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    Shinsuusenju = Gedo Mazo?

    I keep updating this thread from time to time as more arguments against my theory keeps comming in.
    i´m doing my best to find out ways that this theory might actually work. Thanks for your time!




    Could the Shinsuusenju have been captured by madara, and then modded into gedo mazo so it could hold the tailed beasts?

    *Is that why it have its hands and feets in chains under madaras/Obitos control?
    *It is roughly the same size. (This statement is wrong, so please read "Uppdate 3")
    *They both seem to be made out of wood.
    *The broken of "Sticks" on the Gedo Mazo could be broken of arms?



    Pic of the Shinsuusenju.


    Pic of Gedo Mazo.





    Update:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ::::::::::::::::::::::::::

    Thanks for all the attention and reps everyone! I´m also happy for having people talking against my theory because i can´t say i am 100% sure about this theory but i´m trying to figure it out the best i can

    Ok, people are claiming that the Juubi was summoned from the prison in the moon.
    But why doesn´t the Gedo mazo look anything like the Juubi from the start? Why did it have to transform twice?

    First to a fat monster that doesnt even seem to even have legs.



    And second A skinny looking guy with only one arm and his face all twisted.


    Shouldnt he have looked like the juubi from the start if he was summoned from the moon, in my opinion he resembles the Shinsuusenju way more.
    So, i´m still standing with my thoughts that Madara somehow captured the Shinsuusenju and "Modded" him to work as a tailed-beast container (Adding more eyes) etc.
    Or maybe even created one of his own after he got his hands on the senju DNA (Uchiha can copy jutsus).

    Also, you can´t look past that Uchiha lie all the time in this Manga, so when Madara told tobi that he unlocked the moon-prison he maybe was lying? I can accept that he unlocked the formula to create a Tailed-Beast holder thanks to the rinnegan but i do believe Shinsuusenju is the body of Gedo Mazo.




    UPPDATE 2 :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ::::::::::::::::::::::::.

    Okay, people are now writing that it could not be possible because, how could a jutsu by itself produce chackra after decades of its summoner died?

    Well, i have come up with two different explanations to that question.

    First of all: it is NOT an inanimate like a stone golem, The Gedo Mazo/Shinsuusenju is made from wood so it is a living organism, it is also a jutsu that was summoned thanks to the firsts sage mode, so it is a possibility that the gedo mazo is able to gather its own natural energy and store it for Madaras use. (Often when we see it out of battle it seems to be sitting in a meditate-position).

    The second explanation: is the gedo mazo cannot gather its own energy, but it´s rather the Living brain-dead clone of the first hokage that is attatched to that huge flower that the Gedo Mazo is sitting on that is gathering natural energy and feeding it to the Gedo Mazo.



    UPPDATE 3::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: :::::::::::::::::::::::

    Yes, The Shinsuusenju is way bigger then the Gedo Mazo, But i will try to extend what i have written earlier.

    1*Madara could have captured it. And if he captured it it might have been in a weakend state , The Shinsuusenju Might become smaller and less powerfull the less arms it have or the more damage it takes. Or maybe it needs a steady input of Sage chakra to keep its size, And the real First hokage must be way better then the Brain-dead clone.

    Or.

    2*Madara could have copied the jutsu "Shinsuusenju" with his sharingan and used the jutsu himself after he inserted himself with the First:s DNA. But as Madara dont have any Sage-Mode, The jutsu might have become a much weaker form (No arms, Smaller, Etc).
     
         
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    Re: Shinsuusenju = Gedo Mazo?

    No, the mazo is from Rinnegan. I guess it doesn't have any connections...
     
         

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    Re: Shinsuusenju = Gedo Mazo?

    No gedou mazo is summon of rinnegan.
     
         

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    Re: Shinsuusenju = Gedo Mazo?

    nope
     
         

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    Re: Shinsuusenju = Gedo Mazo?

    no, that thing literally stomps the Gedo.
     
         

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    Re: Shinsuusenju = Gedo Mazo?

    No!

    Gedo Mazo is the body of the Ten-Tails, Madara summond it from the Moon. :y
     
         

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    Re: Shinsuusenju = Gedo Mazo?

    Nope gedo mazou is shell of ten-tails
     
         

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    Re: Shinsuusenju = Gedo Mazo?

    gedo mazo^3
     
         

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    Re: Shinsuusenju = Gedo Mazo?

    Quote Originally Posted by IKSOKRIPS View Post
    No!

    Gedo Mazo is the body of the Ten-Tails, Madara summond it from the Moon. :y
    This
     
         

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    Re: Shinsuusenju = Gedo Mazo?

    Well, when it comes to this manga, Uciha are not to be trusted in what they say :P

    *Itachi lied and was not a Bad guy
    *Obito lied about being Madara

    So what if Madara didnt break out the body from the moon but instead built his own tailed-beast-holder?
     
         

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    Re: Shinsuusenju = Gedo Mazo?

    No
     
         

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    Re: Shinsuusenju = Gedo Mazo?

    i believe so, gedo mazo is the shell of the ten tails and does not hold the power of the incomplete tentails.
     
         

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    Re: Shinsuusenju = Gedo Mazo?

    Nice i like the way you think but dont think so
    Juubi has 10 hands, while shinsuusenju limit is 1000 hehe kinda have similarties
     
         

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    Re: Shinsuusenju = Gedo Mazo?

    It is not rouglhy the same size.. it's as big as the Nine Tailed Fox, which is much smaller than the Shinsuusenju
     
         

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    Re: Shinsuusenju = Gedo Mazo?

    no it is smaller, presumable different abilities, madara created it from the cells of hari, and it can only be summoned by those who have dojitsu.
     
         

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    Re: Shinsuusenju = Gedo Mazo?

    No just no. Madara said himself that once he awaked Rinnegan he broke a certain seal and was able to summon the empty shell of the Juubi from the Moon (which is the seal)
     
         

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    Re: Shinsuusenju = Gedo Mazo?

    One is the shell of the ten tails. The other is just a jutsu.
     
         

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    Re: Shinsuusenju = Gedo Mazo?

    Quote Originally Posted by IKSOKRIPS View Post
    No!

    Gedo Mazo is the body of the Ten-Tails, Madara summond it from the Moon. :y
    ^^^^ /thread
     
         

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    Re: Shinsuusenju = Gedo Mazo?

    Gedo mazo is the body of the tentails. But it does look like a corrupted shinsuusenju
     
         

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    Re: Shinsuusenju = Gedo Mazo?

    I dont think so
     
         

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    Re: Shinsuusenju = Gedo Mazo?

    I think that gedo mazo is the body shell of the juubi and the ASAP madara wishes to combine them toghter.. but I am also little skepticla on this matter, since I recall reading somewhere that SO6P locked juubies body at the center of the moon by using chibaku tensei...
    but the connection of the sunju's thousand hand thing and madara controlled current gedo is little unclear...
    personally I think that since all of them were born out of the sage art they have similar kind of presentation and abilities...
     
         

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    Re: Shinsuusenju = Gedo Mazo?

    I am 100% sure the ShisuuSenju is Chiriku's jutsu. Just on a much more massive scale. Take a look at the one that Chiriku/Asuma used and compare it to Hashirama's.
     
         

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    Re: Shinsuusenju = Gedo Mazo?

    Quote Originally Posted by Supreme x Uchiha View Post
    It is not rouglhy the same size.. it's as big as the Nine Tailed Fox, which is much smaller than the Shinsuusenju
    Exactly, they are not even close in size.Shinsuusenju is much bigger and they look too different from each other.Namely the number of hands doesn´t match at all.Gedo has some thing that look as if they are broken arms or something but nowhere near the amount of arms as Hashirama´s jutsu.
     
         

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    Re: Shinsuusenju = Gedo Mazo?

    i don't know man but i think you might be right, might explain why madra got the idea of taking his cells in the first place, maybe the 1st summoned it as a last resort against madra. Which then freed him from the moon. makes since to me, good find hope it turns out to be true.
     
         

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    Re: Shinsuusenju = Gedo Mazo?

    This chapter proves you wrong
    http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/595/2
     
         

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