Shinsuusenju = Gedo Mazo?

[jediknite2]

hahaha......... really? did you read ur own post how can u be so blind ot u just throlling they aint even close. no wait the gedo is one of the huge stone frogs at the temple where naruto learnt sage art. no now i get it madara held hashi hostage and had him great the shell of the juubi (gedo mazo) and added a secret just to it to be able to keep producing chakara even after decades....... hahahahaaaaa

[Floydical]

The Gedo Mazo is the original shell, without a doubt. There are two ways to explain the difference. One, we have not yet seen the Juubi's final form, so it is possible it will look more like the statue after it has transformed completely. Two, the actual container of the Juubi changed its form when the beasts were removed from it. Perhaps the outer appearance we are seeing that depicts the Juubi is only a result of the chakra on top of the shell, where the shell doesn't actually portray any of the Juubi's multiple forms?

[Zato]

How did this get 4 pages... Madara out of own mouth said that when he got the Rinnegan something from the moon was signaling him. That's when he summoned the Gedo Mazou from the moon. This turned out to be the shell of the 10tails.

[Draxus]

If anyone ever wanted to see 70 different ways of saying "no, you're wrong". Look no further!

[itachi uchiha fiance]

Actually it was difficult for me to write anything cause ur thread is great but it went over my head

[Tawleyn]

Some of you guys need to show a lot more respect for other people's theories. Hell, people laughed and trolled and complained at every thread explaining that tobi was obito and look what happened.

Granted, I personally don't think that the gedo is the shinsuusenju. However, he has decent enough evidence, and maybe kishi would have some ulterior motive for making it so. Reminds me of something that already happened... oh right, OBITO!!

People were so very wrong in their reasons why tobi was obito, but in the end, kishi gave his OWN explanation as to how it fit into his world, so who knows?

Not us!

Good theory bro.

[Namar]

Gedo Mazou is the Summon that the SOT6P used to seal the bijuu and separate it in to the all 9 tailed beasts.

[Heikegani]

Hey guys... Did everyone forget that pain(then nagato) summoned the gedo mazo through rinnegan when danzo and salamander hanzou surround him and konan gets hurt!!

This. Gotta stop feeding this fire.

[Macpower]

although I like the idea, no. There is simply no feasible way that they can be the same thing. It is a fact that the sage of six paths sealed the juubi into the moon, so it wouldn't be a stretch that Madara was able to break the seal with the rinnegan. Also, why would he lie about it? There was no reason for him to lie about releasing the juubi. Plus, how could he have possibly made the shinsuusenju into a host for the tailed beasts? This is a point that I want to stress because you are implying that Madara was magically able to make a jutsu into a suitable host for the ten tails. Also, I think you are forgetting that the gedo mazo was constantly releasing chakra even though it was just a shell, which leads me to believe that it was actually the ten tails body since the ten tails is supposedly the progenitor of chakra and life, WHICH leads me to believe that it was NOT the shinsuusenju, unless you are implying that Hashirama was SO STRONG that a jutsu of his (note that his technique is NOT a summon, just an extremely overpowered wood style jutsu) was able to constantly release chakra for a century after his death. If you look at these points, I think you will see that your theory is impossible.

Than you for your really interesting post! Yes i might have overlooked writing about that part where The Gedo mazo/shinsuusenju is releasing chackra all the time, but i have now updated my first post. so please read "UPDATE 2" where i explain how this is possible.

Also the Shinsuusenju is on a total different size scale than the Gedo knowing that Choji and his dad where the same size as the Gedo and the Kyuubi was a rat next to the Shinsuusenju.

Thank you for your post proving me wrong in my Initial post, this is true that the Shinsuusenju is NOT "roughly the same size" as the current Gedo Mazo. I only have two explanations two this and it´s either that Madara Created his own Shinsuusenju after he got his hands on The first:s DNA (But could only do a smaller one), or that the Shinsuusenju lost his power thanks to loosing his many arms and being transfered to Madara, and in that way shrinking in size.

The Gedo Mazo is the original shell, without a doubt. There are two ways to explain the difference. One, we have not yet seen the Juubi's final form, so it is possible it will look more like the statue after it has transformed completely. Two, the actual container of the Juubi changed its form when the beasts were removed from it. Perhaps the outer appearance we are seeing that depicts the Juubi is only a result of the chakra on top of the shell, where the shell doesn't actually portray any of the Juubi's multiple forms?

Thank you for your post! Great comment that made me question my own theory!
I have two explanations two if the current form of the Juubi is it´s final form or if it have one transformation left:

1. The juubi still have one transformation left, If we look at the earlier pics where the sage of six paths is fighting the Juubi he have different horns and looks to have a bigger torso than his current skinny form.


2. The skinny form IS his final transformation, But he is really skinny and only have one arm because Obito didnt use the full power of the Nine-tails & 8-Tails when he combined the juubi.

Some of you guys need to show a lot more respect for other people's theories. Hell, people laughed and trolled and complained at every thread explaining that tobi was obito and look what happened.

Granted, I personally don't think that the gedo is the shinsuusenju. However, he has decent enough evidence, and maybe kishi would have some ulterior motive for making it so. Reminds me of something that already happened... oh right, OBITO!!

People were so very wrong in their reasons why tobi was obito, but in the end, kishi gave his OWN explanation as to how it fit into his world, so who knows?

Not us!

Good theory bro.

Thank you for your inspiring reply ^^
Of course i´m not 100% sure that this theory is right but i´m still going to stand by it until we see the real results, and it´s funnier and more appreciated if people reply with serious answers about why my theory is wrong. i have updated it several times because thanks to people questioning the theory and i myself is thinking more how the puzzle could fit together.

Gedo Mazou is the Summon that the SOT6P used to seal the bijuu and separate it in to the all 9 tailed beasts.

Thank you for your post!
So you are saying that SOT6P Summonend the Gedo Mazou and then sealed the juubi into it and then sealed the Gedo Mazou into the moon?
This is quite interesting because as we know the SOT6P became the jinchuuriki of the Juubi. and then after a couple of years divided the juubis chackra into the 9 tailed beasts... So there was no real body of the juubi when it got split up? Or did SOT6P Seal the Juubis body into the moon during the first time he became the jinchuuriki and sealed the chackra into his body?
I will probably do an update thanks to this post.

[Niwdog]

Why is everyone gaining mob mentality against this theory? It's a THEORY. Give it a chance at least. It IS a possibility and I can see how it might be the case. And nothing stated in the manga, especially by a character is golden or final since new information can be revealed as the manga goes along to invalidate old information and because of that it IS possible, so the THEORY has a chance of being true. It's good to counter-argue and everyone has their opinion, but "It's 100% false" is not necessarily true and there's no need for a slaughter, is there? Especially considering that this is the poor OP's 1st post/thread, it seems... even though they joined in July 2012? Yeah not too sure about my last statement, but it's ONE of the OP's 1st posts....

[NArutouzzi]

That thing is way bigger then the gedo even without the hands so no madara did not find that and take it, he summoned the gedo from the moon, it was even stated in the manga.

[VangBro95]

Gedo Mazo could probably be a weaker version of it.

[Macpower]

Why is everyone gaining mob mentality against this theory? It's a THEORY. Give it a chance at least. It IS a possibility and I can see how it might be the case. And nothing stated in the manga, especially by a character is golden or final since new information can be revealed as the manga goes along to invalidate old information and because of that it IS possible, so the THEORY has a chance of being true. It's good to counter-argue and everyone has their opinion, but "It's 100% false" is not necessarily true and there's no need for a slaughter, is there? Especially considering that this is the poor OP's 1st post/thread, it seems... even though they joined in July 2012? Yeah not too sure about my last statement, but it's ONE of the OP's 1st posts....

Thank you for your comment, Rep to you ^^
And yes it is a Theory only but they keep adding "Fuel to the fire" as when they come up with arguments against my theory i get more interested in how this puzzle might fit together, that´s why i keep updating it quite often.
This is actually my second thread, i think i joined 2012 to write another thread about i theory i had but it was proven false quite quick. i´m not so active in the forum except in sometimes reading what other people write, but when i saw the simularities in these humanoid summons i just had to write a new thread

[themuna]

Hey man. Great inventive idea. People on this site are such haters sometimes. I can't understand how so much arrogance stems from reading a manga. I've been reading this manga weekly since 06 and would never proclaim to KNOW what's about to happen. Your theory has plenty of merit and I wouldn't be surprised if it was true.

Most of the forum users here are obviously little boys who sit around in there rooms waiting to talk trash to somebody so that they can feel good about themselves for all of 6 seconds. Don't sweat it and stick to your theory.

[jess]

can somebody tell me what is that big scroll and its use at hashiramas back.

[IzanamiFan]

I think this Jutsu is just like all the other wood release tech. He just grows shit. This last thing he grew (we know he can do it fast, as Madara has said that Hashi could spawn a forrest in an instant), is just shaped that way and can move in the way it does. It's so large, because it is just on a jutsu on another level, since he has the bonus of natural energy. I really do not believe there is a relationship between this tech and the ten tails.

Peace.

[LastSamurai]

still a big fat NO, everything you've writen until now starts with "what if"
actual proof? -_-

[Pragmatic]

Uchiha can't copy Kekkei Genkais, wood release is a Kekkei Genkai

Stupid Madara did not copy with his Sharingan he has Hashimara's cells.

Anyway this theroy has been proved incorrect due to size scale and Gedo is a summon on the Rinnegan

[BodyFlicker]

No i dont think so....

[Macpower]

Stupid Madara did not copy with his Sharingan he has Hashimara's cells.

Anyway this theroy has been proved incorrect due to size scale and Gedo is a summon on the Rinnegan

I see that you didnt read my "Update 3" Part.
as i´ve said earlier, i keep updating the thread when i´m being disproven in the theory.
it´s thanks to all those that keep oposing and finding flaws in the theory that i can finally fit the puzzle together =)

still a big fat NO, everything you've writen until now starts with "what if"
actual proof? -_-

Did you miss that it was a Theory? ^^
or should i ask if you know what a theory is?

Hey man. Great inventive idea. People on this site are such haters sometimes. I can't understand how so much arrogance stems from reading a manga. I've been reading this manga weekly since 06 and would never proclaim to KNOW what's about to happen. Your theory has plenty of merit and I wouldn't be surprised if it was true.

Most of the forum users here are obviously little boys who sit around in there rooms waiting to talk trash to somebody so that they can feel good about themselves for all of 6 seconds. Don't sweat it and stick to your theory.

Thank you for your nice words! Rep for you!

yeah it seems to be somewhat true that some people in this thread can´t accept the theory and trashtalk instead of writing something real to disprove the theory. But there have been some golden replies that i read, analyzed and tried my best to come up with a comeback to how the theory still could be valid. that´s why i keep updating the first post.