[Theory] Madara, the smoked theory.

[The Seven-Scaled boy]

I was thinking about the whole jyubii thing and how madara's immortal and everything. And I thought something.

If madara's intention had always been to get the jyubii, why didn't he kept the nine-tails under control instead of attacking konoha and waited till he gathered all 8? so that way, it would have been easier for him to finish his moon-eye plan. That's kinda a hole in the plot. I even came to think, that if Madara always intended always intenteded to get jyubii why did he attacked knoha with the fox? that's when it hit me. WHAT IF MADARA WASN'T BEHIND THE FOX 16 YEARS AGO?

Then, how come he's immortal? he seems to be an ent with no precise physical structure he can even make himself dissapear. I though that perhaps madara wanted to destroy konoha with the fox when he failed and, feeling weak and about to die, he sold his soul to jyubii to attain immortality. Only that foul and evil chakra could give. After all, is the freaking 10-tailed beast. Nine-tails alone can do much of a strife.

So, what do you think.

Post-mini-smoked-theory: COULD MADARA BE A GENJUTSU?

[Excitè]

Oowwwwwwwww I Neva Thought Of That Rep!!!:confused:

[Regulus]

I like it and its creative

[The Seven-Scaled boy]

ty for the thanks guys =)

[NipponIchi]

well tobi was behind the attack which was confirmed by the forth and he does have a physical structure because he blocked suigetsu sword. but besides that i like it

[chopsy16]

Well not sure abt the Madara being immortal theory but there cud be 2 possible reasons for him not keeping kyuubi to himself..
1. At that time his main intentions were to get his revenge.. He was defeated in his fight with the 1st hokage.. lost his power and was seeking revenge for that.. he always had his hatred for konoha and how they treated Uchiha.. so he used kyuubi to destroy konoha
2. Also he might not have deciphered the tabled fully at that time.. the tablet which has been kept at the uchiha hideout Madara was talking about.. that tablet contains secrets written in code by Sage of six paths himself... the powerful the eye the more that can be decoded.. so Rinnegan - MS - sharigan.. may be he didnt know Nagato at that time.. we don't know how or when he met nagato.. but it may be possible he meet nagato at a later stage and he prob thought of using him to decipher more from the tablet..

so may be with the MS or EMS he cud only have deciphered to the point where it tells how to control kyuubi with it.. but with a Rinnegan you cud decipher more n tells about the whole jyuubi thing.. n after knowing the whole truth about jyuubi.. he mite have come up with this moon of the eye plan.. getting his powers back.. n controlling the whole world

[H3llScreaM]

Well not sure abt the Madara being immortal theory but there cud be 2 possible reasons for him not keeping kyuubi to himself..
1. At that time his main intentions were to get his revenge.. He was defeated in his fight with the 1st hokage.. lost his power and was seeking revenge for that.. he always had his hatred for konoha and how they treated Uchiha.. so he used kyuubi to destroy konoha
2. Also he might not have deciphered the tabled fully at that time.. the tablet which has been kept at the uchiha hideout Madara was talking about.. that tablet contains secrets written in code by Sage of six paths himself... the powerful the eye the more that can be decoded.. so Rinnegan - MS - sharigan.. may be he didnt know Nagato at that time.. we don't know how or when he met nagato.. but it may be possible he meet nagato at a later stage and he prob thought of using him to decipher more from the tablet..

so may be with the MS or EMS he cud only have deciphered to the point where it tells how to control kyuubi with it.. but with a Rinnegan you cud decipher more n tells about the whole jyuubi thing.. n after knowing the whole truth about jyuubi.. he mite have come up with this moon of the eye plan.. getting his powers back.. n controlling the whole world

You are right, but.. also.. this theory... it`s a good one.. . and i think.. we will find this in the future, when Madara will be near death... (hope it will not be soon :D)

[Shunsui]

sold his soul to jyubii ? how does it work?

[Orion]

I was thinking about the whole jyubii thing and how madara's immortal and everything. And I thought something.

If madara's intention had always been to get the jyubii, why didn't he kept the nine-tails under control instead of attacking konoha and waited till he gathered all 8? so that way, it would have been easier for him to finish his moon-eye plan. That's kinda a hole in the plot. I even came to think, that if Madara always intended always intenteded to get jyubii why did he attacked knoha with the fox? that's when it hit me. WHAT IF MADARA WASN'T BEHIND THE FOX 16 YEARS AGO?

Then, how come he's immortal? he seems to be an ent with no precise physical structure he can even make himself dissapear. I though that perhaps madara wanted to destroy konoha with the fox when he failed and, feeling weak and about to die, he sold his soul to jyubii to attain immortality. Only that foul and evil chakra could give. After all, is the freaking 10-tailed beast. Nine-tails alone can do much of a strife.

So, what do you think.

Post-mini-smoked-theory: COULD MADARA BE A GENJUTSU?

nice try dude. But lot of holes. Madara do have a physical structure. He stopped Suigetsus attck by one hand and in recent chapters, he carried Sasuke on his shoulder.
We can say Madara himself was unaware of the consequences of using Kyuubi. Lets say he did not know side effects. He came to know of Jyuubi after using Kyuubi twice rendering him weak.

[FatBACKATTACK]

Despite all we know, I feel it's way to early to know any of his past intentions with the Kyubi; That is if his intentions were more than just wanting to destroy Konoha.

As far as his physical form, he definitely has one; after all Sasuke lit him on fire when he saw his face. As far as attacks passing through him, I think it's just his sharingan to travel anywhere (including his self-created dimension). When attacks pass right through him I believe it's just him phasing out of that spot and back to it so quickly you didn't even know he moved.

My theory is that his eye is like Amaterasu (misspelled?) except when he looks somewhere he can transport himself there. It's probably so strong now that all he has to do is think of places he's been and he can transport there as well. True Goku instant transmission style!!

[Azaghast]

that is a thought which skipped ma mind ...dude lol it was awesome

[ringleader]

how could i miss that nice thinking

[The Seven-Scaled boy]

sold his soul to jyubii ? how does it work?

Think like this, only a huge amount of chakra can revive ppl, like nagato's or a very powerful tailed beast.

but now to completly cheat on death and making the use immune to physical attacks, that takes way to much chakra. but not only normal huma chakra, it need excessive and very evil chakra. so evil that corrupted somone as evil as madara. So he sold his soul to jyubii in order to attain immortality IMO because all of a sudden he was imortal? he needs a reason. and now, in order not to lose his soul, perhpas he want to revivie jyubii to keep his ass safe.

is way to smoke but has sense. I mean c'mon, Haku was a man!

ty for all thank you! =)

[waterwheel]

Maybe Tobi isn't actually Madara. Or maybe he hadn't thought of the plan when he attacked Konoha, but that still doesn't explain the immortality.

[Valkyria]

I said something similar to this as a joke in another thread. It's a good twist if Kishi used it but I'm not holding my breath. Maybe Sasuke and Karin will come in contact with a manifestation of the Juubi in his current location.

[Passion]

I was thinking about the whole jyubii thing and how madara's immortal and everything. And I thought something.

If madara's intention had always been to get the jyubii, why didn't he kept the nine-tails under control instead of attacking konoha and waited till he gathered all 8? so that way, it would have been easier for him to finish his moon-eye plan. That's kinda a hole in the plot. I even came to think, that if Madara always intended always intenteded to get jyubii why did he attacked knoha with the fox? that's when it hit me. WHAT IF MADARA WASN'T BEHIND THE FOX 16 YEARS AGO?

Then, how come he's immortal? he seems to be an ent with no precise physical structure he can even make himself dissapear. I though that perhaps madara wanted to destroy konoha with the fox when he failed and, feeling weak and about to die, he sold his soul to jyubii to attain immortality. Only that foul and evil chakra could give. After all, is the freaking 10-tailed beast. Nine-tails alone can do much of a strife.

So, what do you think.

Post-mini-smoked-theory: COULD MADARA BE A GENJUTSU?

Madara isn't genjutsu and the thing why he didn't capture 9 tailed 16 years ago was that he thought that With jinchuuriki kyuubi would be easier to catch - that's my theory.

[~Falcon~]

Speaking of madara his history is a totally mysterious. i remember that when Itachi wiped off the Uchiha clan and left Konoha haq met madara in the trees. Madara do have a physical structure. he uses time space jutsu to move around. what bugs me is his left part of the face.

[The Seven-Scaled boy]

Madara isn't genjutsu and the thing why he didn't capture 9 tailed 16 years ago was that he thought that With jinchuuriki kyuubi would be easier to catch - that's my theory.

In a chapter of the manga, Deidara clearly stats that the sanbi was an easy bijuu to defeat because there was no mind to control all of it's power. Then, how come kyubii will be easier to catch with naruto "controlling" it?