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    Re: "AO" What is capable of

    Quote Originally Posted by Mighty Curtain Messiah View Post
    I don't remember the fight so I can't argue on that matter but Sharingan helped Kakashi to complete his Chidori beause it alowed him to see his enemies.
    I must say that complete the raikiri is just the wrong use of the word, as he already had it completed before sharingan (see kakashi gaiden). I think you want to say that it helped him to use it better, as before the sharingan he had difficulties on targeting the enemies. Still, that's why he developed the technique with his dogs, to keep the enemy immobile while he makes a critical strike (see the fight against zabuza).
     
         

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    Re: "AO" What is capable of

    the sharingan allowed kakashi to predict his opponents counterattacks, not see his enemies, if you go back to the kakashi gaiden he was already able to sense where the enemy was without sharingan, his lack of sharingan however left him open to counterattack which is why minato was forced to save him.

    and is just me or does it seem logical that tobi would not tell the kage's that byakugan can read from the tablet as well. i mean konoha possesses every single known byakugan user but one, ao, giving them a number of people who could read from the tablet. and isnt the tablet how madara and izuna found out about mangekyou? (i dont recall if thats been said in the manga its just a guess) so i believe that if the byakugan can read from the tablet there are most likely secrets related to it that would allow it to advance to another leve, however that is just speculation.

    and about the origin of the byakugan, why couldnt byakugan and sharingan have come from the so6p son. he could have had two kids, one birthed with sharingan and the other byakugan??

    and curtain messiah, we have barely seen the byakugan throughout the whole manga, and we have seen the sharingan most of the time, so of course we are not going to have witnessed a byakugan user doing a lot of what you stated. i mean why did the cloud ninja try to steal hinata instead of a sharingan user??? the manga has already stated that kumo is a militaristic village seeking power so why try to acquire byakugan instead of sharingan??? and i dont think it was a matter of hyuga being weaker than uchiha thereby makin it easier to steal because hiashi still whooped on that kumo-nins ass
     
         

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    Re: "AO" What is capable of

    Quote Originally Posted by JustMyself View Post
    I must say that complete the raikiri is just the wrong use of the word, as he already had it completed before sharingan (see kakashi gaiden). I think you want to say that it helped him to use it better, as before the sharingan he had difficulties on targeting the enemies. Still, that's why he developed the technique with his dogs, to keep the enemy immobile while he makes a critical strike (see the fight against zabuza).
    It just depends onw hat is complete and what is incompete to you. For me, a complete technique is the one you can use in an effective and efficient way.



    Quote Originally Posted by sageofmyobokuzan View Post
    the sharingan allowed kakashi to predict his opponents counterattacks, not see his enemies, if you go back to the kakashi gaiden he was already able to sense where the enemy was without sharingan, his lack of sharingan however left him open to counterattack which is why minato was forced to save him.

    and is just me or does it seem logical that tobi would not tell the kage's that byakugan can read from the tablet as well. i mean konoha possesses every single known byakugan user but one, ao, giving them a number of people who could read from the tablet. and isnt the tablet how madara and izuna found out about mangekyou? (i dont recall if thats been said in the manga its just a guess) so i believe that if the byakugan can read from the tablet there are most likely secrets related to it that would allow it to advance to another leve, however that is just speculation.

    and about the origin of the byakugan, why couldnt byakugan and sharingan have come from the so6p son. he could have had two kids, one birthed with sharingan and the other byakugan??

    and curtain messiah, we have barely seen the byakugan throughout the whole manga, and we have seen the sharingan most of the time, so of course we are not going to have witnessed a byakugan user doing a lot of what you stated. i mean why did the cloud ninja try to steal hinata instead of a sharingan user??? the manga has already stated that kumo is a militaristic village seeking power so why try to acquire byakugan instead of sharingan??? and i dont think it was a matter of hyuga being weaker than uchiha thereby makin it easier to steal because hiashi still whooped on that kumo-nins ass


    Well, I'm not saying it sucks, I'm just saying it limits.. as any other village Kekkei genkai.Me personally, I find it quite stupid that all these clans ( Hyuga, Akimichi, Inuzuka w/e) only rely on their clan abilities... They can never become great this way.

    And someone stole Hinata probably because:

    It was easier to mess with Hyuga than Uchiha

    Uchihas were killed by Itachi -_-
     
         

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    Re: "AO" What is capable of

    Quote Originally Posted by JustMyself View Post
    If we take it this way, then you're so damn right.
    However (I really like this word ), these facts were told in a short moment with the expression "They told me", like if they aren't sure about it or the fact is instantly converted into common knowledge. What tobi told took about one entire chapter and was told with conviction, as if he knew what he's talking about, that's why I believe (or wish to) that Kishimoto didn't wrote and entire chapter full of lies or random theories/fables.
    Of course, the manga may end with Tobi trying to fuse every single beast with no success, figuring out that everything was just a legend (a lame ending, yes). We still have what is written on the Uchiha hideout (that what only those with rinnegan and sharingan may read - Pain was in Akatsuki and he had rinnegan). Maybe all the story and conviction came from there.

    Just my 2cents.
    Well we have to take Madara's information as the truth for the time being.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mighty Curtain Messiah View Post
    Byakugan isn't strong, in fact, it limit your abilities to "gentle fist" style. Have you ever expirienced a Hyuga performing any strong elemental jutsu? Have you ever seen them develope something great aside from their inferior fighting style?

    Byakugan limits the user to be close range, it just makes a wielder believe he doesn't have any room for developement when it comes to elemental techniques, far range, and great achievements.

    Sharingan doesn't limit you, moreover,it inspires and motivates you to create strong and badass techniques (Kakashi's chidori).


    I just really hope AO posesses really great combat skills himself, and will use Byakugan to help him fight, instead of using this disasterous palm-face-gentle-fist-whatever fighting style.


    And I seriousy doubt that we will observe any major Byakugan improvements...
    However, it would be quite logical if one of Byakugan's abilities was to sustain and see through genjutsu's.
    So essentially your saying that Ao will be a superior version of a Byakugan user? It'd be kinda hilarious if he did take it further then those with the pure version.

    Quote Originally Posted by sageofmyobokuzan View Post
    the sharingan allowed kakashi to predict his opponents counterattacks, not see his enemies, if you go back to the kakashi gaiden he was already able to sense where the enemy was without sharingan, his lack of sharingan however left him open to counterattack which is why minato was forced to save him.

    and is just me or does it seem logical that tobi would not tell the kage's that byakugan can read from the tablet as well. i mean konoha possesses every single known byakugan user but one, ao, giving them a number of people who could read from the tablet. and isnt the tablet how madara and izuna found out about mangekyou? (i dont recall if thats been said in the manga its just a guess) so i believe that if the byakugan can read from the tablet there are most likely secrets related to it that would allow it to advance to another leve, however that is just speculation.

    and about the origin of the byakugan, why couldnt byakugan and sharingan have come from the so6p son. he could have had two kids, one birthed with sharingan and the other byakugan??

    and curtain messiah, we have barely seen the byakugan throughout the whole manga, and we have seen the sharingan most of the time, so of course we are not going to have witnessed a byakugan user doing a lot of what you stated. i mean why did the cloud ninja try to steal hinata instead of a sharingan user??? the manga has already stated that kumo is a militaristic village seeking power so why try to acquire byakugan instead of sharingan??? and i dont think it was a matter of hyuga being weaker than uchiha thereby makin it easier to steal because hiashi still whooped on that kumo-nins ass
    Well Madara did emphasise that the tablet is currently still under Konoha and since the Byakugan is one of the 3 great dojutsus, it'd mean that Konoha not having 2 of those dojutsu users, are more then likely going to try a Byakugan user to read it if they find it. I'm sure he would know this possibility if the Byakugan had their part in the tablet but he didn't seem concerned because they most likely didn't have a part. Time will tell though.

    Well we don't know if they did or if any other clan/country tried as well. The Sharingan have been feared since the times of the founding villages and it's certainly no easy task. The cloud could have just focused on the Hyuuga at the time and that's what Kishi wanted to show.
     
         

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    Re: "AO" What is capable of

    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyria View Post
    Well we have to take Madara's information as the truth for the time being.



    So essentially your saying that Ao will be a superior version of a Byakugan user? It'd be kinda hilarious if he did take it further then those with the pure version.



    No, I haven't and I wonder where have you got that idea from.

    I just said that Ao, not being a pure Byakugan user, can use it as a tool to help him fight, instead sticking to one fighting style like Hyugas do ( that's what makes them weaker than Uchihas, Senju)
     
         

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    Re: "AO" What is capable of

    I have a feeling that there is a way to advance the byakugan further, but either noone has discovered it yet, or it simply has yet to be shown.
     
         

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    Re: "AO" What is capable of

    Quote Originally Posted by Mighty Curtain Messiah View Post
    Byakugan isn't strong, in fact, it limit your abilities to "gentle fist" style. Have you ever expirienced a Hyuga performing any strong elemental jutsu? Have you ever seen them develope something great aside from their inferior fighting style?

    Byakugan limits the user to be close range, it just makes a wielder believe he doesn't have any room for developement when it comes to elemental techniques, far range, and great achievements.

    Sharingan doesn't limit you, moreover,it inspires and motivates you to create strong and badass techniques (Kakashi's chidori).
    Byakugan is alright as Hugas seem to use it pretty well. It's a powerful defence and there is nothing wrong in being a close range fighter. Naruto is basically a close range fighter himself.

    Secondly, Hugas are secondary character so we don't get to see much of them either way. Current hugas are not very ambitious, unlike the current Uchihas, so they haven't tried to creat problems and conflicts and gather power for sake of power.

    Whoever tried to steal Byakugan did so to use it their advantage. Sharingan eats too much chakra and even Uchihas cannot use it for longer period without getting blind.

    We never saw Uchiha's fighting with bayakugan users either. Bayakugan user can see chakra points and sense them from miles away. Sharingan has it's limits as well. Zabuza's mist had made sharingan useless.

    Gentle fist may be gentle but it can be deadly. Neji had beaten the long range fighter, the spider guy carrying Orochimaru's second level seal, in Sasuke's retreaval arc despite range limits. He had to get a little creative that's it.

    Most importantly do not forget that Madara, Itachi and Sasuke are exceptional fighters. Madara's sharingan isn't the only reason of his power- he is a master manipulator and a cunnig guy and Itachi ended up dead at a young age.

    Sharingan itself doesn't inspire you to do anything. It's like saying that your hammer inspires you but screw driver doesn't. It depend on the individual personality.

    So far, in the manga, rest of Uchiha clan memebers didn't seem very proud of their overacheiver cousins and in fact their abilties inspired only dislike and hate within clan itself. All these three EMS users only acheived alienation from friends and families and title of rouges.
     
         
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    Re: "AO" What is capable of

    All very interesting points and seemingly logical I just had a few things to add and ask since those who have responded seem watch the anime and read the manga as much as myself.

    First of all Byakugan is not weak it's actually a monsterous dojitsu that the Hyuga posses but we won't go into detail about all that. I thank those who helped to clear some of my confussion but truth be told my theories about the Byakugan cant be that far off but we'll see in the future.

    I really must say that although Madara spoke truth,and i'll say it truth, to Sasuke accept the part that he didn't send the 9 tailed fox to Konoha which catapulted quiet a few disasterous events. If he is capable of that you think he wouldn't with hold certain info to protect himself, preserve the true nature of his plan, or make himself seem innocent for that matter?

    We see in the same manga he declares the war in that Sasuke was not around when he mentioned taking his eyes after he perfected Susanoo. This is also my opinion.

    And bare with me if you will that the moon is white behind the ripples and the tomas. Also Rinnengan was seen looking through the inside of a summoning creature hence the Byakugan possible connection in it all. But really the thread was about Ao and his ability to utilize the Byakugan eye along with his own techniques at his disposal and whether or not he would be able to handle himself in the onslaught to come thus far he seems to have some incredible foes ahead of him.
     
         

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    Re: "AO" What is capable of

    Quote Originally Posted by Dtoxxdasavvyone View Post
    But really the thread was about Ao and his ability to utilize the Byakugan eye along with his own techniques at his disposal and whether or not he would be able to handle himself in the onslaught to come thus far he seems to have some incredible foes ahead of him.
    We derailed the thread way before I chipped in.

    AO is a minor character so far. All he did was to see though Danzou because of a stolen bayakugan and we know he was a sensor. For the rest, we can only speculate based on " nothing" for we know only nothing about him. Only safe bet is that he is still capable of eye donation.
     
         

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    Re: "AO" What is capable of

    Quote Originally Posted by Archor View Post
    We derailed the thread way before I chipped in.

    AO is a minor character so far. All he did was to see though Danzou because of a stolen bayakugan and we know he was a sensor. For the rest, we can only speculate based on " nothing" for we know only nothing about him. Only safe bet is that he is still capable of eye donation.
    Eye donation huh that shitts funny but I really think he'll manage to pull out of the struggle Byakugan and all I feel like he was the escort of the Mizukage for more reasons than just the Byakugan so hopefully he show us some blood mist village no jutsu like none we have seen before. With that said he is in a sticky ass prediciment looks like we'll find out soon huh!!!!
     
         

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    Re: "AO" What is capable of

    Quote Originally Posted by Dtoxxdasavvyone View Post
    Eye donation huh that shitts funny but I really think he'll manage to pull out of the struggle Byakugan and all I feel like he was the escort of the Mizukage for more reasons than just the Byakugan so hopefully he show us some blood mist village no jutsu like none we have seen before. With that said he is in a sticky ass prediciment looks like we'll find out soon huh!!!!

    Well... Byakugan can see in fog, Sharingan cannot, One eye sharingan and another byakugan might be deadly combination. Let's hope that you are right and Ao doesn't end up making Danzou more powerful than before.
     
         

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    Re: "AO" What is capable of

    Quote Originally Posted by Mighty Curtain Messiah View Post
    No, I haven't and I wonder where have you got that idea from.

    I just said that Ao, not being a pure Byakugan user, can use it as a tool to help him fight, instead sticking to one fighting style like Hyugas do ( that's what makes them weaker than Uchihas, Senju)
    Ahh I see. I was trying to read between the lines

    Though he could very well be. If he can use the Hidden Mist technique and have the Taijutsu skills comparable to that of an average Hyuuga then that's a deadly combo. He was able to defeat a Hyuuga in the first place, survive the bloody mist exams (he looks older then Zabuza) and belittles a 7 swordsmen member(yeah he's a kid). He's a personal escort to the Mizukage and most likely knows high level water jutsus.

    Quote Originally Posted by Archor View Post
    Well... Byakugan can see in fog, Sharingan cannot, One eye sharingan and another byakugan might be deadly combination. Let's hope that you are right and Ao doesn't end up making Danzou more powerful than before.
    The funny thing is that he is going to have at least have one of them active to see and it'll just put his body in even more pressure. If Kakashi whose relatively young gets tired from having the Sharingan open then Danzo being the far older ninja won't have it easy. Would be exciting to see the combination working together though.
     
         

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    Re: "AO" What is capable of

    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyria View Post
    Ahh I see. I was trying to read between the lines

    Though he could very well be. If he can use the Hidden Mist technique and have the Taijutsu skills comparable to that of an average Hyuuga then that's a deadly combo. He was able to defeat a Hyuuga in the first place, survive the bloody mist exams (he looks older then Zabuza) and belittles a 7 swordsmen member(yeah he's a kid). He's a personal escort to the Mizukage and most likely knows high level water jutsus.



    The funny thing is that he is going to have at least have one of them active to see and it'll just put his body in even more pressure. If Kakashi whose relatively young gets tired from having the Sharingan open then Danzo being the far older ninja won't have it easy. Would be exciting to see the combination working together though.
    I hope Danzo dies and by Ao or Mizukage's hand I can't stomach such a repugnant character.
     
         

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    Re: "AO" What is capable of

    Quote Originally Posted by Dtoxxdasavvyone View Post
    I hope Danzo dies and by Ao or Mizukage's hand I can't stomach such a repugnant character.
    I think he adds alot to the history..
     
         

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    Re: "AO" What is capable of

    Quote Originally Posted by Mighty Curtain Messiah View Post
    I don't remember the fight so I can't argue on that matter but Sharingan helped Kakashi to complete his Chidori beause it alowed him to see his enemies.
    Right. Without the Sharingan Kakashi would hav never been able to master his Raikiri because of the tremendous amount of speed he couldn't counter his enemies properly so I wouldn't say that the Dojitsu had nothing to do with it at all. Ao will probably shed some light on the Byakugan as he has fought a hyuga and possibly has much info aside from the fact that he carries his own Byakugan and could have possibly unlovked some of its secrets like Kakashi's Sharingan.
     
         

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