want to see the "almost" full power tobirama, the limitless stamina hiruzen, the sealing prowess of minato and the madara whooping strength of the first hokage. they need to get to the battlefield NOW

[lord niijima]

am i the only one who realised that the cracks in the wall was not caused by hashi but rather tobirama? and that it happened when he raised his finger and uped his chakra just a lil bit? what hashi did was raise his intimidation level. and i will say it again that tobirama could have broken free with handseals had it not been hashi intimidating him to stop

[zphone]

Ahh, can't wait for them to unveil what Sasuke wants to know

[Hiruzen Is Awesome]

All I see is fanboys here the fact is yes they were not in thier prime but neither was hiruzen. Funny how you quoted me in a short sentence just to make your point. The fact is this Hiruzen is old yes but now he has unlimited chakra and more knowledge than the rest.

Hokage order
hashirama>hiruzen>minato>tobirama

tobirama is just the weakling baby of the bunch deal with it.

[trismegist3]

Entertaining chapter I'll give it a 4/5

I liked:
Hashirama being so boss that he could break the restraint of Edo Tensei, but still decide to sit and talk
Minato sensing Naruto and the 9 tails working together
Hiruzen wanting to join the battle right away (that's the spirit)
Orochimaru being praised by Hashirama

I disliked:
Tobirama being owned by Orochimaru using his own, but perfected, jutsu.

Can't wait for the next chapter and the epic fight between the 1st and Madara. Still many questions remains like what is Orochimaru (Kabuto) real goal in all of this ? How could they know so much about the 1st, his DNA and the dojutsu ? Will Sasuke abandonned his plan for revenge ? What will happen of the Edo Tensei because I can't believe that the 1st and 2nd will let themselve be summoned like that for the rest of eternity ?

Hopefully will get to see much more action in the coming chapter; Tobirama S/T ninjutsu, the 4 hokages battling it out against Madara and Tobi.

[ObitoGokuKakashi]

This Chapter was indeed awesome. I have one question, some say that the Chackra who nearly destroit that house was Hashiramas and others say it was Tobiramas, I am sure that it was Hashis Chackra ... but can someone give an answer about that ... Was it Hashi or Tobi . ? Who was it now? o.O I'm a little bit confused.

[Hiruzen Is Awesome]

Entertaining chapter I'll give it a 4/5

I liked:
Hashirama being so boss that he could break the restraint of Edo Tensei, but still decide to sit and talk
Minato sensing Naruto and the 9 tails working together
Hiruzen wanting to join the battle right away (that's the spirit)
Orochimaru being praised by Hashirama

I disliked:
Tobirama being owned by Orochimaru using his own, but perfected, jutsu.

Can't wait for the next chapter and the epic fight between the 1st and Madara. Still many questions remains like what is Orochimaru (Kabuto) real goal in all of this ? How could they know so much about the 1st, his DNA and the dojutsu ? Will Sasuke abandonned his plan for revenge ? What will happen of the Edo Tensei because I can't believe that the 1st and 2nd will let themselve be summoned like that for the rest of eternity ?

Hopefully will get to see much more action in the coming chapter; Tobirama S/T ninjutsu, the 4 hokages battling it out against Madara and Tobi.

I agree with you I gave the chap a 4/5 only because there was no actual combat and it was short. I guess good things come in smaller packages.

[Hiruzen Is Awesome]

Okay I think I made an error I think the hokage order is this.

Hashirama>tobirama>hiruzen>minato

Sorry minato fans but I think it is indeed a number order. The more I think about it it turns this way and this is the best way logically. Plus It does not mean any of them are weak but The order is real because hashirama is simply the strongest and eldest followed by his brother and then hiruzen their pupil and finally minato who trained under hiruzen.

I think Hiruzen is way too underestimated that is why I posted my views like that.

[Rasha29]

someone's mad.

Here we go again with another "I have Naruto one tail in me and I love the power that it leave inside me" Balls Boy.

[HashiramaDescendant]

Chapter summary: Hashirama is the true god of shinobi.

[SiteSurvey]

I think the next episode will be more about the history as stated in the last page of the chapter. So it's History lesson 101 for us I guess. But this is good we will get to know more about the origin of things like how Shinobi lives before Senju and Uchiha clan to be exact as there are no hidden villages back then, how is Konoha was formed and I think it was Konoha who started the hidden village thing.

I also think that Sasuke will be in trouble after Hashirama is finished with the history of the clan. Tobirama might attack Sasuke or anything like that if Sasuke go against Konoha. But I'm excited about "THEM" joining the battle. Also come to think of it, Sasuke will then make a decision whether to go against or not the village after hearing Hashiram's story. Will this make him the child of prophecy? Hahahaha.. I think we better wait. But still I'm hoping to see "THEM" joining the war.

Great chapter 5/5

[Jkila25]

Some people don't like tobirama but I'm glad his personality is more serious. You can imagine as the little brother of the first, has saw how easy going his brother was, which probly caused to be so serious. He's straight forward and honest, and he has a passion for the village. There must be a reason he has such a dislike towards the uchiha beyond Madara. Who knows. But all in all, the first Hokage is the best. he already broke the edo tensei. I like his honor though. He's still going to talk to sasuke even though he can leave at will. What's to come will be nothing short of epic!

[italrodent]

Ha..I see many of you are feeling sorry for Hiruzen and calling him the weakest you silly little fan boys. Yes Hashirama is the strongest hokage but Hiruzen is number 2 and is the next in command. Most you were wrong about tobirama being more baws than hashirama and you same children are underestimating hiruzen in the same mannor.

First of all Hiruzen was one of the most powerful shinobi in history, so much so that he was admired as the God of Shinobi (忍の神, Shinobi no Kami) in his prime, and was said to be the strongest Hokage that Konoha has ever had.[1][20][21] Even in his old age, he was also said to be the strongest of all the five Kage at the time of his death.[22] Enma commented on his battle with Orochimaru, saying that it was "miserable" compared to his prime, even though he had clearly been able to hold his own against Orochimaru and two former Hokage without losing his composure. Even in his old age, his chakra was noted for being very strong, causing a dense effect on the atmosphere when released;[23] furthermore, he was known for having immense reserves of chakra in his youth.[24] He was also the longest living and longest reigning Hokage. Hiruzen also had keen senses, being able to track down the former Hokage under Hashirama Senju's Bringer-of-Darkness Technique.

secondly, Hiruzen was also called The Professor (プロフェッサー, Purofessā), due to his mastery of all forms of shinobi combat, and his vast knowledge of techniques, purportedly knowing all the techniques within Konoha.[26] In the anime, even Danzō, Hiruzen's life-long rival, openly acknowledged the Hokage's sheer prowess in utilising any technique as unsurpassed.[27] His title also came from creating a considerable arsenal of original techniques; one of which was the Shuriken Shadow Clone Technique. With this technique, he could create a thousand clones of a single thrown shuriken in an instant to overwhelm the opponent with the extreme difficultly in evading them all. This method also meant that he didn't have stock up on a lot of shuriken. To watch over the village, he would use the Telescope Technique, allowing him to observe others through his crystal ball over long distances.[28] Despite his diminished reserves of chakra in his old age, he also showed great chakra control, needing only the minimum amount of chakra to use each technique.

Also, Sarutobi was highly skilled in elemental ninjutsu, using Fire Release and Earth Release. Fire Release: Fire Dragon Flame Bullet allowed him to exhale a powerful stream of fire from his mouth. Earth Release: Earth Flow River created a river of mud beneath the opponent to throw them off balance, and he could use the mud with Earth Release: Earth Dragon Bullet, which creates a dragon's head that launches mud balls at an opponent. He had also been shown to be adept in combining elemental techniques, as seen when he ignited the mud ball projectiles with Fire Release: Fire Dragon Bullet, creating a volley of hot mud that can melt nearly anything. Earth Release: Earth-Style Wall allowed Hiruzen to spit a stream of mud that solidifies into a protective shield. And Hiruzen also had a personal summon: Monkey King: Enma, who was capable of turning into a diamond-hard staff, which could alter its length and width at will, or become a cage to protect the summoner. The staff was Hiruzen's weapon of choice as he showed great proficiency in wielding it; he successfully pushed back Kurama with it during its attack on Konoha.[29] Enma could also manifest parts of his body and attack an enemy with his claws and fangs, which added an element of surprise.

Finally, In terms of taijutsu, Hiruzen displayed a very high level of it in old age. He was able to counter Hashirama and Tobirama in close combat, despite them being in their prime in the Summoning: Impure World Reincarnation. He could lay an explosive tag on each of them without them or Orochimaru who was controlling them even knowing. After summoning Enma, he could break Hashirama's Wood Release branches with ease.
Even when robbed of his sight from the genjutsu Bringer-of-Darkness Technique, he could still defend himself from Hashirama's and Tobirama's assaults, blocking all their attacks to prepare for his Dead Demon Consuming Seal. After sealing both former Hokage, he faced Orochimaru in single combat. Despite his sealing parts of his soul away in the Shinigami, as well as fighting for a prolonged amount of time before he engaged Orochimaru one-on-one, he effortlessly disarmed him of his sword.

Keep in mind he is not young like the others yes but he has unlimited chakra and has been around far longer than the others to see more events that have transpired. He is now free to use unlimited chakra and more than likely knows the seals that can release his edo contract as he like kakashi can use other techinques he sees as he has already demonstrated in the greatest battle of naruto to date which is hiruzen vs oro and 1st and 2nd. Yes they were not full strength edo tensei but he was also older and figting under extreme stress and more than one opponent.

here is the order :

1st best hokage = (Hashirama god of shinobi)
2nd = Hiruzen (the man is a nijitsu god)
3rd = minato (his own student almost killed him in his prime)
4th and least strong = tobirama (his temper is major weakness just like you fan boys)

Keep in mind that the original sage of 6 paths is the strongest of them all.

hiruzen was powerful, no doubt, so was minato, in my eyes, but theres no support within the confines of the story for hiruzen being stronger than hashirama. I'm thinking Orochimaru would be the one most aware of the extent of his power but never called him god of shinobi in the presence of hashirama. Besides, there is no other clan noted to be among the strongest outside of Uchiha, Senju and Uzumaki. Hiruzen was strong in his own right and maybe during his reign as hokage, but he is simply not at the level of Hashirama or perhaps even Madara. There is as yet any proof to say how he'd matchup agaisnt Tobirama also. its Obvious, in the end he had to face off against two underpowered Senju, that feat doesnt hold up, they were not at fulll strength. Recently, we saw how he responded to Tobirama's attempt at attacking Sasuke( he only lifted a finger) and how he responded to Hashirama as he 'roused' his chakra. he was truly great for his time, but just not the greatest or most powerful. There isnt anythng in the manga that suggested he surpassed his mentors. oh and if he could have released himself from Edo as easily as Hashi, he wouldve done so, being so eager to approach the battlefield. Until they start harvesting/ seeking Sarutobi,s cells for a power boost, its hard to think of him as above Hashirama in any way. my two cents

[God Itachi]

Was a bit boring but i was satisfied since itachi is a better shinobi lol

[LePontjo]

Hashirama stated in the last manga he would like to free Sasuke from being another Madara. What I believe is what Hashi will tell Sasuke will only make him(Sasuke) more hateful or more so push Sasuke to a Madara level.
I came up with this because i believe its Naruto who will have to convince Sasuke to change, its the only way I see they're battle happening...
So with this in mind I also think Sasuke's next opponent will be Hashirama, this will be our only way of measuring Sasuke's strength b4 he heads to face Naruto....
If u disagree all I can say is Hashi has been moving on his on free will for sometime, Oro has noticed and so has Hashi. Oro might zombiefy the other kage to help face Hashi and since the hype about Hashi states he knows sealing techs he can use them to seal the kages.
Well those are just my thoughts...